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gr4telicmate

13th Apr 2003, 02:31

Saw the 'mighty' F3 return to the UK when there is still a job to be done.

Bloody typical, they return home basked in glory when they didn't do anything towards the effort. On night one BOMBERS and TLAMs took out the Iraqi airfields and hence neutralized the threat from the Iz Air Force, after that fighters weren't needed.

People should not be under the illusion that the F3 helped in the achievement of Air Supremacy. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/2940231.stm

When did the F3 last shoot something down?

Unwell_Raptor

13th Apr 2003, 02:48

Not fair, GR4 thingy.

Everyone knows the limitations of the F3. It is a classic committee-designed aircraft. But the fact remains that those crews spent many hours in a hostile environment (and even the mighty US kit has suffered some losses) where they were away from their families, and at risk from enemy air defences as well as accidents.

Good on you lads. Nobody belittles the poor brave sods who died in unsuitable machines early in WW2, and in the same way we should be proud of the F3 crews.

gr4telicmate

13th Apr 2003, 03:01

Granted they did go across the border and fly some long missions. But I think you will find that they didn't actually achieve a great deal. They spent most of the time doing 'goal keeper' CAPs just north of the Saudi Border whilst the Yanks were CAPing near Baghdad.

You'll also find that the GR4 had to put up with all those things and more by flying into Missile Engagement Zones (MEZs) to employ their weapons, a much more dangerous job.

After night one they were basically oxygen stealing and getting in the way of the people who REALLY helped win the war - the Bombers.:ok:

Unwell_Raptor

13th Apr 2003, 04:14

That argument is at the level of my old school playground.

They are on the same side aren't they? If it had all been Air Defence with no need for mud moving, would the AD people have been entitled to sneer at the MMS?

Silly.

artyhug

13th Apr 2003, 04:58

Hey Gr4 mate, have you got a spoon?

moggie

13th Apr 2003, 05:01

At least the F3s didn't shoot down any allies - unlike our Allies!

Green Flash

13th Apr 2003, 05:18

Er, sorry GR4; you might have been glad to have them there if the Eye Racks had got a MiG or two off a highway strip. They also serve ..... ?

Fox-1

13th Apr 2003, 05:22

Dear GR4TELICMATE

'....When did the F3 last shoot something down?.....'

We seem to do fairly well against you lot in OTA C.

But seriously, if the level of posting here is limited to 'we're better than you', then I'll bite. The F3s in TELIC did a lot more than you're giving them credit for or even know about. The reason the Iraqi Air Force didn't come up was because if they had they'd have been overwhelmed by the coalition AD assets protecting your a$$es. In the build-up to Telic before the airfields went they had plenty of opportunity to come up but didn't. Have a guess why you pointless $hit-thrower.

I cannot fault the job the GR4 did during TELIC, because although I was there I don't know about everything you did and I therefore feel I am unable to comment. You should do the same or run the risk of letting everybody else know you're an ignorant c***.

'...On night one BOMBERS and TLAMs took out the Iraqi airfields and hence neutralized the threat from the Iz Air Force, after that fighters weren't needed...'

I think you'll find the Iraqis had aircraft capable of launching at all times and still do. Are you suggesting we should have let the GR4s go in on their own after the first night when they'd obviously hit EVERY aircraft and EVERY runway/road/taxiway and defeated the opposition Air Force single-handed?

SHUT UP! YOU'RE A DISGRACE TO THE INTELLIGENCE OF THE REST OF YOUR FLEET.

FOX 1 2 3

13th Apr 2003, 17:23

Dear GR4TELICMATE,

"Saw the 'mighty' F3 return to the UK when there is still a job to be done.

Bloody typical, they return home basked in glory when they didn't do anything towards the effort. On night one BOMBERS and TLAMs took out the Iraqi airfields and hence neutralized the threat from the Iz Air Force, after that fighters weren't needed.

People should not be under the illusion that the F3 helped in the achievement of Air Supremacy."

Point 1 - The F3 job finished over a week ago when it became obvious the air threat was eradicated. The first F-15s went home before the F3s.

Point 2 - On night 1 the DCA was already up there, well before the TLAMs and bombers went in - and when I say DCA, I include the F3s.

Point 3 - Coalition DCA (F-15s, F-3s and F-18s) achieved Air SUPERIORITY a few days before the first strikes went in - Air Supremacy came later.

Point 4 - At no time has the F3 manned a 'goal keeper' CAP on the border (there was no such thing) - the F3s CAP'd where the Eagles did, and I know for a fact that an F3 escorted a GR4 directly over Baghdad. Check the ACO and any ATO you like if you don't believe me.

So please get your facts right - you strike me as being (perhaps understandably) bitter and twisted about still being stuck in Ali Al while others have been sent home. However, your flatulant diatribe against fellow RAF aircrew (many who HAVE spent plenty of time in the SuperMEZ ID'ing what turned out to be friendlies) is a disgrace. Unlike Fox-1, I don't regard you as a 'disgrace to the intelligence of the rest of your fleet' - I suspect the rest of the GR4 fleet consider you a pathetic little c**t just as we do. I look forward to meeting you in OTA C, or preferably in a bar somewhere so I can punch your lights out. I respect your buddies - you, I hold in contempt.

Nonetheless, fly safe you ignorant ****.

SphereSpredda

13th Apr 2003, 17:55

GR4telicmate - I am neither an F3 nor a GR4 mate, but I have been a single-seat fast-jet mate for several decades. Apart from fun banter in the bar, I have never heard such blatant ****e from someone who should know better. I agree with all of the other posters giving you a hard time and you should be ashamed of your pi$$-poor attitude to colleagues who do and have done a fine job. Try to remember that everyone has a place and a job to do in the RAF and we are all on the same side --- except perhaps you!!! Now grow up!

PS: - if this is a wind up then I bit! And I always will when faced by such utter claptrap!

saudipc-9

13th Apr 2003, 20:39

FOX 1 2 3,
PM me, I'm just up the road in RIY. If they let you off the base I can arrange for a nights refreshments:ok:

stillin1

13th Apr 2003, 22:20

GR4 T'mate.

How can one with such little knowlwdge, such a big mouth and so little grace have the nerve to share oxygen with the rest of us?Having spent dozens of hours over Iraq, never on goalie cap and always prepared to go "high risk" for your mates, our collegues and in all probability YOU I can only say that I would do it again, any time.
However if I ever meet you in the bar I will happily drop you. You are a disgrace to your service. I am ashamed to serve with you.

Jackonicko

14th Apr 2003, 10:24

Dunno if they actually needed to do it during Telic, but weren't the F3s standing by to contribute to another, more frightening (or at least more alarming) role? ;)

stillin1

14th Apr 2003, 13:47

J
Nice fishing!:cool:

Jackonicko

14th Apr 2003, 17:37

I don't know what you mean. Or what I mean. Plus ca change.....

Surly Bondslipper

14th Apr 2003, 20:19

This entire fracas must be blamed on Tony Draper, typical, ring the doorbell and run like hell...;)

gr4telicmate

14th Apr 2003, 23:09

Obvioulsy touched a raw nerve there! :D

If I'd spent numerous hours patrolling sausage side without a huge amout to do I'd be pretty annoyed! :E

As for carrying ALARMS.....I'm afraid it was a case of too little to late. Besides your if performance in Resinate was anything to go by (Jettisioning all your stores and trying to OLF in southern Iraq for 20 minutes ring any bells?) I wouldn't trust you to carry them! I'm assured they were good fun to poop off though! :ok:

As I cast my line into the water waiting for a nibble............

Sideshow Bob

14th Apr 2003, 23:34

Lets face it F3 boys, your boss did you no favours with that self important, supremist attitude e-mail that he sent to the rest of the det here at secret air base no1. If you didn't spend most of your time looking down your nose at the rest of the aircrew, you wouldn't get so much stick.

Woff1965

14th Apr 2003, 23:57

Anyone want to place a copy of said e-mail in the public domain?

Just in the interests of historical accuracy.

Flatus Veteranus

15th Apr 2003, 02:30

This all very entertaning and redolent of the flak flying around between the Vs and the fighters after Musketeer (Suez). At least all the FJs semed to get into theatre OK - to contradict the idiot journo in the Torygraph who said that they were stuck in Cyprus and could not get overflight clearance to make it to Kuwait. That was seized on, of course, by sundry retired FAA codgers who wrote letters demanding a fleet of bloody great carriers and the takeover of the RAF by the RN. In fact I seem to remember a predictable thread along those lines appearing in this hallowed forum. :O

Paddy Don't Surf

15th Apr 2003, 04:14

I heard they had to come home cos they need all the 5 star hotels in that part of the world for retired Iraqi generals.

Mind you, must have been hell, heard that some of them asked for the air con to be turned down cos it got too cold.

:rolleyes:

FJC

15th Apr 2003, 04:20

As an impartial observer I think the whole thread is degeneating into a 'my-plane's-better-than-yours' argument.

The GR4 is obviously the queen of the skies with the best aircrew the RAF has to offer (who weren't good enough to go AD and have a huge chip on their shoulder to show for it!) - or is that just the GR4telicmate ****?

Yes, they're obviously very very brave and will bore you with tales of daring-do should you have the misfortune to speak to one in the bar - or is that just the GR4telicmate ****?

Yes, their $hit-throwing operations are the pride of the RAF - or is that just the GR4telicmate ****?

Yes, their grammar and punctuation is second-to-none and an obvious example of somebody who's been on the jet for one Det and think they're the bees knees because they've dropped on a static target WITHOUT AN AIR THREAT- or is that just the GR4telicmate ****?

Just a question.

artyhug

15th Apr 2003, 17:21

Dude does the phrase glass houses ring any bells? Perhaps you should speak to some of your alledged compadres about accidently jettisoning Aim 9's when going for the tanks or deciding not to react too vigorously to a spike in case you spill your coffee only to watch two Goa's sail not so serenely past......

gr4telicmate

15th Apr 2003, 23:38

Good banter chaps, however..........

Are you just jealous that we fired off the first AIM-9L in Iraq? Correct me if I'm wrong but the Tornado F3 has never fired a weapon at anyone in anger at anytime!:}

If I spent my entire career flogging around the skies "playing pretend" and had nothing to show for it I'd be off to the airlines.

Did anyone mention the fact that one of the returning jets to Leuchars ran out of fuel and diverted into Marham? (Can't wait for a response to that one!)

At the end of the day it's just a laugh and anyone that has taken this banter to heart needs to have a serious word with themselves!!! :ok:

See you in OTA C when we bring the Swing Winged Messenger of Death home.

Fox-1

16th Apr 2003, 05:05

GR4telicc*nt wrote

'...Did anyone mention the fact that one of the returning jets to Leuchars ran out of fuel and diverted into Marham?...'

SHOCK HORROR, HOLD THE FRONT PAGE. Tornado F3 burns more gas with flap failure from Akrotiri and needs more gas. What would you have done then? Continued till you flamed out then ejected? Get the facts straight before you sling $hit or you'll look like a complete **** (it might be too late already!)

Anyway, let's not forget you started this rant because the GR4 wasn't getting enough publicity and the F3 got some good press. Good to see Tony Blair up at Leuchars today meeting the brave AD boys who helped keep Saddam's fighters off your sorry a$$es. Much as I wouldn't like to see you guys get to meet one for real, I'd like to see your best gameplan against a Mirage F1 or Mig21 when it mattered. How would a fully laden underpowered 'Swing Winged Messenger of Death' rate against a Mig29? :{ . Meat on the street!

ftrplt

16th Apr 2003, 06:03

Fox 1, would luv to see how an F3 would rate against a MIG-29:O

MarkD

16th Apr 2003, 08:58

What was the 9L aimed at?

Wholigan

16th Apr 2003, 12:09

Hmmmm - "Swing-Winged Messenger of Death" ............ thinks ....... guess he must mean the F14 then! ;) :E

Fox-1

16th Apr 2003, 20:02

ftrplt

you're right about the F3, but I think a Mig29 would be fairly easy to defeat BVR with its poor radar, the point is the GR4 doesn't have a BVR capability. :{

MarkD

I think the 9L was fired at the mystical 'SWITCH PIGS' that seem to haunt the GR1s/4s over the desert!!! :ok:

The Cook

17th Apr 2003, 05:42

Please accept an apology on behalf of the GR4 fleet in situ. I think all players did a fine job, especially the CJ that shot back at a Patriot. However, the sooner they fit RAPTOR to the F3 the better!:cool:

gr4telicmate

17th Apr 2003, 05:55

Sure the GR4 doesn't have a BVR capability (it's a BOMBER) but the F3 one is hardly credible! The Yanks would certainly wouldn't let it be used in Iraq because it lacks the necessary interrogation equipment. And why would they use the F3 with it's Sky SLUG or an AMRAAM with only a limited capability?

As for performance, I think that a GR4 in the same configuration as an F3 would be fairly even. Granted it does have slightly less thrust but it weighs less.

You boys do a good job making a fighter out of a bomber when history has shown that it only works the other way round e.g. F1-11, F-4, F-15. Who are you going to beat in ACM when the Italians retire the Starfighter?

soddim

17th Apr 2003, 06:56

gr4telicmate - maybe the F3 is not the world's greatest fighter but I have no doubt that you would not take it on live armed in your bomber. If you cannot walk the walk I suggest you stop the talk.

TC27

17th Apr 2003, 07:46

Roll on the Typhoon.

soddim

17th Apr 2003, 17:19

I agree TC27. In the meantime no doubt the F3 crews will continue to do an outstanding job with the kit they have - kit that is by no means outstanding but enables well trained professionals to hold their own in most scenarios. It would be nice to have the benefit of better engine and airframe performance but until Typhoon arrives in service the F3 crews will have to rely on their ability.

Mongul Flier

22nd Apr 2003, 23:41

GR4telic-chimp - My god your ignorance continues ....... the F3 hasn't had AMRAAM for years. You are a c*ck aren't you?

tony draper

23rd Apr 2003, 00:00

The French are very upset, the Poles are buying F16s with the money they got from the EU.

tee hee, tee hee,:rolleyes:

NoseGunner

24th Apr 2003, 04:04

Excellent. As previously stated - a thread in PPRuNe that we can all bite on - just like the old days!

Tempting though it is to let the muds get comfy I've just got to say:
F3 v Mig 29. I'll take an F3. If you disagree then I suggest you've been reading too many glossy brochures. Everything is better in the F3 except turn performance. So just don't merge having forgotten to fire any of your 8 rockets.
Muds seem to think that turn performance is everything rather than just one facet in an intercept that probably finished some time ago.

As for GR4 v F3:
I nearly fell off my chair laughing (or was that a pedestal?)
;)
Fly safe

The mother alligator

24th Apr 2003, 07:03

I can't believe the attitude of some people. It upsets me to see such ignorance in the force that I am longing to join.

luke77

24th Apr 2003, 09:26

I can`t either!

GR4whateveryoursillyaddressis you are a shame to what should be a proud unified team (bombers and fighters) on a public forum!
Luke77
Ex F3
Done Iraq

PS

You read like a first tourist on on rough-ride auto-mouth

saudipc-9

24th Apr 2003, 15:49

alligator,
Good lord man, don't worry about what you are reading here. It is basically someone having some fun stirring the pot. Rather well I might add.
I'm surprized anyone would admit to flying the "Tomato":D :}

(Saudipc-9 runs for cover expecting hostile incoming posts)

Angry Lizard

24th Apr 2003, 16:15

Isn't this argument null and void as surely the "Most powerful fighters in the RAF operate on the ground" :D

Per Ardua

PS ALL did a good job

PPS For flips sake keep personal details out of the media even when you are home and on the pan. I know I bang on about it but you guys may have to return, and if OUR database now includes children's/wives details you can bet your bottom dollar that other less gentle organisations do too. I am not a bloke who blindly follows rules and certainly agree that some are made to be broken but please have a thought and think on.

The Angry Lizard

scarab

25th Apr 2003, 04:48

gr4telicmate

You will no doubt be highly amused to hear that a group of senior officers at MOD were today discussing your posts on this thread, who you might be, whether or not the feds have the technology to track you down and if so, whether or not to instigate charge proceedings. Amusingly enough, the latter course of action was suggested by a GR4 mate. Although you do put the "f" into ****, and although it would be amusing to let you stew on this for a while, nobody would want you to become distracted to the point of being (even more of) a flight safety hazard - you still have a very dangerous job to do and we all wish for your safe return; so relax, the Air Defenders in the group managed to talk the GR4 mate out it and nothing is to be done . . .
From the sounds of things you'd be far better off spending your free time with your head in the books, or even reading a quality daily newspaper, than indulging in pathetic, ill-informed banter on the Internet. However, if you must be such an arse, do think very carefully about what you say in a public forum . . . . and no, I won't be drawn on exactly which one of the many offensive things you have said, has caused so much offence.

Good man!

(oh, if you're not a serving member of the Armed Forces, then do please disregard - byee!)

Zoom

25th Apr 2003, 07:31

Soddim's second post on page 3 is valid and can actually be applied to most of the kit in all of our Services. We have always been disadvantaged by equipment that is not the latest, not the best and not the most reliable, but our servicemen have still managed to get the best out of it anyway in every theatre over the many decades. It all boils down to character and training, and that is where we excel.

(Exit to sound of the band striking up Land of Hope and Glory)

saudipc-9

25th Apr 2003, 17:42

whether or not to instigate charge proceedings

scarab,
Exactly what would the charges be? Having read through gr4telicmate's posts, there is nothing there that is sensitive. Perhaps sensitive to someone's feelings but hardly worthy of charges.
If it is true (which I doubt) how the hell did you know about it. Aren't "you" leaking information about private conversations within the MOD? I would have thought that senior officers had better things to do than to talk about what they read on PPrune.
What an absolute load of bollocks!!

Angry Lizard

25th Apr 2003, 19:45

Quite disappointed that the aircrew fraternity passed up a fine opportunity for some "Rock" comments. Please bring me back to normality with some fine banter as I am getting sick of the tame Joint Services stuff in my office.

Many thanks in advance for your cooperation.

The Lizard

StopStart

26th Apr 2003, 02:15

Haven't posted on here for ages but I must just say this is all marvellous, old-style Pprunery.

GR4Telic thingy - you be careful now...you apparently have the massed forces of British Military Intelligence after you now.

Suggest you get your username tattooed on your forehead and publish your service number on here. They'll never find you then.....

:ok:

Angry Lizard

26th Apr 2003, 07:20

StopStart; iss gud as ve haff vays off making him talk!

Stray Fin

29th Apr 2003, 04:15

Monsieur Lizard, I believe you are trying to add another dimension to this thread: so will emergency banter do?
If so, go drown in a vat of your own filth you ground grovelling Ape.

Angry Lizard

29th Apr 2003, 09:23

Fin, a fair attempt but could do better. Possibly a mention that I should have tried harder at school? Thanks anyway, I now feel partially realigned to decent banter and am happy to attend the Purple Puzzle Palace tomorrow.

Good to see you recognise the importance of my position by capitalising the "A" !!

Per Ardua:D

DummyRun

29th Apr 2003, 19:47

Stopstart,

Marvellous to hear from you again old boy, Burj al Arab again eh, tough war what! going back soon?, mine's a Bolly cheers!!;)

XS999

30th Apr 2003, 13:52

scarab

Reference your comment about "senior officers" at MOD considering trying to work out who gr4telicmate is, and charging him for his posts here on pprune. Just a few thoughts of mine.

First of all was this supposed to frighten or intimidate gr4telicmate? Or is it just an example of the short sightedness of our "senior officers" with their knee jerk reaction! If I were him my reply might be along the lines of "bring it on"! If he were charged I am sure he could elect to go to court martial, and get somebody like that nice Mr G Blades to defend him. I am sure he would get off easily, and end up making the "senior officers" look like tw*ts! Then again he could get the media involved, reporting on his court martial. Headlines like "Vengeful MOD charges stressed out Gulf War Hero" spring to mind. Along with comments like "is this any way to treat our returning heros"! A popular theme with the press at the moment.

The press might also pick up on the lack of trauma conselling avaiable to MOD personel (after all gr4telicmate must have experienced traumatic events!!) when firemen ambulance workers etc get it routinely (yes I know the MOD no doubt have a few counsellours retained on strength - but if you go to your MO with that sort of problem you are grounded and the word "nutter" is stamped on your file - so who does?)

No, trying to charge him could open up a whole can of words. I am afraid it also shows the lack of imagination of many of our senior officers. When in doubt resort to a big stick. How about the carrot alternative? Find out who gr4telicmate is, promote him and offer him the overseas posting of his choice provided he writes something on the thread to the effect that he has visited an F3 base and flown with them. He takes back everything he said, they are very professional, doing a great job with the kick they have, blah, blah, blah.. you get the drift! Problem solved so much more easily and cleanly!

So which approach will the RAF adopt, carrot or stick? Probably neither. In the RAF in which I serve they will probably find out who he is and slip the knife in quietly! A nice posting to a groundschool instructor slot somewhere, OIC birdscaring Saxa Vord etc, etc.

P.S You may have noticed my spelling is appalling, and no doubt there are typo's. In the hot and sandy place I am in computer time is limited, therefore this has been a bit rushed. Off to play "I spy" with the lads. Funny how often s comes up, sky, sun, sand......

Flap62

1st May 2003, 17:03

Scarab - your post is probably the most worthless, pathetic, self-inflating, pompous drivel I have ever had the misfortune to read. Oh aren't you important listening to "senior officers" chatting - that must mean you are really close to the centre of power. Oh aren't we all scared in case we say something you don't like in case you send your cyber trakers after us. Please, please don't report us to the banter police - you snivelling weasel.

This post is interesting not because of the original topic but because of the reaction of the AD brigade. Lots of abuse and foul language and, oh, how could I forget "dropping him in a bar" - well that's mature then!

Telicmate simply stated what a great many people have seen and know. Yes this may have been one of the first times that the environment has been benign enough to allow the F3 sausageside and no-one denies that they played a part but lets be realistic. There was virtually no threat from red air and this was know well before game-on. There was a very limited threat from SAMs because the capability has been so degraded by muds over the last few years. Super-MEZ my hairy ball-bag. The amount of vitriol is as a direct result of the accuracy of the posts of telicmate - we know you're worthless, the Yanks know you're worthless, but what really hurts is that you know you're worthless.

solotk

1st May 2003, 19:11

Weird

On the other means, banter and constructive criticism is encouraged. On this, a CIVILIAN means, a CAS mate goes fangs out teasing the Air Gods, and all of a sudden, it's "Your hat, my office, you better phone Ryan Air"

Pathetic

The ugly wives thread was the subject of heated debate on the grounds of taste, but no one is about to persecute Northern Monkey over it. If their Airships have been indeed reading this thread, I would think they would be able to separate banter from OPSEC breaches.

Chill out people, GR4 posted, the Fighter boys bit. It would have been very very funny, if the F3 guys had given as good as they got. Instead, it descended into real world threats.

Well, that's going to encourage free and easy unwinding on this means now isn't it? We've already said we don't want or need a moderator, and Danny sorted it.

Now it appears Big Brother is watching. Well done Scarab, I've no doubt, if their Airships are aware of GR4's feelings on the AD contribution to Telic, it's because you told them.

gr4telichero

2nd May 2003, 06:55

Hi guys, returning hero here. I think things have gone a little bit over the top really, at the end of the day everybody knows that the F3 is manned by the dross that managed to scrape through the training system. Indeed, blokes who are chopped on the GR4 often get sent to the F3 and go on to be very successful, strange that on my course the opposite applied, but all the OCU instructors assure me that it was a one off. Anyway enough of my failings, oops sorry I didn't mean that I fly the GR4 so I don't have any, least that's what all the boys say. Strange though that we spend so much time slagging off the F3, I mean given that they were the guys we dragged through training you'd think we'd just ignore them as an irrelevance unworthy of comment.........bit like the F3 boys treat us actually. By the way, can we stop slagging off Senior Officers, given the competition in the GR4 (hero) Force I'm starting to fancy my chances, after all history has shown that it's easy to be above average when you work with larry low average, under achieving, self important, tossers, who are pre-occupied with throwing mud at their betters.

Jackonicko

2nd May 2003, 07:19

I'm astonished that no-one has pointed out that "if you were good enough you'd be single-seat"........ or are the Harrier boys out of breath and the Jag mates keeping their heads down, hoping against hope that the Jag won't be cut in the inevitable round of post Telic defence cuts?

Not me of course. I know I wouldn't be sharp enough for any frontline type, tired old hack that I am.....

gr4telichero

2nd May 2003, 16:18

Jackonicko, the single seat boys haven't got involved for the simple reason that they know they are the best and we know they are the best. You would only start a purile thread like this if you're small 2 dimensional brain thought you might have found an angle that would drag you from the bottom of the fast jet pecking order, isn't that right GR4Telicboy?

StopStart

2nd May 2003, 16:31

Marvellous stuff. Keep it up chaps.
As bottom feeding truckie scum I wouldn't dream of commenting on the relative merits of whatever it is you're talking about. What on earth is a GR4?

DummyRun
The war has been tough as you suggest. Managed 4 days at home before being sent back here. If I was a brave jet hero I'd get to live in a tent or something. Sadly I've been forced back into this splendid hotel and have been given another pile of cash to burn/urinate up the wall :cool:

It's not Bolly, it's Dom Perignon and at very competitive prices too..... :hmm:

Flap62

2nd May 2003, 20:02

By the way,

As far as the F3 is concerned, is it true that DCA stands for Doha Cap Aircraft?

I think we should be told!

gr4telichero

2nd May 2003, 20:10

DCA actually stands for Defending Crap Aviators (i.e. YOU)

Stray Fin

3rd May 2003, 03:20

GR4telichero. Oh dear.
You’d think that if you were going to the effort of registering a new name for the purpose of the thread you’d make it amusing. Oh, is that a clever play on GR4telicmate’s alias? Yeah, good one. If GR4mate is the spotty boil on the a*se of the Tonka fleet, I’d guess you are the F3 equivalent.
I really enjoyed your rantings and particularly your delusions of grandeur. I am a two-seat mate and I didn’t go single seats because I wasn’t good enough. But I certainly don’t remember any prospective F3 mate being any higher up the food chain at Valley. All the boys I know in your fleet (assuming you are a real interceptor pilot) are good blokes who wouldn’t hesitate to get in the thick of it given the chance, as shown by the crew who stood in as a wingman for one of our pushes to Baghdad.
You, however, are not.