View Full Version : RNZAF to purchase 2 757's

Big Kahuna
17th Nov 2002, 00:07
Airforce set for plane upgrade

The Government looks ready to green light a massive spend up on the airforce.

Sources tell ONE News the go ahead has been given for the purchase of two large commercial jetliners to replace the RNZAF's ageing 727 fleet.

The Workhorse Hercules transport planes may also be in for a major refit.

The Boeing 727 is New Zealand's defence backbone, transporting troops and government members around the globe.

But the airforce's pair of 727s are 25 years old and prone to breakdown.

ONE News understands the government is just weeks away from approving the purchase of two Boeing 757s to replace its current transport jets.

The 757 seats up to 280 people, twice that of the current jets.
They cost between $140 million and $180 million each.

The airforce's five Hercules were purchased nearly 40 years ago.
The defence minister is expected to present cabinet with upgrade options for both aircraft this week.

The airforce would not comment, only saying that it will respond to any decision the Government makes.

Borneo Wild Man
17th Nov 2002, 03:47
:eek: Big K,maybe we can lease them ours.But I dont think I could live at WP anymore!Anyway the boys arrive in town Sat.757 back in NZ airspace!

17th Nov 2002, 11:45
How come they get a 757 and we have a 737BBJ???

Why would the NZ Air Force need a 757? a C210 would be more than enough for VIP transport. :D ;) :D

But then again, it's not the size but how you use it that matters!:D :D :D

17th Nov 2002, 15:56
Borneo Wild Man: I wouldnt worry old bean, they'll be based in Ohakea soonest. (Theres a job for you if Emirates doesnt come off......"Boeing Flight Commander". I hear there current one has just 717'd - again.)

The reason the kiwi airforce wants the 757 is the 'combi' pax/freight option. ie: it must be able to carry El Presidento Clarke and her band of merry brown-noses + all the spare parts for the broken down Hercules.
Hopefully it'll be RNP5 compliant to avoid all those embarassing stop-overs every 90mins in Europe to realign the INS's.

I note the article states that strategic transport is now the back-bone of the RNZAF. (Goodness knows with the sharp end gone it cant be the 'balls of the RNZAF'; although in the days of sexual equality I guess thats inappropriate?)
Does that mean the word 'tactical' is being written out of their raison d'etre too? Strategic = backbone.....thats just plain spooky. Soon it'll be the womens auxilary balloon corps and the typing pool will be the backbone.

Borneo Wild Man
18th Nov 2002, 04:56
:p Yeah the OH Waaf barracks just doesnt compete with Scarletts on Tues night.Some what close to Orchid Towers though! ! !

18th Nov 2002, 05:21
757s "Backbone" of a defense force?

Not much use getting there in style if you have nothing to fight with on arrival...

Kaptin M
18th Nov 2002, 05:51
:p The Boeing 727 is New Zealand's defence backbone, transporting troops and government members around the globe :p

:D All 2 of them!! :D

18th Nov 2002, 06:00
727's are 38years old
not 25, and yes there are 2 of them kappy but one is in fulltime maintenance, and the other is in 3/4 time maintenance:D

18th Nov 2002, 16:53
Choice of good condition airliners can be made at several locations across Australia.

Current scheme blue tail on white - various models to choose from at a bargain price.

Please leave contact details at any cafe in Melbourne marked; ATTN: The Two Marks.

18th Nov 2002, 17:57
On the plus side its a good rating for the boys/gals to have (when they get out) and should in no way effect the retention problems that the RNZAF currently has.......I wonder what return of service the RNZAF will put on this conversion?

I didn't think that Boeing made a 757 combi? So where are these coming from and who is 'converting them'?

18th Nov 2002, 19:59
A little bit off the topic but does anyone else find the 727 the sexiest airplane ever made? And the noise!!! that's the best part!

18th Nov 2002, 20:40
I see from granny Herald this morning (front page) that one of the 757 tasks will be Antartic resupply. BIG balls on two engines, guys.

19th Nov 2002, 00:09
A fine bit of NZ journalism! "Antarctic Resuppply and SAR"...not to mention the Labour Party spin-doctors at work - Its primary purpose is "Peace Operations".......... but worse is that the "Airforce is spending $690mil" - in fact it is the Govt that spending (and rightly so) - but in 'spinning it this way Labour apparently takes no responsibility. Not to mention that only approx $360mil was approved yesterday (for C130 and 757).

Shocking factless propaganda.

Borneo Wild Man
19th Nov 2002, 00:27
The only cargo door models Im aware of is the -200c Royal Nepal Airlines(1 Combi only one in existance) and the-200PF(Package Freighter as owned by UPS,20+,but no windows fitted).Ansett Worldwide have 4 PF's for lease one currently with Icelandic and one with Ethiopian.DHL has a freighter version (-200SF) with ex BA models,coverted at Boeing Witchita.Work also subcontracted to IAI(Israeil).(42 I think)The PF has slightly increased range,none are fitted for-ER.
Pemco Aeroplex in Denver offer conversion to all-cargo,combi or QC.

Pricey option for Helens Limo.
But should look kinda sexy with a pair of sidewinders(the only missile the RNZAF can afford )under the wing.Throw some accoustic gear in and it could replace the P-3.Now where's the winch going to go?A real multi role machine!!

19th Nov 2002, 04:49
It won't be the cheapest a/c to operate but the acquisition price will be very good given the current surplus of 75's in the market...certainly a very capable machine and well suited to this part of the world in terms of airfield and payload/range performance.

It's a pity our Govt didn't do the same thing assuming that the future tanker/transport replacement for the 707's will most likely be uesd 767-200ER's...think of the savings with pilots, engineers, support, spares, training etc...

Maybe we can do a swap? ;)

Big Kahuna
19th Nov 2002, 08:34
Borneo Wild Man,

Perhaps you could take Helen for a spin in your one next week on your dayoff. So she can see what a fine machine they are going to get.

In fact you are probably flying the 2 that the RNZAF will buy.

20th Nov 2002, 08:37
Have to agree it's a little sexier than a Islander, but not by much. The noise is similar to 3 A4's or 1.5 732's.
Why don't you start a new thread?
Had a play in a Lear 35 a long time ago, it was pretty sexy.

Big Kahuna
3rd Mar 2003, 12:11
New Air Force Planes Confirmed
03/03/2003 04:51 PM

The new aircraft for the Air Force have been confirmed.

Two 757 jets are being purchased to replace the current 727 planes.

Defence Minister Mark Burton describes it as the next step in building a modern, focused, well-equipped Air Force.

The new jets will be modified for dual cargo and passenger carrying capacity.

The first 757's due to arrive mid next month, with the second coming mid year.

Mr Burton says the new jets fly further, carry more and are more reliable than the 727s.

He says upgrading the current planes is not an option, because they are reaching the end of their useful life.

3rd Mar 2003, 15:04
Justplanes are reporting that two ex-Transavia 757s to go to the RNZAF. So not exactly brand new - probably already have fairly high time/cycles not that it would matter much for the lower use they will get in the RNZAF.

Big Kahuna
13th Mar 2003, 09:36
The Air Force has found replacements for its ageing 727 transport planes, but the bill could top $200 million.

The government says it will buy two 10-year-old Boeing 757 aircraft from Dutch carrier Transavia.

The 727s currently in use are 30 years old and have been plagued by mechanical problems.

Defence Minister Mark Burton says the cost is within the $100-200 million figure already set aside, but the full price will not be revealed till the planes undergo modifications.

They are having a new cargo door fitted in the main cabin and strengthened floors.

Burton says the new planes will go into service in April and June, and will be used for both military and civilian tasks such as emergency medical evacuations, disaster relief, military exercises, and VIP transport.

Transavia's website says it is phasing out the 757s as it modernises its Boeing fleet.

14th Mar 2003, 03:42
she has a defence force living in poverty, but her first priority is to make sure her own fat backside has a comfy seat. No surprise NZ govt has no legitimate role to play in world affairs.

14th Mar 2003, 22:28
Fair go, ozbiggles, Herr Helengrad doesn't have a fat backside. It's nice and narrow, just the way the other girls like it.

15th Mar 2003, 00:53
London to a brick this is one of them...


16th Mar 2003, 07:16
transavia only operated four 757s . ph-tkc being the one minus the nose wheel in the picture....... so if helengrads bought two theres a 50/50 chance shell get this one .........