pablo
9th Apr 2003, 18:27
Hola a tod@s!
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Anonymous
Re: low cost
Sun Apr 6 14:15:24 2003
62.37.157.33
Hola a tod@s, recientemente ryanair ha empezado a volar a Espana os pego un post que aparecio en radiocockpit.com a ver que os parece.
020617. REPORT ABOUT RYANAIR.
We are a group of pilots employed by Ryanair in Ireland who are tired and
scared of the way this company is being run and operated. We have now made a
decision to go out and let the public know of the terrible circumstances
that governs within this airline! (If we at all should call this an
airline?)
The following report is not made to harm ANY persons as revenge etc. but
simply to let the public and the respective authorities in the countries
this company is using the airspace & facilities to know WHAT they are or
will be dealing with!
We do prefer at this stage to be totally anonymous as the job market for
pilots at the moment is a bit tight and also considering the non-moral &
ethic reactions this company is capable to perform against us if our names
comes up!
We must emphasize that these conditions that is about to be described IS NOT
COMMON among SERIOUS airlines and that passengers should NOT be afraid to
travel with respective charter & regular airlines in the futures! These
terrible conditions are only to be found in some of the companies that
SOLELY operates on the low cost principle and therefore wants to save money
in ANY WAY & to ANY PRICE!!
As professional airline pilots we do feel the responsibility to let you all
know the following facts about RYANAIR:
ILLEGAL DRUG ABUSE AMONG FLYING PERSONNEL.
In February 2002, 4-6 cabin-crew with base in Hahn, Germany were caught
there while they where using illegal drugs in their hotel room by a Ryanair
supervisor. 6 other cabin-crews where also after this investigated by
Ryanair for the same reason. As far as we know was this NEVER reported to
any official authority!!
ILLEGAL DRUGS ONBOARD AN AIRCRAFT.
In March 2002 illegal drugs was found onboard one of the company's airplanes
by a coincidence by one of the cabin-crews while this airplane was airborne.
The drug was cannabis and concealed in a passengers bag.
The most horrible about this is that this bag had been onboard the aircraft
for 24 hours without ANYBODY had discovered it taken into consideration that
the cabin-crews ALWAYS are obligated to do a "security check" of the entire
cabin before EVERY flight!! THIS COULD EASILY HAVE BEEN A BOMB!! The reason
for why this happened is VERY simple: RYANAIR wants to save money and has
therefore made the turnarounds between each flight to be MAXIMUM ONLY 25
MINUTES! This does NOT give the crews enough time to do their job
satisfactory as they also VERY OFTEN are dead tired as they are forced to
work to much! Second reason is that by offering such low cost tickets this
airline will receive a LOT of passengers who belongs in the category
"criminals, half-criminals, drug addicts/abusers & persons with severe
behavior problems" as these category usually cannot afford the price of a
regular airline-ticket. As the Schengen-Deal became valid these persons also
have the opportunity to travel between the countries without being checked
for passports or luggage!!
DRUNK CAPTAINS.
At the base in Hahn, Germany has several young First Officers who are very
inexperienced, scared of losing their job and Ryanairs non-ethic & none
moral reaction towards them self & with only 300-400 flying hours told other
Captains that they have flown with the Base Captain in Hahn & other Captains
out of this base who have showed up for flying duty & and performed this
duties under influence &smelling alcohol after a nights party with just 2-3
hours sleep!
SICK PILOTS & CABIN-CREWS.
Both pilots & cabin-crews are performing their duties when they are very ill
because they do not dear to call in sick as Ryanair fires them directly if
they are (in Ryanairs eyes!) absent too much from work just because of this
reason!! Flying personnel has been fired after they have been absent from
work only a few days!
This results also in extremely low safety factor as these pilots & cabin
crews often are so sick when they are flying that their attention and
concentration is below ANY standard.
ILLEGAL PERSONNEL WITHOUT VISAS.
In Hahn, Germany did Ryanair station several Eastern-European pilots to work
who they new did not have any visa for Germany. These illegal personnel
where working in Germany from February 2002 until at least May 2002
NO MEAL-BREAKES.
The working hours are so long and hard (pilots are flying 100:00 hours block
in 28 days the whole time!)& the turnarounds between the flights so short
(maximum 25 minutes!) that many of the cabin-crews do not have time to eat,
and if they got some time they are forced to either stay and eat their food
or sit on the floor in the pantry like dogs AS THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SIT
DOWN!
THE FEAR OF WORKERS UNIONS.
A pilots union or other unions does not exist in Ryanair. If somebody tries
to start such a union will they be fired immediately.
In the last 7-8 months the company has "employed" very young and
inexperienced copilots mostly from Holland. These pilots has paid their own
Boeing 737 type rating and have huge bank loans! They had of course very
little chance to get a job in an airline after the period of 11th of
September 2001. Ryanair saw of course this and offered these persons a
position where they had to sign a letter that they would NOT be a member of
any pilot-union as long as they worked for Ryanair!
They are also working for a such low salary (if we can call it a salary!)
that it is categorized slavery.
PSYCHOPATIC LEADERSHIP & ATHMOSPHERE.
Ryanair Administrator, Mr. O'Leary has every monday a meeting in the company
's head quarter in Dublin with his sub-administrators. During this meetings
Mr. O'Leary behaves very violent & abusive and physically throws bottles and
chairs on the other individuals in the meeting-room!
This psychopatic tendencies by O'Leary goes like a red tread trough the
company as the WHOLE system is run on the concept MANAGEMENT BY FEAR!! With
other words is this company run by threatening and scaring their employees
to do what the company tells them to do, IF NOT...
This results in that EVERYBODY are watching and reporting everybody, which
again results in that operating personnel do work under constantly fear of
saying something wrong or doing the smallest mistake!!
AS LITTLE FUEL AS POSSIBLE.
At the base in Stansted the Captains are NOT allowed to land with more than
3400kg of fuel in the tanks after a round trip to an other destination by
the Base Captain. If it is discovered that the airplane has landed with more
than the above described amount of fuel, the captain onboard receives a
"warning letter" there it stays that this has been notified. If this Captain
receives 3 letters like this he is subject to be fired!!!
LACKING SALARIES & SECTOR PAYMENTS.
Ryanair is constantly behind with the payment of salaries & sector payment
to the flying personnel! EVERY month there are many pilots & cabin-crews who
are subjects to this! The payments are always LESS than they should be &
NEVER opposite!? Other expenses that employees personally has paid out on
behalf of Ryanair & as following the company shall pay back to their
employees asap. is delayed obviously in the hope that these poor persons
shall give up the hard work of getting this money back or simply forget it!!
INCOME TAXES ARE FORCED TO BE PAYED IN IRELAND.
A lot of flying personnel is forced by Ryanair to pay their income tax to
Ireland even if they are based and living in Germany Belgium, England etc.
It seems that Ryanair has bargained a deal with the Irish Authorities
"underneath the table" that in order to be allowed to operate in that
criminal manner they are doing without any questions the Irish State is
receiving tax money from Ryanair's employees! This is economical crime and
should also be investigated by EU and the respective countries involved!!
DIFFERENT SALARIES AMONG PERSONNEL.
Since the 11th of September 2001 Ryanair has employed several pilots, cabin
crews and other personnel and has given them VERY low salaries compared to
those who was employed before this date!
This results in the fact that for instance Captains are flying with copilots
who are earning/receiving up to 30% more salary than the COMMANDER OF THE
AIRCRAFT???!!!
SAVING MONEY TO ANY COST & IN ANY WAY.
The company is so short of personnel, both flying & non-flying personnel,
just so they can save money, that EVERYBODY are constantly exhausted, tired
& and in a bad mood, which again results in a constant rate of failure to
perform the duties correctly among these persons!!
Ryanair employs personnel who are very young, inexperienced & and with
extremely low salaries without giving them the proper training & time to
perform their duty correct! These persons are VERY often set into sub-
administrative positions where they OF COURSE are doing a lot of mistakes
and again fired because of this! New inexperienced persons are set to do the
same jobs & the same is happening again!! ALL OF THIS IN ORDER TO SAVE
MONEY!!???
RYANAIR IS DESTROYING THE AVIATION MARKET.
Ryanair's criminal business structure creates misery and destroys the whole
aviation market if this company is not stopped! The sequence of the
destruction will most likely look like this
- Ryanair is creating a destructive and negative trend there highly educated
pilots & other personnel with a lot of responsibility and hard work hanging
on their shoulders are under-payed and degraded status vice which again
results in lower ambitions and moral among effected persons & with this
comes REDUCED SAFETY IN THE AIR!!!
Other airlines and establishments are losing a lot of money,
personnel is forced to quit their jobs because the airlines cannot afford to
have them employed,
families do get into financial difficulties and might end up losing their
homes etc.
We do hope with the cooperation of the media, different unions and Official
Authorities to put an end to Ryanairs destructive operations once and for
all!!
Yours sincerely
angry & frightened Ryanair pilots.
este post lo corté de www.pilotosdeiberia.com. Me pareció conveniente pegarlo aqu'. Se trata de una queja de algunos pilotos de Ryanair acerca de las condiciones en qué está operando la compañ'a.
SALUDOS
Tablón de Anuncios de pilotos
Anonymous
Re: low cost
Sun Apr 6 14:15:24 2003
62.37.157.33
Hola a tod@s, recientemente ryanair ha empezado a volar a Espana os pego un post que aparecio en radiocockpit.com a ver que os parece.
020617. REPORT ABOUT RYANAIR.
We are a group of pilots employed by Ryanair in Ireland who are tired and
scared of the way this company is being run and operated. We have now made a
decision to go out and let the public know of the terrible circumstances
that governs within this airline! (If we at all should call this an
airline?)
The following report is not made to harm ANY persons as revenge etc. but
simply to let the public and the respective authorities in the countries
this company is using the airspace & facilities to know WHAT they are or
will be dealing with!
We do prefer at this stage to be totally anonymous as the job market for
pilots at the moment is a bit tight and also considering the non-moral &
ethic reactions this company is capable to perform against us if our names
comes up!
We must emphasize that these conditions that is about to be described IS NOT
COMMON among SERIOUS airlines and that passengers should NOT be afraid to
travel with respective charter & regular airlines in the futures! These
terrible conditions are only to be found in some of the companies that
SOLELY operates on the low cost principle and therefore wants to save money
in ANY WAY & to ANY PRICE!!
As professional airline pilots we do feel the responsibility to let you all
know the following facts about RYANAIR:
ILLEGAL DRUG ABUSE AMONG FLYING PERSONNEL.
In February 2002, 4-6 cabin-crew with base in Hahn, Germany were caught
there while they where using illegal drugs in their hotel room by a Ryanair
supervisor. 6 other cabin-crews where also after this investigated by
Ryanair for the same reason. As far as we know was this NEVER reported to
any official authority!!
ILLEGAL DRUGS ONBOARD AN AIRCRAFT.
In March 2002 illegal drugs was found onboard one of the company's airplanes
by a coincidence by one of the cabin-crews while this airplane was airborne.
The drug was cannabis and concealed in a passengers bag.
The most horrible about this is that this bag had been onboard the aircraft
for 24 hours without ANYBODY had discovered it taken into consideration that
the cabin-crews ALWAYS are obligated to do a "security check" of the entire
cabin before EVERY flight!! THIS COULD EASILY HAVE BEEN A BOMB!! The reason
for why this happened is VERY simple: RYANAIR wants to save money and has
therefore made the turnarounds between each flight to be MAXIMUM ONLY 25
MINUTES! This does NOT give the crews enough time to do their job
satisfactory as they also VERY OFTEN are dead tired as they are forced to
work to much! Second reason is that by offering such low cost tickets this
airline will receive a LOT of passengers who belongs in the category
"criminals, half-criminals, drug addicts/abusers & persons with severe
behavior problems" as these category usually cannot afford the price of a
regular airline-ticket. As the Schengen-Deal became valid these persons also
have the opportunity to travel between the countries without being checked
for passports or luggage!!
DRUNK CAPTAINS.
At the base in Hahn, Germany has several young First Officers who are very
inexperienced, scared of losing their job and Ryanairs non-ethic & none
moral reaction towards them self & with only 300-400 flying hours told other
Captains that they have flown with the Base Captain in Hahn & other Captains
out of this base who have showed up for flying duty & and performed this
duties under influence &smelling alcohol after a nights party with just 2-3
hours sleep!
SICK PILOTS & CABIN-CREWS.
Both pilots & cabin-crews are performing their duties when they are very ill
because they do not dear to call in sick as Ryanair fires them directly if
they are (in Ryanairs eyes!) absent too much from work just because of this
reason!! Flying personnel has been fired after they have been absent from
work only a few days!
This results also in extremely low safety factor as these pilots & cabin
crews often are so sick when they are flying that their attention and
concentration is below ANY standard.
ILLEGAL PERSONNEL WITHOUT VISAS.
In Hahn, Germany did Ryanair station several Eastern-European pilots to work
who they new did not have any visa for Germany. These illegal personnel
where working in Germany from February 2002 until at least May 2002
NO MEAL-BREAKES.
The working hours are so long and hard (pilots are flying 100:00 hours block
in 28 days the whole time!)& the turnarounds between the flights so short
(maximum 25 minutes!) that many of the cabin-crews do not have time to eat,
and if they got some time they are forced to either stay and eat their food
or sit on the floor in the pantry like dogs AS THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SIT
DOWN!
THE FEAR OF WORKERS UNIONS.
A pilots union or other unions does not exist in Ryanair. If somebody tries
to start such a union will they be fired immediately.
In the last 7-8 months the company has "employed" very young and
inexperienced copilots mostly from Holland. These pilots has paid their own
Boeing 737 type rating and have huge bank loans! They had of course very
little chance to get a job in an airline after the period of 11th of
September 2001. Ryanair saw of course this and offered these persons a
position where they had to sign a letter that they would NOT be a member of
any pilot-union as long as they worked for Ryanair!
They are also working for a such low salary (if we can call it a salary!)
that it is categorized slavery.
PSYCHOPATIC LEADERSHIP & ATHMOSPHERE.
Ryanair Administrator, Mr. O'Leary has every monday a meeting in the company
's head quarter in Dublin with his sub-administrators. During this meetings
Mr. O'Leary behaves very violent & abusive and physically throws bottles and
chairs on the other individuals in the meeting-room!
This psychopatic tendencies by O'Leary goes like a red tread trough the
company as the WHOLE system is run on the concept MANAGEMENT BY FEAR!! With
other words is this company run by threatening and scaring their employees
to do what the company tells them to do, IF NOT...
This results in that EVERYBODY are watching and reporting everybody, which
again results in that operating personnel do work under constantly fear of
saying something wrong or doing the smallest mistake!!
AS LITTLE FUEL AS POSSIBLE.
At the base in Stansted the Captains are NOT allowed to land with more than
3400kg of fuel in the tanks after a round trip to an other destination by
the Base Captain. If it is discovered that the airplane has landed with more
than the above described amount of fuel, the captain onboard receives a
"warning letter" there it stays that this has been notified. If this Captain
receives 3 letters like this he is subject to be fired!!!
LACKING SALARIES & SECTOR PAYMENTS.
Ryanair is constantly behind with the payment of salaries & sector payment
to the flying personnel! EVERY month there are many pilots & cabin-crews who
are subjects to this! The payments are always LESS than they should be &
NEVER opposite!? Other expenses that employees personally has paid out on
behalf of Ryanair & as following the company shall pay back to their
employees asap. is delayed obviously in the hope that these poor persons
shall give up the hard work of getting this money back or simply forget it!!
INCOME TAXES ARE FORCED TO BE PAYED IN IRELAND.
A lot of flying personnel is forced by Ryanair to pay their income tax to
Ireland even if they are based and living in Germany Belgium, England etc.
It seems that Ryanair has bargained a deal with the Irish Authorities
"underneath the table" that in order to be allowed to operate in that
criminal manner they are doing without any questions the Irish State is
receiving tax money from Ryanair's employees! This is economical crime and
should also be investigated by EU and the respective countries involved!!
DIFFERENT SALARIES AMONG PERSONNEL.
Since the 11th of September 2001 Ryanair has employed several pilots, cabin
crews and other personnel and has given them VERY low salaries compared to
those who was employed before this date!
This results in the fact that for instance Captains are flying with copilots
who are earning/receiving up to 30% more salary than the COMMANDER OF THE
AIRCRAFT???!!!
SAVING MONEY TO ANY COST & IN ANY WAY.
The company is so short of personnel, both flying & non-flying personnel,
just so they can save money, that EVERYBODY are constantly exhausted, tired
& and in a bad mood, which again results in a constant rate of failure to
perform the duties correctly among these persons!!
Ryanair employs personnel who are very young, inexperienced & and with
extremely low salaries without giving them the proper training & time to
perform their duty correct! These persons are VERY often set into sub-
administrative positions where they OF COURSE are doing a lot of mistakes
and again fired because of this! New inexperienced persons are set to do the
same jobs & the same is happening again!! ALL OF THIS IN ORDER TO SAVE
MONEY!!???
RYANAIR IS DESTROYING THE AVIATION MARKET.
Ryanair's criminal business structure creates misery and destroys the whole
aviation market if this company is not stopped! The sequence of the
destruction will most likely look like this
- Ryanair is creating a destructive and negative trend there highly educated
pilots & other personnel with a lot of responsibility and hard work hanging
on their shoulders are under-payed and degraded status vice which again
results in lower ambitions and moral among effected persons & with this
comes REDUCED SAFETY IN THE AIR!!!
Other airlines and establishments are losing a lot of money,
personnel is forced to quit their jobs because the airlines cannot afford to
have them employed,
families do get into financial difficulties and might end up losing their
homes etc.
We do hope with the cooperation of the media, different unions and Official
Authorities to put an end to Ryanairs destructive operations once and for
all!!
Yours sincerely
angry & frightened Ryanair pilots.