View Full Version : Ilyushins and Tupolevs soon banned in Europe?

18th Jul 2001, 19:06
Read in a local newspaper that ICAO may soon decide to ban flights in Europe for Ilyushin and Tupolev aircraft, effective this year.

This would seems to be a decision that needs to be distinguished from the EU regulation on noise restrictions which is due to apply from April 1st, 2002.

Is there anybody out there with more info on this apparently forthcoming ICAO ban?

Thanks for your help.

Yak Hunt
19th Jul 2001, 00:05
Might be just an illusion, or have they tuppled over the edge!! :D

19th Jul 2001, 00:24
Look at my posting on page 2 of the "IL-76 down near Moscow."

19th Jul 2001, 00:50
LatviaCalling, thanks for your useful reply. Although your post on a related subject does primarily seem to refer to the EU noise ban taking effect on 1 April, 2002, it also contains a useful reference to a September 2001 ICAO meeting on noise restrictions which is likely to affect Russian aircraft. With your permission I am reproducing below your interesting reply on the Moscow IL-76 accident subject, for the benefit of all:

As mentioned before, Russian planes, even though built like T-34 tanks, are worn out and can't comply to ICAO noise and safety standards. The Russian Deputy Transportation Minister Pavel Rozhkov said Monday that if the ICAO standards went into effect as planned in April 2002, only about 20% of the total Russian air fleet would be allowed to cross into EU territory. He said it would take until 2006 to upgrade the total fleet of Russian registered aircraft. As usual, there were Russian threats accompanied by the statistics.

On July 13 the English-language Moscow Times reported the following: Russia Warns EU on Flight Restrictions by Lyuba Pronina Staff Writer :
The government is threatening to restrict flights from the European Union if Russian airlines aren't granted an extension on new noise and emission standards that would effectively ban them from flying to EU countries. As of April 1, 2002, the EU will adhere to the new standards set by the International Civil Aviation Organization, and currently just 488 of the 6,540 planes flown by Russian carriers are compliant, according to the State Civil Aviation Service.
Russian civil aviation authorities are asking the EU to exempt Russian passenger and cargo planes from the new standards because most airlines can't afford the costly upgrades, which can run as high as $15 million per plane. "There will be no unilateral flights to the Russian Federation if restrictions are introduced against our airlines," said Deputy Transportation Minister Pavel Rozhkov.
Top Russian officials are using ICAO president Assad Kotaite's visit to Moscow this week as a chance to lobby their case, hoping he can help broker a compromise with the European Union. Transportation Minister Sergei Frank met with Kotaite on Thursday, and Prime Minster Mikhail Kasyanov was scheduled to meet with him Friday. Kotaite called the case "extremely delicate and very complicated" and cautioned Russia against hasty retaliatory measures. "I don't think it's healthy to respond with war measures," Kotaite said. "This is why ICAO was established to find a way [to agree] on sound policy," he said.
The final verdict is expected to be announced at the ICAO's 33rd assembly in Montreal, which begins Sept. 25 and will include all 187 member states.
The bulk of Russian passenger planes currently operating were built in the 1970s, and only the Il-96, Tu-204, Yak-42 and modified Tu-154M comply with the new requirements. The new rules would affect the vast majority of other models, including the workhorses Tu-134, Il-86 and Il-76 cargo carrier. About 241 Tu-154Ms, Il-62s, Yak-42s and An-124s require hush kits that reduce noise levels. Aircraft like the Il-86, Il-76 and Tu-134 need entire engines replaced. Aviation authorities are looking to install new $2.5 million PS-90 engines on Il-76 and Il-86 models.
"But it's clear that we will not make it to April 1," said Viktor Samokhin, deputy head of the department of flight viability at the State Civil Aviation Service. "We have 187 Il-76s, 74 Il-86s and 247 Tu-134s. The program of modernization for 2002 calls for replacing engines on 25 Il-76s, five Il-86s and 20 Tu-134s, but this work will be a big financial burden on our airlines," Samokhin said. New engines for the Il-76s and Tu-134s cost $15 million and $6 million, respectively, he added.
Russia's flagship carrier Aeroflot, which has dozens of noncompliant craft in its fleet of 111, is gambling its future on Russia's ability to extend the deadline. "We are not planning to invest money into their upgrade. It's futile their lifetimes will expire very soon," a company spokesman said.
Samokhin called on the ICAO's Kotaite to help forge a deal with the European Union: "For our companies, even with the support of the state it's practically impossible to find financing in the time that remains, and therefore, Mr. President, we turn to you to somehow extend the flying period for planes that do not comply."

LatviaCalling, thanks for your cross-reference,

19th Jul 2001, 00:59
*in Russian Col accent*
As we used to say in Murmanshk.....
"If id nod broke, don't fiksh eet"