Qatar Airways

[swashnob]

Following the advertisments/editorial notes in all the BALPA newsletters etc, can anyone enlighten me on the realistic run down on whether Qatar are a company worth going to for a DE command on the A320?

Also, any details on the P & C would be appreciated.

Many thanks

[Hong Kong Layover]

swash,

As I told another pilot some time ago on this page, you will be better off driving a taxi in your home town,rather than flying the air bus for Qatar airways.

Good Luck!

[Chevy-SS]

Hong Kong layover,

if you want to contribute on this forum plse try to maintain a littlle bit of level here.....

Latest news from the QR front.....

+/- 4 pilots handed over their resignations this month and more are expected too folow next month....

As a mather of facts the morale amongst the tech crew has reached a record low and tensions are starting to rise between the expat workforce and the locals!

Big changes on managment level are announced and general idea is that it is not looking good.....more qatari into managment positions, more downgraded expats, more expertise down the drain.....

Qtari seem to think that they are the best in everything and they do not need anybody else to show the how it is done....That is why QR is one of the few companies in the world with captains with 4 years command experience playing as fleet manager and chief pilots.....

To be continued without any doubt.....

[Hong Kong Layover]

chevy-ss

your comments noted,thanks.

However be informed,"people with wounds know the pain of it".

yourself too have mentioned ups and mostly downs of QR.

The Idea is to create awareness contributing to the forum and not to change the level.

Thanks.
regards
HKG.

[Jennie Blond]

I note what you said here HKG. But, some people are hapy at QR and I always feel it is best to let people find out their own way.

[Chevy-SS]

okay HKG......

I only try to inform people to the best of my knowledge and therefore I try to leave personal sentiments out of it....

Believe me, this forum would not be big enough otherwise and the chances of AABs watchdogs finding out who I am would be far to great....I am sure you know what I mean!

Also I agree that people have to find out for themselves what they think about QR.....It still is a company with a lot of potential and many of us still hope that they will finally realise that they are ruining their own company with their stupidities.....

We have come to the point where decisions need to be taken ....lets hope they take the good ones!

Otherwise it will be over with QR very soon......pilots are receiving job opportunities every week now......

[Hong Kong Layover]

I agree with u jennie

With a bit of support and "an idea" for their "home work" would be helpfull too. isnt it?

[A300Man]

Don't know what you mean regarding an idea for their homework. Please send me PM and explain.

Also HKG, do you have any experience actually with Qatar Airways? In my opinion, it is not such a bad thing that the CEO is strict and is merely trying to maintain a high standard of behaviour amongst his crew.

[Chevy-SS]

To A300 man:

I totally agree with you. AAB did a very good job untill a few months ago. He was capable of turning a worthless company into a real airline and he managed to create some sort of dicipline amongs his 55 nationalities workforce!

But nowadays he is realy loosing it and the whole airline is running on fear! He has become a controll freak......

Do you think it is normal to see a CEO in the dispatch at 3 oclock in the morning busy checking that everybody is wearing his hat allright. Do you think its normal that a CEO drives over the tarmac in his private car, stopping an aircraft on pushback in order to get onboard and do a quick inspection???? Etc Etc Etc

Demotion is like a sword of damocles hanging above your head the whole time, everybody is afraid of getting a report....

He is pushing the tech crews as well. Wearing the hat is obligatory, no uniform in public, no smoking in uniform, no more orange juice to the tech crew, no more capuccino, no bottles of water allowed in the cockpit, line checks can take place any time any place.....last month he told the cabin crew to report every pilot asking if there where any leftover pax meals to have instead of the lousy cockpit meals.....reason: they are just drivers!!!! Some of the cabin crews where ashamed in his place!

Besides that he has no clue what is going on in flight ops....everybody is so terrified of him that nobody dares to say something! The amount of money being wasted in this company is just unbelievable! The backstabbing, promoting of friends......amazing!

Result: zero morale and zero goodwill......second result: efficiency inexistant!

We are all grown ups, most of us came here very motivated and willing to fight for what we tought was "our" company! Unfortunately this all dissapears within the few months and everybody just comes to do his job and then gets out of there ASAP!!!!!

Pilots are starting to leave right now and so far the reaction of the managment has been: " that is their problem!" Can you believe that! IMO, if I was a CEO I would make damn sure that my people where happy and motivated!
We have a turnover of 100% of the cabincrew each year and an average of 4 pilots leave every month.......try to immagine this cost!

And all they have to do is look after the people, respect them, provide them with what they deserve! A slap on the back saying" you did a nice job" would do so much good.....but no, nothing like that!

They pay us so we are their slaves...at least that is what they like to think!

No wonde EK is ran by expats only! No arabs allowed.....I know why!

[Skaz]

Pardon me.....but this low morale, lack of motivation, expectation of being shafted etc etc, can do only one of two things.
Make people leave, or.....produce errors that may end in an accident.
Would be interesting to hear if any incidents etc have been reported,or not, since morale plunged and all these problems started.

Being stopped during the pushback, to be boarded by CEO and checked for complience to whatever dumbass rules....is not condusive to safe operating practices. Who is going to concentrate on his job without fuming or bitching about that bastard ...or somesuch.

NOT trying to stirr up poo, just an interested observer:confused:

[gulf-crew]

See things still the same at QR then?

Different day, year same ****

I always thought that things would get better and yeh sometimes it did new routes more a/c but in the end it always ended back the same even after 3 1/2 yrs there.

Good luck to all you crew still out there believe me there is life after QR everyone I know who left all have great jobs and a LIFE.

GC

[A300Man]

Chevy SS

I agree with you entirely actually. Whilst I don't think that there is anything wrong with maintaining high standards, the way that AAB does it is very extreme and ludicrous.

All that is happening is that he is alienating himself from everyone that comes into contact with him.

But strangely, he thrives on that................maybe just a sign of total insecurity?

However, I still think that the crew at QR do an excellent job. Very hard working and little recognition.

[Adde]

A300Man, did you receive my messages? Hope I'm not too much of trouble.

[Bagshaw Crusher]

A320 Fleet Manager has stated no more Australian pilots.

He feels they will move on when the industry improves.

Wont everybody make a move out of Qatar once the industry picks up?

No bottled water in the cockpit? Dehydration is performance affecting.

[Hong Kong Layover]

Hi chevy-ss,

I do agree with most of you wrote,except with comment of orrange juice and capuccino!

Its not just orrange juice QR talks about,but "fresh orrange juice" that is specialy catered to FC & BC pax.

There was an internal memo regarding above some time ago,but pilots just disregarded it over a period of time.and the 2nd reminder memo is just out.

Probably not somebody like you,but many pilots drink nothing but "fresh orrange juice" and capuccino, eat nothing but FC catering,making company & crew face difficulties infront of paying pax.

Safety regulations clearly states,that tech crew should stick to the "special and different meals catered to both the pilots,which rearly happens onboard QR.

It is sad, good guys like you are affected with this new memo,however, do QR have any other option with some pilots who just dont use their brains on the above issue?

[taba]

and of course there are the R1s that chop up the fruit for the flight deck!

[Chevy-SS]

Hi HKL,

you are partly right. There has been a lot of abuse regarding the subject of onboard catering. Some spoiled (mosltly local) pilots where demanding only these things.

As a matter of facts few of the local pilots have any manners at all and they think the CS or the F1 is only there to serve them....

Also it is a fact that at QR they need to issue notes before somebody is willing to accept a rule:

EG:

1) the catering thing
2) speed 250 below 10000ft with a no go for any higher speed below 5000ft in any case, even when requested by ATC. Reason for this: some local pilot landing in the middle of a 4000m runway after he totally screwed up his decent planning and he was idle/speed 180 comming over the treshhold!!!!!
3)No more decelerated approaches are recommended!
4) No more bottles of water in the cockpit because a local pilot found out that his bottle of water was stuck underneath his rudder wile attempting a landing with an A330 in LHR!!!!
...
..
.

In real life there are a lot more of these rules. They openly admit that most of the local pilots are not able to fly raw data approaches! They can only fly the airplane through the box and nothing else!!!!!

On the other hand the cockpit meals are really lousy. We have been eating chicken with vegetables and fish with rice now for over three months so that gives us a reason to ask for something else!!!

My comment was only made to say something about he CEOs attitude. He immidiatly asks to report anybody asking for these things....come on, we are all grown ups, there is no need for this!

[f16hotburner]

What happens in QR is totally out of place S.S.(**** stings)
Les misserables:yuk: :* :mad:

[Yossarian]

I admit to having no real experience of Qatari, and have only seen them down route on occasion.

However, the subtext here is that things are not rosy. I have a couple of friends interested and am in two minds whether to recommend the job to them.

For pilots, is it strictly only type-rated applicants that are accepted, and for CA's, is it as dire as is reported here?

What is the oulook? I believe expansion is on the agenda. Will the company cope?

[Goldstone]

Great to see some more QR controversy on here ... I thought AAB had maybe become a real pussycat and everything was rosy in the QR garden.

Chevy SS's comments to A300 man earlier on this thread are spot on. My advice ... only accept a job with QR if there's nothing else around and you're prepared to stand up to the CEO and his clowns ... or become a meek puppet like so many others and toe the line while at the same time complaining to all your colleagues about what a lousy company it is to work for.

There's a real regime of fear throughout the airline. Many employees are so much in fear of their jobs (particularly those from the Indian sub-continent) that they put up with everything without daring to complain ... including the fact that many have not had a pay increase for five years.

On another subject, I'm told that the German guys from LH Consulting who came into the airline to run Ground Ops and change the world have found out that it's not quite as easy as they thought. Agreements made with the CEO have been broken and they are finding it impossible to get a meeting with him to discuss the matter. Not an unusual problem ... he's no doubt too busy meeting with cabin staff to tell them their buttons are missing to deal with the major issues facing the airline.

The man is not equipped to run an airline the size of QR ... probably not equipped to run any size airline for that matter. He will get found out sooner or later. For the sake of the airline I hope it's sooner.

I could go on ....

[taba]

Also, he interferes in the personal lives of the crew. Goldstone, I agree with you whole heartedly!

I am still feeling the effects, on a financial note, due to his tyranny...but so are two other people who used to be my friends.

Sadly, he does not see reason and is always far too quick to wield the axe.

I too could go on...

[A300Man]

Taba

How are things going with the wife and little 'un? Sorry to hear that you were financially drowned because of AAB and QR. On a side note, I hope that things are better and on the up!

AB6

[taba]

A300 Man

Cheers for your message...still drowning...

Let THAT be a message...it will take forever to sort that out...

Family fine thanks...

Any news on Boshra by the way?

My PM box is always full except IT ISN'T!!! WHY?

take care

[Hong Kong Layover]

A300 man,

Money and QR cannot bring happiness!

Freedom always does!

Taba is damn lucky!

Coz he is out of that "****" !

HAPPY!

[taba]

HK

Yes, I have a wife and child to think about and money isn't everything...however when you are rebuilding, well, you could do without that extra burden.

AAB should not have let me leave the country...3 months after I left I was getting phone calls from personnel (KM) asking for signatures!!

It was never my intention to leave a loan, but then crew sometimes get no choice. But what goes around comes around and I firmly believe AAB will get his comeuppance in due course!

Whilst contributing to threads etc is entertaining, I will never be free of QR until that loan is repayed!

By the way, a word of warning to all, CBQ ignore all emails and offers of repayment...



:(

[swashnob]

Well Guys and Girls, what can I say except thank you for the advice to leave QR employment well alone.

For nearly a month in response to my original question, there was not a single reply and then all this!!

Quite a number of colleagues at my current airline have been watching with interest and most have made up their mind along the same lines.

Obviously, I hope that it all improves for the sake of the current employees.

Thanks again.

[taba]

swash

you are welcome. hope all works out for you!
;)

[Angels40]

Swashnob

I think you should try to get in touch with a member of flight deck crew in order to find out from the horses mouth what it's like to work for Qatar airways as a pilot, and not as a flight attendant or engineer. No offense to anyone naturaly, but I think you hear too many biased oppinions from people who are unhappy in Qatar for reasons which may not necessarily affect you. I may be wrong!

Would be nice to read at least one post from a member of flight deck who could give some positive publicity regarding flying in Qatar Airways.

[swashnob]

Angels40,

I could't aggree more but there doesn't seem to be any F/D that want to express an opinion. That is probably one of the most concerning things about this thread.

Not so long ago, a pilot posted a question on what it was like to operate with my company (not just P & C's and how bad the management are!), and in my opinion, got a pretty good insight as to what it was really like and as a result, recruitment has gone very well.

If nobody wishes to give any actual details, OK, but I would be very keen to hear WHY they don't want to pass on any tips etc.

[Qatari515]

I totally agree with ChevySS and I have to admit that it was about time that somebody opend up his mouth!

:*

Somebody asked what the good things where about flying for QR:

well errr.....

airplanes are well maintained and allways neat!
We still hva great service on board
It has a lot of potential as a company....unfortunately they are throwing it away
Untill now we have a lot of expats to keep the safety up a little....
If we all survive this maybe we will get lucky and take some advantage of the growth....

[Goldstone]

If there are not many QR pilots posting on here it could be because apparently a few months back they were warned that any QR flight deck found to have been posting on PPRUNE would be fired.

That's the kind of guy the CEO is. Doesn't want to rule your life or anything, however .....

Latest firing is Veronica from Marketing. No good reason apparently. Amy who was in Commercial and then Emergency Planning has joined BA in Paris.

The guy now running Cargo is apparently no more than an AAB puppet. If Snackbar says jump, he leaps. Incapable of making a decisions of his own.

AAB is speaking at the Aviation Club lunch in London on Thursday. Wish I could be there. Wonder what the title of his speech is? How to run an airline????

[taba]

Goldstone...wouldn't it be great to be there? do you think anyone will turn up if they know he's speaking? he he...

[Goldstone]

I know someone who is going, taba, so should find out by Friday what sort of nonsense he was spouting.

[taba]

i await with baited breath...ha ha!

btw, was this threat only for pilots or cabin crew as well, or even all qr staff?

[Qatari515]

All Qatari staff off course....everybody should speak up....its about time dont you think!

And believe me, we owe it to ourselves and to the company because if things continue the way they are now QR is going to crash and burn sooner than we can immagine and t be honest....I still like the company too much to see that happening!!

[taba]

that's a fair comment...why don't you encourage people to write en masse?!

you guys deserve better treatment!;)

[HIGHFLYER999]

Hi folks,

Have been reading all your posts re Qatar with interest. I'm not an airline worker but merely planning a trip from LHR to DXB in June and have been offered flights with Qatar via Doha.
I've never actually heard of this airline before and was just wondering how safe/reliable/enjoyable this airline actually is?
After reading some of the posts re bottles getting jammed under rudders and local pilots not being as competent as others i must admit im getting a bit concerned. Do i have good cause to be worried or are they a safe bet?

[A300Man]

Taba

The crew tried that before - i.e. to write en-masse tp Pprune and see what reaction they got. Unfortunately, none, except the "circulated" warning that anyone caught doing it would be sacked! Or at least, life made hell with bad rosters, etc.

As always noted - AAB loves all this attention and nonsense, and he actually thrives on it. So, personally, I don't think posting here makes any difference to him.


Highflyer 999

Qatar Airways is an excellent company to fly with as a passenger. Yes, there is a lot written here about standards and all that. However, you will not find a harder working Cabin Crew in the skies. believe me. Try them out. I am sure that you will be impressed.

[taba]

A300 man

I know but I feel very strongly about what's happening out there!

Highflyer

QR are safe, reliable and generally have a wonderful service...and, in case they don't make the announcement prior to lbars closing ( might wake the pax up, ha ha) the bar closes 45 mins before landing...usually!

FYI QR advertising for flgiht dect in Flight International!!!?

[Qatari515]

I totally agree with that....QR is a very safe and reliable airline and the cabin crew will do anything in their possibilities to make your flight as comfortable and safe as possible.

Regarding the remarks made here about the problems in the cockpit...those are ment to be professional remarks by and for pilots and crew. These are details that are our pride being a pilot and it is our duty to look after them well!

But the whole system of safety is made so reliable and their are so many safety catches built in that these items will not affect the safety as a passenger!

So plse fly QT and make up your own mind about comfort but do not worry at all about safety.....the standards are very high! Thats one thing AAB did right......about the only thing but hey....

[Gnadenburg]

Qatari

What about all the CRM and cockpit cultural difficulties we have been hearing about- from the inside?

Surely that is not conjusive to air safety.

[dunerider]

Dear Qatari workers,

My condolences to you all for having to work under the
conditions you all indicate on this website.I hope this industry
turns around soon and you get a chance to obtain a position in a company you will enjoy working for.:(

[Hong Kong Layover]

Angels40,

Do you honestly think you could find happy people at QR, apart from those who suck up to AAB?

[papyjo]

My dear colleagues, unemployed for 7 months and freshly rated on the A320(3 months ago) my main problem is first to get a new job, that is wy even after what has been said on QR, I am still really interested in joining it.

Ex Air Liberté F/O(lost my job during the massive 2001/2002 lay-offs), I am 31 years old and I have a JAA ATPL with 2500 hours, including 2100 airline jet hours(F28, MD82/83).

Despite the fact that I do not have any hour on the A320, do you think my case would be of an interest to your airline ?

If so can you guys provide me with the contacts of the right persons to reach ?

And last but not least, can you tell me how much it is paid monthly and yearly for a starting F/O overthere ?

Many thanks in advance to those of you willing to share their knowledge.

[taba]

Check out Flight International magazine;)

Cheers

Tabs

[Baron rouge]

Papyjo you will have all the info on Flight international website, they are even recruiting without qualification. No info on salaries.
Bonne chance.

[Willie Everlearn]

Would anyone "on the inside" at QR actually know whether or not there is an age limit and whether or not it has a HARD or FLEXIBLE impact on hiring practices.

Their website implies an upper age limit at time of joining whist the Flight International age makes no mention of age.

What is the reality here?
:confused:

[Ready]

Papyjo,
if I may ask, how many pilots got the A320 type rating before Air Liberte's closure?
The number of hours you or somebody else have on the A320 is probably irrelevant. Some might even get right seat of the A330 if interested.
Good luck.

[papyjo]

Hi Ready,

In fact we experienced two lay-off periods out there, the first one unfolded during late 2001/early 2002, leaving 235 pilots on the sidewalk(including myself) and the second which is happening at the moment since the company went bust, will slaughter another 350 flight deck crews.

As far as I know, we all have much more to worry about the belgium pilots who are actually getting the best out of that airbus market , rather than about my ex ail lib fellows. Around 25/30 A340 rated crews mostly going to air tahiti nui and air bourbon which will operate a daily CDG/RUN if they get money and signatures; added to this another 8 crews rated on the A320 and that is all with the airlib airbus guys.

Ready please tell me some more about these possible A330 right seats.

Cheers.

[Ready]

Papyjo,
If I remember it well, QR was advertising for A330 right seat positions for non-rated pilots as well. My point was, for somebody already type rated on the A320, as we all know the conversion would be shorter than the full initial course, and a less restrictive training bond (cheaper). For that, they would need a captain or FO in the same situation than yours to fill in the other seat.

Pure speculation here, but many options could be available depending on the response they get from the ad. All I'm trying to say here is that there would be pilots going on the A330 right seat, full initial or conversion, QR pilots or outsiders.
I hope that helps. Your game now.
Cheers!!

[swashnob]

Can someone PLEASE PLEASE mention a few numbers so outsiders can make a decision as to whether to reply to the FI ad.

[Goldstone]

... reference to earlier post ... my acquaintance who attended the Aviation Club lunch in London tells me that much to his surprise Akbar did an OK job with his speech. Few too many "my airline"s when "our" would sound a little more modest. But apart from that not at all bad.

[five]

Hi guys,

I was in Qatar 1 month ago for assesment.
They surely need A320 crews F/O and Cpt but they never said they needed A330 pilots for this you have to start on 320 and wait for seniority.This was very clear,one month ago.
By the way they promissed us an answer within 15 days ,and 1 month later no news,for nobody....no reply to mails...
I fear they are standing-by in the bunkers to see the evolution in the gulf....

[Qatari515]

Regarding the hiring process:

Papayo.....you have a very very good chance being type rated...just give them some time and even call them whenever you can. Try to get in touch wit a pilot, maybe he/she can forward your resume

Payscale: all includedan FO takes home an average of 21000Qr and a captain 28000QR. This regardless of fleet, experience or seniority. Talks have been hoing on for 1.5years now about a payrise but so far nothing happend

A330 seats....NO WAY!! New hire pilots will start on the A300 or 320 fleetand will have to await there upgrades.

The only thing is that if you have a very strong french accent you might have a hard time getting in.....reason being that they do not understand frenglish and to be honest, I cant either! Some french pilots accent is just horrible
:yuk:

Agelimit.......nothing there to my knowledge

Hiring process, still going strong despite the war...

QR is still a very good opportunity as a pilot....just sit back , relax, stay out of politics, do your job and enjoy the ride....

Goldstone, would it be possible to say a bit more about AABs speach in the aviation club plse...

hope this helped

Regarding CRM......

the course is there, the instructors are very good but........in real life CRM still has a long way to go, especially in the relationship between cockpit and cabin! A lot of local pilots still feel that the forward call button needs to be pushed at least once every minute and this for the stupiest things...

Luckily for the FAs the expats do not have this habbit, isnt it girls???

What we do have is a very strict task allocation between PF and PNF (not capt/ copilot). QR is one of the most liberal and advanced companies regarding this subject. As a mather of fact they follow the airbus policy almost 100% hereby getting rid of a cockpit gradient. The PF has most of the decisions to make on his stretch and Capt only takes over as PNF in real emergencies.

So its safe to say that both pilots in front are equally capable of doing everything on board.

Also every pilot knows the SOP very well so there is no confusion possible. With 55 nationalities flying for QR everybody knows it very well that adherence to sops is the only safe way of flying overthere....

So for me this system works very well, sops and task allocation. In the meanwhile the CRM concept can grow.

But I can assure you, a lot of major carriers around the world focuss only on CRM and nothing on the rest and this results in a far far unsafer situation!

I prefer the way QR works much better.....

[swashnob]

Qatari 515, Many thanks!

[papyjo]

Hi Qatari 515,

Many thanks too for the tips and do not worry about my accent, it is as clear as you read me.

I really want to make the move and spontaneously come down there in Doha, with all my licence and stuff so that I may obtain an interview, what do you think ?

NA and Ready are also expected to reply. It would be very kind of them if they could also bring a little help, since I have no accurate representation of the situation in Doha, nor idea of what is expectable to get overthere at the moment.

And please if someone could give some decision makers' contacts it would be great and, if practicable no secretaries.;)

Many thanks in advance to those willing to share the efficient knowledge.:ok:

Cheers.

[Willie Everlearn]

Qatari515

Thanks for the focus in your remarks.

What many folks miss is the fact that they are there to earn a living from their love of flying and not from their skills at running a major airline.

(Most pilots will tell you they can do a better job at running BA than Rod, when the simple truth is, a pilot is the last person you want running your airline)

Eventually, some folks, when they realize QR isn't the same as a British Airways or Qantas, nor is it run like a British Airways or Qantas, the mud-slinging and moaning starts.

The GOLDEN nugget in your post (in its simplicity) is, for anyone joining QR, to simply "enjoy the ride".

Well said mate. Well said indeed.

Willie
;)

[Goldstone]

OK, Qatari515, just got some more feedback on what AAB had to say at the lunch in London:

More aircraft orders to come. Fleet will double in 5-6 years. Talking to both Airbus and Boeing.

QR will not be profitable for the next 5-6 years. IPO after two years of consecutive profit.

Subsidiary company to take over the state owned hotels in Qatar.

Fleet utilization among the highest in the world.

Pleased Qatar withdrew from GF as opened up more traffic rights for QR.

Complained about lack of air services liberalisation in India and irresponsible pricing by his competitors.

QR wants to join an alliance.

38 destinations now, 50 by end of 2004.

Airline is overwhelmed with applicants for pilots and engineers as a result of bankrupcies and layoffs elsewhere in the industry.

Max fleet size 45 aircraft so AAB can keep control over product quality.

Apparently those were the main points.

[Qatari515]

Thanks a lot Goldstone,

unfortunately the statement about applications is not entirely true, otherwise I dont see the reason for hiring ab initio pilots right!

Off course managment needs to say that otherwise we could ask for a payrise....damn!;)

[HF-in-Doha]

Qatari515,

otherwise I dont see the reason for hiring ab initio pilots right!

Hiring ab-initio pilots is encouraged by the government under the Qatarisation master-plan and the targets are something like ~40 qataris per year both crew and engineers to be trained. Even though the plan mainly focuses on the hydrocarbon sector it is still encouraged and supported through the government and the Ministry of Education in other sectors such as aviation.

Recently the airline recieved a grant for training and QAC will be expanded and should soon have 2 intakes of students every year in order to increase training capacity.

Even if at some point in the future they have all the pilots they need, and still get a lot of foreigners applying the locals will still be hired. In the unlikely even that there are more Qatari Ab-initio graduates than there are positions to fill they will take the place of expat crew. That will probably not happen because there are not enough people in a country where even the Air Force hires expats to fly their aircraft! There will always be a need for expats to help keep the country running smoothly.

[Qatari515]

That is true and generally speaking some 15 Qatari cadets jopin the ranks every year. I am pretty sure that they will never have 40 graduates a year unless they want to sign for accidents to happen.

Lets put it this way, if you talk statistically only 1 person in 5000 has the capabilities of becomming a pilot. There are 170000Qatari and allready we have +/- 40 qatari pilots at QR, 20 in the airforce and who knows how many more abroad.....so we have allready passed this benchmark! And sometimes you can see it on the their level allready! (To the good guys......you know you are good so...)

;) ;)


Recently they hired forreign ab initio pilots and that was my point...

[HF-in-Doha]

Qatari515,

I am pretty sure that they will never have 40 graduates a year unless they want to sign for accidents to happen.

I said 40 crew and engineers and the ratio is about 5 engineers to 3 pilots so that makes it 15 pilots a year and 25 engineers.

About the 5000 to 1 figure was there actual research done for this? All candidates undergo evaluations to see that they are capable of the job. As I said before there will never be a point where QR will be Qatari only it's impossible.

Recently they hired forreign ab initio pilots and that was my point...

Thanks for making that clear.

[Qatari515]

5000/1 is a worldwide generally demographic figure.....:)