coroner's report

[compressor stall]

Caught on ABC news tonight the coroner's report into the tragic crash of the 206 in the Gulf 2 years ago.

Of the recommendations I can recall:

1. Black boxes for light aircraft
2. Electronic submission of passenger manifests.

What are the costs of 1. and how on earth would it have helped in the investigation? After all they could not find the wreckage anyway, and only then was it discovered by the navy 18 months later.

And as a bush operator how on earth is one meant to implement 2. ?

Imagine the following scenario: Turn up to remote community, find the passengers you are meant to carry under a tree amongst aluminium, get them to spell their names, walk 5 kms into town to council office, email the pax names, walk back out, find that 2 pax have diappeared to the long grass, and there are 4 wanting to take their place.
:rolleyes:

What a farce.

[Mainframe]

Comp Stall

You got it !
(1) Pax manifests were left at community airport where locals don't interfere with things not theirs.

Pax manifests were left under rock at windsock at remote airstrip.

Aussar was actually supplied with complete and uptodate manifest at time of uncertainty phase in this incident.

Where does everyone leave their manifests at remote airstrips? Usually at a designated place, e.g. under rock at windsock.

No problemmo, electronic check in counters with reservation system and traffic officers to be established at each and every ALA in Australia

(2) Black box flight recorders to be fitted to ALL aircraft, also sonar "pingers" to enable wreckage to be located quicker

( 1 ) & ( 2 ) above , plus the rest of the recommendations will eliminate "continued VFR into IMC" accidents and if they don't, will make it easier to locate the results.

[Arm out the window]

Fair comments; it makes you wonder about the validity of recommendations from so-called expert bodies.

It's all well and good to pluck a few suggestions as to how a certain situation could have perhaps had a better outcome, but even our lawyer mates would have to agree that 'reasonableness' is a necessary ingredient for anything to work in the real world.

[puff]

Of course GA would be safer if we were flying around in brand new a/c, 2 crew,3 monthly sim checks, CRM training, GPSs, TCAS, EGPWS, voice recorders, ACARSs but where would the funding come from?

If the government put back the billions of dollars that they made from selling all the airports back INTO aviation instead of taking away to fund election promises perhaps the industry would be able to spend some money on safety, have their way and aviation will be a safe as a bank, because an aircraft can't kill anyone if they can't afford to leave the ground.

We live in this huge country and if everyone has their way we'll all be walking everywhere! As long as we all have a personal locator beacon :P

[SeldomFixit]

Your "personal locator beacon" is your Medicare card. The bastages have already got that one covered. The wafer thin " pinger" to be sandwiched into it is being developed, as we speak, by the CSIRO. Unfortunately, that technology will be sold of overseas just short of realisation.
Australia, the lucky country. Lucky for everyone else, that is.
What rational mind could possibly recommend black boxes in your average GA aircraft. If these fools were instructed to " come up with something, ANYTHING", as a result of this enquirey, they appear to have fulfilled their requirement. :mad:

[criticalmass]

I recall to mind a comment made by the late Peter Wright in "Spycatcher".

"On the big issues, the experts are almost invariably wrong."