Stonebird
29th Aug 2001, 15:08
Ab Initio, an applicant for the JAR ATPL(a) licence must hold a hold a valid JAR-FCL Class 1 medical certificate, a PPL, must undergo 650 hrs of ground school training at an ATO, pass 14 exams with pass mark of 75%, do an IR course of 55hrs, complete an MCC course of min. 20 hrs and pass the ATPL skill test and the IR skill test.
To convert an ICAO licence :
In order for conversion of Licences to take place, a bi-lateral air safety agreement (BASA) needs to be signed by a JAA member State and the non-JAA State.
At present there are no such BASA´s.
Validations are discretionary and are valid for a maximum of one year.
To Convert :
The holder of a current and valid ATPL(A) issued in accordance with ICAO, must meet all of the JAR-FCL requirements for the issue of the JAR-FCL ATPL(A), including:
· undertaking the full 650 hour course of approved theoretical knowledge instruction and pass ALL of the theoretical knowledge examinations.
· Pass the JAR-FCL Skill Test.
However, the applicant is exempt any formal training (ground or flight), provided that he holds a current type rating for the type on which he will complete the Skill Test and has logged 500 hours on that type. If he does not, he must complete the appropriate, approved Type Rating Training Organisation (TRTO) course to obtain that type rating.
If the holder of an ICAO ATPL(A) is not in current flying practice on a multi-pilot aircraft, he may be issued with a JAR-FCL ATPL(A) provided that the experience requirements of JAR-FCL 1.280 have been met. The licence will be issued on the basis of:
· holding a valid JAR-FCL Class 1 medical certificate.
· undertaking approved theoretical knowledge instruction as determined by the training provider and passing ALL of the JAR-FCL theoretical knowledge examinations at ATPL level.
· undertaking a multi-pilot type rating course at an approved TRTO.
· passing the type rating/ATPL skill test (including IR renewal) (Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.240 and 1.295) with an authorised examiner designated by the CAA.
The holder of an ICAO ATPL(A) who does not meet the experience requirements for the grant of a JAR-FCL ATPL(A), can still apply for a JAR-FCL CPL(A)/IR. The licence will be issued on the basis of:
· holding a valid JAR-FCL Class 1 medical certificate.
· undertaking the full 650 hour course of approved theoretical knowledge instruction and passing ALL of the JAR-FCL theoretical knowledge examinations at ATPL level. Alternatively, applicants can undertake approved theoretical knowledge instruction as determined by the training provider and pass ALL of the JAR-FCL theoretical knowledge examinations at CPL and IR level (when exams/courses are available).
· undertake flying training as determined by an approved FTO and complete the pre-entry Form 170A (to include 5 hours on a complex aeroplane type for the CPL(A) if this requirement has not been previously satisfied), and pass the CPL skill test (Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.170) with a flight examiner designated by the CAA.
· undertake the full approved IR course and pass the IR skill test (Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.210) with a flight examiner designated by the CAA.
Flying experience required :
An applicant for an ATPL(A) shall have completed as a pilot of aeroplanes at least 1500 hours of flight time of which a maximum of 100 hours may have been completed in a flight simulator, including at least:
(1) 500 hours in multi-pilot operations on aeroplanes type certificated in accordance with the JAR/FAR-25 Transport category or the JAR/FAR-23 Commuter category
(2) 250 hours either as pilot-in-command or at least 100 hours as pilot-in-command and 150 hours as co-pilot performing, under the supervision of the pilot-in-command the duties and functions of a pilot-in-command provided that the method of supervision is acceptable to the Authority;
(3) 200 hours of cross-country flight time of which at least 100 hours shall be as pilot-in-command or as co-pilot performing under the supervision of the pilot-in-command the duties and functions of a pilot-in-command, provided that the method of supervision is acceptable to the Authority;
(4) 75 hours of instrument time of which not more than 30 hours may be instrument ground time; and
(5) 100 hours of night flight as pilot-in-command or as co-pilot.
(b) (1) Holders of a pilot licence or equivalent document for other categories of aircraft will be credited with flight time in such other categories of aircraft as set out in JAR-FCL 1.155 except flight time in helicopters which will be credited up to 50% of all the flight time requirements of sub-paragraph (a).
(2) Holders of a flight engineer licence will be credited with 50% of the flight engineer time up to a maximum credit of 250 hours. This 250 hours may be credited against the 1500 hours requirement of sub-paragraph (a), and the 500 hours requirement of sub-paragraph (a)(1), provided that the total credit given against any of these sub-paragraphs does not exceed 250 hours.
(c) The experience required shall be completed before the skill test is taken.
Right, those are the requirements. Lets find out how we meet them.
The Ground School :
“An applicant wishing to undertake an ATPL(A) modular course of theoretical knowledge instruction shall be required under the supervision of the Head of Training of an approved FTO to complete 650 hours (1 hour = 60 minutes instruction) of instruction for ATPL theory within a period of 18 months. An applicant shall be the holder of a PPL(A).”
If you hold a CPL without IR :
Holders of a CPL(A) may have the theoretical instruction hours reduced by 200 hours
If you hold a CPL/IR :
JAR-FCL 1.016 mentions the following:
"An applicant for a JAR-FCL licence and IR, if applicable, already holding at least an equivalent licence issued in accordance with ICAO Annex 1 by a non-JAA State shall meet all the requirements of JAR-FCL, except that the requirements of course duration, number of lessons and specific training hours may be reduced. The Authority may be guided as to the credits to be granted on the basis of a recommendation from an appropriate training organisation."
But Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.285 states:
Holders of a CPL(A)/IR may have the theoretical instruction hours reduced by 350 hours.
If you hold a PPL but with IR:
Holders of an IR may have the theoretical instruction hours reduced by 200 hours.
Typical Ground school costs :
Distance learning GBP1,700
London Guildhall University GBP 1,900
Oxford GBP 5,700
SFT GBP 5,400
Duration is 26 weeks with a 2 – 4 week break halfway in order to cram for exams, total 30 weeks.
Unfortunately, no organisation provides abbreviated training courses to cater for the abovementioned reductions allowed, the only realistic possibility of taking advantage of the reduction allowed there is the distance learning.
The IR itself:
“An applicant holding a PPL or CPL shall undergo a full approved training course for issue of the Instrument Rating (IR) as required by JAR-FCL Subpart E and pass the IR Skill Test. These requirements are irrespective of whether the ICAO licence held included an IR granted by the state of licence issue. Unless applicants have passed the JAR-FCL theoretical knowledge examinations at ATPL level, all applicants will additionally be required to undertake approved theoretical knowledge instruction as determined by the training provider and pass ALL of the JAR-FCL theoretical knowledge examinations at IR(A) level. “
However, holders of an ICAO IR are allowed 5 hrs less training, ie. 50 hrs.
The IR training needs to be done in a JAA state, it used to be allowed at the Pan Am academy in the US but this has been discontinued.
Typical costs of an IR:
Oxford GBP 12,000
SFT (Bournemouth) GBP 9,300
Cabair GBP 10,300
Duration is 11 weeks (Oxford)
The Multi Crew Co-operation course (MCC) :
This is mandatory prior to the issue of a JAR ATPL(A).
Typical Costs are :
Oxford GBP 3,200 (737 sim)
SFT GBP 2,300 (older sim)
Duration is 2 – 3 weeks.
The Exams :
There are 14 exams with a passmark of 75%. They are written the first Mon-Thurs of every month.
The cost of sitting the exams is GBP 714 total for all 14.
Total Duration:
The total duration is as follows :
ATPL Ground school 30 weeks
Exams 2 weeks
IR 11 weeks
Skills tests 2 weeks
MCC course 3 weeks
Total 48 weeks
Total Cost:
The total cost can be roughly estimated :
ATPL Ground school GBP 5,000
IR GBP 10,000
MCC GBP 3,000
Exams GBP 714
Skills Tests (incl. 4 hrs min hire) GBP 2000
Total GBP 21,000
Summary :
As you can see, it takes the best part of a year.
Living expenses in the UK for that year whilst you are an unemployed student will probably run to GBP 25,000 if you have a wife and child. Single men it may work out cheaper, depending on how much you drink!
Add to that the cost of the training,and it totals around GBP 46,000.
Links :
http://www.jaa.nl/jar/jar/tocjarfcl1.htm
Contacts :
Chairman
Mr D Eriksen
Civil Aviation Administration
Ellebjervej 50
P O Box 744
2450 Copenhagen SV Denmark
Tel: 45 36 18 62 20
Fax: 45 36 18 60 01
Secretary
Mrs P Campbell
IAOPA
Hatherlow
Marrow Common Road Guildford
SURREY GU4 7JB United Kingdom
Tel: 44 1483 506 566
Fax: 44 1483 355 839
Validations :
Licences issued by non-JAA States
(1) A licence issued by a non-JAA State may be rendered valid at the discretion of the Authority of a JAA Member State for use on aircraft registered in that JAA Member State. Holders of a professional pilot’s licence wishing to exercise professional privileges, shall comply with the requirements set out in Appendix 1 to JAR–FCL 1.015.
(2) Validation of a professional pilot’s licence shall not exceed one year from the date of validation, provided that the basic licence remains valid. Any further validation for use on aircraft registered in any JAA Member State is subject to agreement by the JAA Member States and to any conditions seen fit within the JAA. The user of a licence validated by a JAA Member State shall comply with the requirements stated in JAR–FCL.
A pilot licence issued in accordance with ICAO Annex 1 by a non-JAA State may be validated subject to conditions by a JAA Member State in order to permit flights (other than flight instruction) in aeroplanes registered in that JAA Member State. To validate such licences, the holder shall:
(a) complete, as a skill test, the type or class rating revalidation requirements of JAR–FCL 1.245 relevant to the privileges of the licence held;
(b) demonstrate to the satisfaction of the Authority that a knowledge of the relevant parts of JAR–OPS and JAR–FCL (see AMC FCL 1.005 & 1.015) has been acquired;
(c) demonstrate a knowledge of English in accordance with JAR–FCL 1.200;
(d) hold a valid JAR–FCL Class 1 medical certificate;
(e) meet any published additional requirements that the JAA Member State deems necessary; and
(f) comply with the experience requirements
If anyone has any extra info, or can correct any mistakes I may have made, please mail me!
sddd
[ 29 August 2001: Message edited by: Stonebird ]
To convert an ICAO licence :
In order for conversion of Licences to take place, a bi-lateral air safety agreement (BASA) needs to be signed by a JAA member State and the non-JAA State.
At present there are no such BASA´s.
Validations are discretionary and are valid for a maximum of one year.
To Convert :
The holder of a current and valid ATPL(A) issued in accordance with ICAO, must meet all of the JAR-FCL requirements for the issue of the JAR-FCL ATPL(A), including:
· undertaking the full 650 hour course of approved theoretical knowledge instruction and pass ALL of the theoretical knowledge examinations.
· Pass the JAR-FCL Skill Test.
However, the applicant is exempt any formal training (ground or flight), provided that he holds a current type rating for the type on which he will complete the Skill Test and has logged 500 hours on that type. If he does not, he must complete the appropriate, approved Type Rating Training Organisation (TRTO) course to obtain that type rating.
If the holder of an ICAO ATPL(A) is not in current flying practice on a multi-pilot aircraft, he may be issued with a JAR-FCL ATPL(A) provided that the experience requirements of JAR-FCL 1.280 have been met. The licence will be issued on the basis of:
· holding a valid JAR-FCL Class 1 medical certificate.
· undertaking approved theoretical knowledge instruction as determined by the training provider and passing ALL of the JAR-FCL theoretical knowledge examinations at ATPL level.
· undertaking a multi-pilot type rating course at an approved TRTO.
· passing the type rating/ATPL skill test (including IR renewal) (Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.240 and 1.295) with an authorised examiner designated by the CAA.
The holder of an ICAO ATPL(A) who does not meet the experience requirements for the grant of a JAR-FCL ATPL(A), can still apply for a JAR-FCL CPL(A)/IR. The licence will be issued on the basis of:
· holding a valid JAR-FCL Class 1 medical certificate.
· undertaking the full 650 hour course of approved theoretical knowledge instruction and passing ALL of the JAR-FCL theoretical knowledge examinations at ATPL level. Alternatively, applicants can undertake approved theoretical knowledge instruction as determined by the training provider and pass ALL of the JAR-FCL theoretical knowledge examinations at CPL and IR level (when exams/courses are available).
· undertake flying training as determined by an approved FTO and complete the pre-entry Form 170A (to include 5 hours on a complex aeroplane type for the CPL(A) if this requirement has not been previously satisfied), and pass the CPL skill test (Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.170) with a flight examiner designated by the CAA.
· undertake the full approved IR course and pass the IR skill test (Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.210) with a flight examiner designated by the CAA.
Flying experience required :
An applicant for an ATPL(A) shall have completed as a pilot of aeroplanes at least 1500 hours of flight time of which a maximum of 100 hours may have been completed in a flight simulator, including at least:
(1) 500 hours in multi-pilot operations on aeroplanes type certificated in accordance with the JAR/FAR-25 Transport category or the JAR/FAR-23 Commuter category
(2) 250 hours either as pilot-in-command or at least 100 hours as pilot-in-command and 150 hours as co-pilot performing, under the supervision of the pilot-in-command the duties and functions of a pilot-in-command provided that the method of supervision is acceptable to the Authority;
(3) 200 hours of cross-country flight time of which at least 100 hours shall be as pilot-in-command or as co-pilot performing under the supervision of the pilot-in-command the duties and functions of a pilot-in-command, provided that the method of supervision is acceptable to the Authority;
(4) 75 hours of instrument time of which not more than 30 hours may be instrument ground time; and
(5) 100 hours of night flight as pilot-in-command or as co-pilot.
(b) (1) Holders of a pilot licence or equivalent document for other categories of aircraft will be credited with flight time in such other categories of aircraft as set out in JAR-FCL 1.155 except flight time in helicopters which will be credited up to 50% of all the flight time requirements of sub-paragraph (a).
(2) Holders of a flight engineer licence will be credited with 50% of the flight engineer time up to a maximum credit of 250 hours. This 250 hours may be credited against the 1500 hours requirement of sub-paragraph (a), and the 500 hours requirement of sub-paragraph (a)(1), provided that the total credit given against any of these sub-paragraphs does not exceed 250 hours.
(c) The experience required shall be completed before the skill test is taken.
Right, those are the requirements. Lets find out how we meet them.
The Ground School :
“An applicant wishing to undertake an ATPL(A) modular course of theoretical knowledge instruction shall be required under the supervision of the Head of Training of an approved FTO to complete 650 hours (1 hour = 60 minutes instruction) of instruction for ATPL theory within a period of 18 months. An applicant shall be the holder of a PPL(A).”
If you hold a CPL without IR :
Holders of a CPL(A) may have the theoretical instruction hours reduced by 200 hours
If you hold a CPL/IR :
JAR-FCL 1.016 mentions the following:
"An applicant for a JAR-FCL licence and IR, if applicable, already holding at least an equivalent licence issued in accordance with ICAO Annex 1 by a non-JAA State shall meet all the requirements of JAR-FCL, except that the requirements of course duration, number of lessons and specific training hours may be reduced. The Authority may be guided as to the credits to be granted on the basis of a recommendation from an appropriate training organisation."
But Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.285 states:
Holders of a CPL(A)/IR may have the theoretical instruction hours reduced by 350 hours.
If you hold a PPL but with IR:
Holders of an IR may have the theoretical instruction hours reduced by 200 hours.
Typical Ground school costs :
Distance learning GBP1,700
London Guildhall University GBP 1,900
Oxford GBP 5,700
SFT GBP 5,400
Duration is 26 weeks with a 2 – 4 week break halfway in order to cram for exams, total 30 weeks.
Unfortunately, no organisation provides abbreviated training courses to cater for the abovementioned reductions allowed, the only realistic possibility of taking advantage of the reduction allowed there is the distance learning.
The IR itself:
“An applicant holding a PPL or CPL shall undergo a full approved training course for issue of the Instrument Rating (IR) as required by JAR-FCL Subpart E and pass the IR Skill Test. These requirements are irrespective of whether the ICAO licence held included an IR granted by the state of licence issue. Unless applicants have passed the JAR-FCL theoretical knowledge examinations at ATPL level, all applicants will additionally be required to undertake approved theoretical knowledge instruction as determined by the training provider and pass ALL of the JAR-FCL theoretical knowledge examinations at IR(A) level. “
However, holders of an ICAO IR are allowed 5 hrs less training, ie. 50 hrs.
The IR training needs to be done in a JAA state, it used to be allowed at the Pan Am academy in the US but this has been discontinued.
Typical costs of an IR:
Oxford GBP 12,000
SFT (Bournemouth) GBP 9,300
Cabair GBP 10,300
Duration is 11 weeks (Oxford)
The Multi Crew Co-operation course (MCC) :
This is mandatory prior to the issue of a JAR ATPL(A).
Typical Costs are :
Oxford GBP 3,200 (737 sim)
SFT GBP 2,300 (older sim)
Duration is 2 – 3 weeks.
The Exams :
There are 14 exams with a passmark of 75%. They are written the first Mon-Thurs of every month.
The cost of sitting the exams is GBP 714 total for all 14.
Total Duration:
The total duration is as follows :
ATPL Ground school 30 weeks
Exams 2 weeks
IR 11 weeks
Skills tests 2 weeks
MCC course 3 weeks
Total 48 weeks
Total Cost:
The total cost can be roughly estimated :
ATPL Ground school GBP 5,000
IR GBP 10,000
MCC GBP 3,000
Exams GBP 714
Skills Tests (incl. 4 hrs min hire) GBP 2000
Total GBP 21,000
Summary :
As you can see, it takes the best part of a year.
Living expenses in the UK for that year whilst you are an unemployed student will probably run to GBP 25,000 if you have a wife and child. Single men it may work out cheaper, depending on how much you drink!
Add to that the cost of the training,and it totals around GBP 46,000.
Links :
http://www.jaa.nl/jar/jar/tocjarfcl1.htm
Contacts :
Chairman
Mr D Eriksen
Civil Aviation Administration
Ellebjervej 50
P O Box 744
2450 Copenhagen SV Denmark
Tel: 45 36 18 62 20
Fax: 45 36 18 60 01
Secretary
Mrs P Campbell
IAOPA
Hatherlow
Marrow Common Road Guildford
SURREY GU4 7JB United Kingdom
Tel: 44 1483 506 566
Fax: 44 1483 355 839
Validations :
Licences issued by non-JAA States
(1) A licence issued by a non-JAA State may be rendered valid at the discretion of the Authority of a JAA Member State for use on aircraft registered in that JAA Member State. Holders of a professional pilot’s licence wishing to exercise professional privileges, shall comply with the requirements set out in Appendix 1 to JAR–FCL 1.015.
(2) Validation of a professional pilot’s licence shall not exceed one year from the date of validation, provided that the basic licence remains valid. Any further validation for use on aircraft registered in any JAA Member State is subject to agreement by the JAA Member States and to any conditions seen fit within the JAA. The user of a licence validated by a JAA Member State shall comply with the requirements stated in JAR–FCL.
A pilot licence issued in accordance with ICAO Annex 1 by a non-JAA State may be validated subject to conditions by a JAA Member State in order to permit flights (other than flight instruction) in aeroplanes registered in that JAA Member State. To validate such licences, the holder shall:
(a) complete, as a skill test, the type or class rating revalidation requirements of JAR–FCL 1.245 relevant to the privileges of the licence held;
(b) demonstrate to the satisfaction of the Authority that a knowledge of the relevant parts of JAR–OPS and JAR–FCL (see AMC FCL 1.005 & 1.015) has been acquired;
(c) demonstrate a knowledge of English in accordance with JAR–FCL 1.200;
(d) hold a valid JAR–FCL Class 1 medical certificate;
(e) meet any published additional requirements that the JAA Member State deems necessary; and
(f) comply with the experience requirements
If anyone has any extra info, or can correct any mistakes I may have made, please mail me!
sddd
[ 29 August 2001: Message edited by: Stonebird ]