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Eighty Bob
7th Apr 2003, 01:31
Bizzarely in a photo taken at Baghdad Airport amongst the wreckage there is a Twin Pioneer seemingly unscathed (minus engines and tail feathers)!

Can anyone shed any light on the history/ identity of that aircraft from their jotters?

It appears to be used for some ground training purpose.

Eighty Bob
7th Apr 2003, 05:39
The Twin Pin might be G-ARBA

Accident Report........

Date: 10 JAN 1971
Type: Scottish Aviation Twin Pioneer 3
Operator: Iraq Petroleum Transport Comp.
Registration: G-ARBA
C/n: 548
Year built: 1961
Location: near Basra (Iraq)
Departure airport:
Destination airport:
Damaged beyond repair.

Oscar Duece
7th Apr 2003, 17:20
Yes I saw that picture to. In the Saturday Express. Looked untouched. Just no engines, tail or outer wings.

Any galaxy drivers out there got a little space on a return flight ?

9th Apr 2003, 09:43
God only knows what you might find down there in the desert. Back in the 1930's the King of Saudi Arabia had a couple of Spartan Executives. I haven't been able to find anything on their disposition, so they could concievably be sitting in a hangar there somewhere.
There's a Twin Pin here in Canada, out west someplace, and there's talk of restoring it.

9th Apr 2003, 16:29
Here's a list and some great photos:


9th Apr 2003, 17:31
I recollect that when on the weekly HHH run in BAH we would often pass a scrapyard at the back of the old Budaiya Road in which there were recogniseable bits of Alvis Leonides engines and bits of airframe from Pembrokes and Twin Pins(?)

Around that time (early 80's)I certainly remember Piston Provosts out collecting dust at the military section of Khartoum Airport and possibly a Twin Pin as well.

Any complete Single Pins anywhere?

9th Apr 2003, 20:19
Pretty certain there is but one surviving Single Pin in the UK, at Cosford.

9th Apr 2003, 20:34
Some good news for you then, Treadigraph, there's two flying examples in good condition on the Gold Coast, Australia.
I don't know how to contact them unfortunately.

I've flown one of them a couple of times, nice!

10th Apr 2003, 03:46
Found this on the net today:


21st Apr 2003, 07:45
The 2 at the Gold Coast were for sale last time I checked. They have been advertised through here (http://www.aviationtrader.com.au/cgi-bin/view.cgi?function=display&ad=03tfeb91.pdf)

Does anyone know the history of these aircraft?

Onan the Clumsy
26th Apr 2003, 06:08
I rember seeing one flying over Blackpool when I was a nipper. Say early seventies.

Gosh that's a long time ago...

28th Apr 2003, 02:04
Hello Fokkerwokker

Good to know that you are still in the circuit.
Do you fancy Spikeys machine?
We can beat you hands down on the number plates!!!
Best rgds.

28th Apr 2003, 05:35
That could just be Juliet Hotel!:ok:

13th May 2003, 19:45
For anyone who missed the pic (I did!) here's a link to one taken recently...



14th May 2003, 20:55
Thanks Treaders! I hadn't seen the pic before - she's in good nick, ain't she?? Looks like it has been indoors; no erosion of the perspex - some kind of ground trainer, perhaps?

15th May 2003, 00:38
Brad, the guy who took the pic, said it didn't appear to have any markings, but I assume he didn't take a look at the cockpit to see if the call sign was still on the panel... if indeed it has a panel...

I know someone who might be going out there soon; I'll ask him if, should he get the chance...!


Dr Illitout
16th May 2003, 16:38
I still want to know how come the Yanks missed it!