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Gunship
4th Jan 2003, 22:40
From the Aeropages Forum (http://www.aeropages.com/phpPilotsForum/forum.html)

Whist having a braai at a friends house yesterday afternoon in Noordkruin Krugersdorp, a small Piper Cub came flying slowly along the Krugersdorp ridge at +/- 600 ft AGL with 10 degrees of flap on. As a fellow pilot with a great interest in Aircraft, I watch as he flew racecourse circuits up and down above the houses making gentle turns, many of which where over the National Botanical Gardens which as far as I am aware is restricted Airspace due to the Eagles that nest there.
Besides the fact that he was flying below the required 1000ft AGL over a residential area and entering not only above the Botanical Gardens and FALA Airspace (Unannounced I assume) he did not seem to pose much of a threat or annoyance to anyone.

About 20 min after the display by the Cub, the real Airshow got started. A red and white Seneca entered the Krugersdorp Airspace from FALA' Airspace (Once again over the Botanical Gardens and below 1000 ft AGL) and proceeded along to approximately where the R28 cuts over the ridge. Here, the pilot of the Seneca gave us an excellent show of his flying abilities by proceeding to do a number of figure of 8 maneuvers directly over the houses below. One would of thought that the pilot of the Seneca would at least keep some altitude whilst doing this maneuver, but instead being a good showman, he tried to get the aircraft as close to the ground as possible, by climbing high followed by a very steep climbing turn and into a dive just to pull up again about 200ft AGL into a climb in the opposite direction. At least when he climbed out he took the aircraft above the required 1000ft AGL, but unfortunately straight into FALA' TMA. Due to the place that he chose to due his aerial display, he also put himself smack bang into ILS traffic inbound for FALA (thank heavens the sky was clear and there was no traffic for the ILS at FALA or else we would of gotten a lot more than just a display of fancy flying moves yesterday afternoon).

The days activities was then finished off by a third aircraft (C182 as far as I could see) sneaking below the Krugersdorp ridge line and clearly within FALA airspace over the Botanical Gardens once again towards the R28. I say sneaking because I seriously doubt he had called FALA on the Radio to tell them where he was or else he would not of been so low.

To the pilot of the Cub I say - What you did was a bit reckless although you did not pose a threat to either yourself, your passengers (if you had any) or the people on the ground. You might of made some eagle pie, but other than that you where at least safe and cautious. For you, one slap on the hand.

To the pilot of the Seneca - What you did was 100% reckless and you endangered not only your life, but also your passengers lives (if anyone was dumb enough to go fly with you that is) as well as everyone on the ground below you. You can count yourself lucky that nothing went wrong during your display. Next time you decide to do something this stupid, go and do it out in the Magaliesburg GF so at least if you mess up the only one that will die is you.

To the pilot of the C182 - The next time you decided to fly into controlled airspace, at least have the decency to give the tower a call and tell them where you are and maintain a safe flying altitude whilst in controlled airspace. I don't want to end up flying into you one day, just because you could not be bothered to give the Tower a call on your radio.

Come on people, lets keep flying safe and fun for all. In the past 12 months I have had two near misses whilst flying in the Krugersdorp / Roodepoort area. One because the other pilot did not bother to give any radio broadcasts and the other because the pilot said he was one place when in fact he was about 6 miles closer. These two occasions don't included the number of times I have had to dodge paragliders over the Krugersdorp Ridge and Hartebeesport Dam. Personally I feel it is time that it becomes law that all paragliders have to have radios on them and that they to must give position broadcasts because one of these days, a plane is going to take one of them out and then who are they going to blame?

My message to all of those out there that love to fly as much as I do, be it in a plane, a glider, a hot air balloon or paraglider, is to fly responsibly, do your position broadcasts as accurately as possible and lets all have a safe, incident free 2003.

Hear Hear !!! :D

USE THE RUDDERS
4th Jan 2003, 23:15
Reckless idiots

Did you manage to get a/c regs

Gunship
4th Jan 2003, 23:34
Sorry USE THE RUDDERS,

Not me ... I got this interesting snip from another forum .. check out the link.

Cheers,

gearupgone
5th Jan 2003, 03:15
Before making comments like "flying in Lanserias controlled airspace" - I suggest you actually buy a map and look at it. I flew that route for many years before leaving SA. Crossing the ridge - you are in FAKR airspace and should NOT be on Lanserias frequency. I say this because I have often been in the circuit and someone just blast through unannounced. I have also witnessed flying school aircraft from Lanseria (with instructor on board) at Krugersdorp doing Left hand circuits onto 08 - never occured to him to look at the procedures and teach the student correctly.

The original writer just reinforces the poor attitude of the South African pilots - shoot from the hip, criticise others etc (because I'm prefect).

Unfortunately he is right about the attitude of pilots, and their exploits. I could probably give the registrations of the aircraft sitting on the other side of the world, but I just see this as a general reflection of South Africans - "stuff the law".

Gunship
5th Jan 2003, 09:33
Gearupgone,

Ja well no fine boet.

I pressume therefore that pulled the gear up and shoot from Canada :D

Are you a South African ? What are you doing there if I may ask?

Have a gr8 time.

tyrant
5th Jan 2003, 11:14
Safety, hmmm, ok, lets talk about safety. There will be no safety until the sunny SA skies are rid of ignorent and neglegent pilots.

And this message is directed at you, the peckerhead who got airborne out of Ballito this morning en-route to Arnot Power Station :mad:

This FOOL gets airbourne and just proceeds to climb VFR to F95 through the FADN TMA with no comms with anyone and not squawking.

First contact with APP was about 2 minutes outbound the TMA, already been maintaining F95 for the last 10 minutes, nevermind the maule from Sodwana to Maritzburg at F80 who crossed somewhere in front of you during your climb, nevermind the Baron from VG to PN who you probably flew alongside for a while, and hmmmm who else, oooooh yes, ONLY THE 2 AIRLINES FROM JS to DN who pretty much descended head on through your level. But hey, as long as you had an uneventful flight, thats all that matters.

NEWSFLASH: there are other people out there who want to live and enjoy their hours in the sky.

How can I be effective if chops like this continue to operate in bubbles of ignorence and think they are the only ones in this big blue sky.

The scary thing is that there was no remorse in his voice or realisation of the severity of the situation. He still told me at the boundry to "have a nice day" just like nothing had happened.

Oh well, i've vented, I still don't feel better coz I know it will happen again.

Time for a brew me thinks

Lets be safe out there. :cool:

Petes Dragon
7th Jan 2003, 10:03
My question to all those who complain about other reckless pilots...

Did you report them to the CAA? If not, why not?

Although it takes a bit of time to get going, some times they actually get their teeth into one or two of these boys and bite. Ask our good friend CC Pocock.

It is as much our responsibility as safety minded pilots to ensure that we rid ourselves of pilots who recklessly endanger the lives of their passengers and those on the ground, as it is the responsibility of the CAA.

Fly Safe...

BAKELA
7th Jan 2003, 11:14
I doubt very much whether the SA CAA will act on any complaints about reckless and unsafe flying. I have several times (over the last 10 years) reported reckless flying to the old DCA (still with NDoT) and the SA CAA and have not had one bit of joy from them.

Going to the SAPS and trying to get a case going also does not help as they have insufficient knowledge to decide on whether to prosecute or not. I even tried this in desperation.

One particular incident of some years back comes to mind. A certain pilot thought it prudent to do 200' AGL beat ups over a built up area with nothing less than a HS125! With a couple of pax in the back!!! I reported this but nothing happened. I even provided the name of one of the pax (who I happened to stumble into a couple of days after the incident) and who thought the beat ups were great fun.

This same pilot got killed (with a pax) in a helicopter accident not more than 18 months after the incident described above. The indications at the time was that all was not 'well' with this particular helicopter flight either.

I have seen too many times that the bold don't get old. Proper action at the prudent time might have saved many lives - lets try and keep 2003 safe. I agree, report reckless flying - it is for the good of the poor stupid souls endulging in such dangerous activities.

B Sousa
7th Jan 2003, 13:11
Not jumping on you , but it always seems the ones who complain the most about Pilots and their actions are..............other Pilots.......

tyrant
7th Jan 2003, 13:13
Trust me guys, we do report them, but becomes disconcerting over the years when you get no feedback or see no evidence of investigations in progress. "Appie, gimme another increp please"

I Hate increping, i'm not a frickin traffic cop. But if I must in the interest of safety, well so be it.

V1 Rotate
10th Jan 2003, 06:01
There are 3 solutions to this problem;
Training, training and more training!

V1 Rotate

gearupgone
13th Jan 2003, 09:02
Gunship
I'm ex SA - been here 2 years. Have Canadian ATPL (and valid SA comm). Currenly work in construction - thanks to 911 - but will hopefully be flying next month pending a clearance from the US DOJ to do the required conversions - the joys of a SA passport.

The flying here is amazing. Everything works, and the Transport Canada official who delt with my licence conversion apologised personally because they are no longer able to give credit for SA licences - I needed to redo everything - writtens and flight tests. Something to do with a pilot licence scam in South Africa?????

Gr8 country, friendly people, and lousy (and *%$### expensive) wine! Take a bottle of KWV from the local "wine store" and you are an instant celeb at the party (for pricely sum of R100). - SA still has some good points.

Gearupgone

B Sousa
13th Jan 2003, 10:19
Not that we want more Canadian PIlots...ha ha, but I think the U.S. is relaxing a bit on the issuance of FAA licenses based on Foreign Certificates. You might want to look into that. The first one is free........

Gunship
14th Jan 2003, 10:38
Tyrant,

Pressume you are an ATC or you are my VLAMGAT friend ;) as that is his Callsign. I remember once taking off at 0600 in the morning in the Citation from runway ? (south) at Grand Central. I could not get clearance form Smuts so decided to take off and on the climb make contact and get clearance ,,, worst was I turned out left .... ohhh G.. was I in sh&t ... if I did not fly under a mil call sign I am sure I would have had a suspended licence and and and ,,, those where the days I pressume ?

Gearupgone, a friend of mine (ex SAAF pilot as well) is there as a software specialist - but he wishes to start flying again.

He is absolutely amazed by the professionalism in their flying, rules and regulations and just the whole attiitude about flying !

Have a wonderful time !

Cheers and good luck!
GS