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1st Nov 2002, 23:46
have a student limited to cpl licence due to failing colour blind lantern test.... wants atpl, is there any way around this, and has anyone got around it...? any info much appreciated

2nd Nov 2002, 01:05
A lot of people who do the lantern test fail first time because they're told to report white, green and red lights but the white is incandescent (not a pure white) so it looks more orange often resulting in people making a call of 'red'. :rolleyes:

Some doctors do this test infrequently and also don't know the deal.

Chase CASA to get a letter OK'ing a visit to the Victorian College of Optometry (yes..in Melbourne). The doctors there specialise in color vision and will run a bunch of tests before finishing up with the lantern test, by which time they will have a good idea of any color deficiency...

Best of luck to your student;)

2nd Nov 2002, 05:50
Another medical specialist to consider is Dr. Marty Samuels, an Opthalmologist (eye sugeon) who also has considerable experience in aviation and in legal cases involving colour blindness in pilots.

Marty was one of two Navy Doctors who trained as pilots in the 1970's. On return to NAS Nowra, after graduation from RAAF Pearce, he flew Macchi jets and helicopters, whilst the other doctor flew Macchis and Skyhawks. They also did their medical practitioner work in between flying! :D

With his background, I'm sure he would be able to help and/or advise pilots with colour blindness problems.

He is located in Melbourne.

2nd Nov 2002, 08:10
thank you all very much for your help. will pass this on to the concerned lad.. know he will be very appreciative...

2nd Nov 2002, 12:09
CASA are about to change the rules on color blindness, and have applied to be exempted from equal opportunity laws (on color blindness, and pregnancy), on safety grounds.

My (limited) understanding of the changes proposed for 1st May 2003 is that they include a tightening of color blindness standards, so that lantern is no longer recognised, and that ishihara is the standard- period.

I'm ready to be corrected, but that is the info I have. I understand that quite a few people are sweating on this.

2nd Nov 2002, 13:42

Col. Walter E. Kurtz
3rd Nov 2002, 03:37
Greg Clarke1 or Collar, could you guys forward me any useful info, or Dr Papes address to me at [email protected] please - this would be appreciated.


3rd Nov 2002, 07:29
If not a hassle, could you also please forward some info my way as well, [email protected] . Very much appreciated!:-)

Kaptin M
3rd Nov 2002, 10:22
Almost all tests (using the Ishihara Test) are done using ARTIFICIAL LIGHTING, whereas the REGULATIONS specify that the testing be done using NATURAL LIGHTING.

Before proceeding to the Lantern Test, it may well be worth your while grabbing the Ishihara Test, and trying it outside.

;) :D

SM4 Pirate
4th Nov 2002, 01:10

You are right from the info that I have. From the ATC perspective Civil Air has written to HREOC (I think) to reject CASA's application for exemption from E&D laws.

There could be as many as 60 controllers who would be unable to pass the vision requirements of the Class 3 medical come 1 May 2003. (One wonders what that would do to the rosters!)

Airservices is convinced it won't be that many and has backed CASA's decision; by the way the submissiion made by CASA in it's application is to 'bring it into line' with international standards; which can only be assumed is ICAO; which recommends the Farnsworth Lantern test in the event that a person can't pass the Ishihara Plate test. Go figure.

Bottle of Rum

4th Nov 2002, 07:10
The devil (as usual) is in the detail. It will be at CASA discretion to allow one who fails the Ishihara to take another form of the test.

To a cynic it could look like a case of CASA trying to get back at Dr Pape after he bloodied their nose on this issue in court. ie "you beat us in court with all your science, so we'll take the courts out of the equation." It's so much easier when you are not accountable.:rolleyes: