The Guvnor in the news again!

[The Southend King]

Not sure how long this will last before it gets consigned to Jet Blast or somesuch place but The Guv features in The Sunday Mail (http://www.sundaymail.co.uk/news/page.cfm?objectid=12315248&method=full&siteid=86024) again.

Looks like they contacted all the parties mentioned on a certain website.

Wonder if this guy will ever go away:rolleyes: :confused:

[CaptainFillosan]

With all that wonderful news I suspect it will stay here quite a while! :D

[ADC]

What a con artist. :mad:

People like him really give the industry a bad name. Hopefully all his "friends" over in Airliners.net will get a glimspe of this as well.

[crewrest]

When will 411A be in the Sunday Mail? It's almost as much fun reading his posts as 'Guv's' ;)

Incoming.

[Ignition Override]

Does anyone know who he flew for as a self-proclaimed DC-8 pilot years ago?

Can he be charged with fraud for naming a bank as a sponsor, on a website? What remote island does he plan to fly to with the investors' money?

Does his Mom remind him to clean his room, and then give him keys to the family car?

Will he change names and appear in the US? My native country, the US, by and large absolutely loves unashamed self-promoters who claim that they can create any business from scratch, and are successful at (or by) exploiting and screwing their employees as much as possible. If still in the dark, read up on this industry's disasters in 80's and 90's, even much earlier. Even shareholders were often exploited, or at least until the Enron scandal unfolded.

Now, the US government is suddenly a True Friend of The working man and woman. They can also arrange to sell you lakefront property in Arizona or Utah.

[GVJFK]

ADC

Tis now on Airliners!!!!! WEll I would be lacking in y public duty had I not let his friends there see him for what he really is...cough...LOSER.
:D

[Robert Vesco]

Happiness is a warm L1011....... :p :eek: :rolleyes: :D

[The Southend King]

As always, one has to admire his neck.

GVJFK, he now deems you to be Reddo, and to have certain motives for your post. He also rubbishes the Daily Star story, but forgets the fact that he can make any claim he likes without evidence, whereas the the newspaper has to research it's facts prior to publication, or leave itself open to being sued for libel.

Anyway, as long as the good people of Scotland, and the wider business community are wise to this conman, at least it's a start.

Happy to report that the Belfast is still happily sitting here in Southend, despite the fact that was "due" in Prestwick about two weeks ago. In fairness the Guvnor did say on Airliners.net If it doesn't show up, you can make your own minds up

well it hasn't...........

and we have !!

:D

[Deeko01]

l posted the first thread about this on airliners.net but it seems every time l post they think l have some hidden agenda.........so they deleted at and sent me this e-mail :

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The Truth About Celeidh/Guvnor/Lionair/Lyingair

Posted by Sa365c1 ([email protected])

Hi,

Appearing in my local newspaper another article exposing Neil Robertson to be the scammer that he is..........read on :

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l dont have a hidden agenda l just want to see this guy stopped for pedalling all this nonsense.

regards
Deeko01

[GVJFK]

Helll The Southend King!
Delighted to know that Essex boys live here as well as us Essex girls.

Mr Neil Robertson can call me Reddo all he pleases. If he is casting aspirsions that I am possibly a communist then good on him. He knows nothing about me or my life. In fact red is my colour, as in hair, choice of airline I love and My blessed Liverpool FC.

My problem with him and all like him is the fact that he is a CON ARTIST, a liar, a fraud, a bamboozler, a fake, a cad, and well a fantasist and thats the nicer things I am prepared to say about the "gentleman" What really boils my blood he the fact that he claims to be a child psychologist and will tell nothing as to his qualifications. Its a touchy subject in my household and well....without been indelicate there are too many people out there who claim they are what they are not to damage others.... That said if he was to verify at least one claim he makes then he may get back0.01% of the credibility he has lost.

Off now to gather up tiles that have found their way from my roof to my garden!!!!!

[ironbutt57]

Robert Vesco...Silver Phyllis....mmmmm good book it was, "The Flying Carpetbagger"...nice uniforms too!:) :D :cool:

[Robert Vesco]

That´s right Ironbutt57.

That´s where I got the username from. Amazing book, fun reading. ;)

Makes one wonder what really goes on inside all those cool BBJ´s parked in ZRH, GVA and at Jet Aviation in BSL...... :eek: :cool:

[J-Heller]

Posted since the above link does not appear to be working :D

Quote from Sunday Mail report:.........

CAPTAIN LYIN' AIR Oct 27 2002


Fly conman wants £2.5m to get 10th airline off the ground

Jamie Macaskill & Billy Paterson



A SELF-STYLED Richard Branson who promises investors his new airline Lionair will make millions is today exposed as a serial conman by the Sunday Mail.

Neil Robertson, 37, who wears an airline captain's uniform even though he can't fly, is trying to raise £2.5million to start up his tenth airline.

He boasts it will be making a £10million profit in three years and claims to have a huge cargo plane which will fly into Prestwick Airport within days to launch the business.

He says on his website that the airport will be the worldwide base of Lionair with eight Tristar jets and 150 staff on salaries of up to £80,000 a year.

But we can reveal it is the latest in a string of fantasy airlines created by the man dubbed Captain Lyin'air.

He has already launched Caledonian Wings - dubbed Con Air - City Connexions, SecureAir, FreshAir, TransOceanic, PegasusAir, Skymaster Freight, Trans Lloyd Cargo and Africargo Airlines.

None of them took off.

Robertson is trying to lure backers with a promise of a 505 per cent return on their investment within three years.

He is offering Lionair shares at 5p each and claims that by 2005 they will be worth 25p. Someone investing £10,000 would have shares worth £50,000 in three years.

One investment analyst said: "It is sheer fantasy in a falling market. It shows what a scam this is."

Robertson's website claims Lionair will become "the leading international force in the supply of global air cargo" and forecasts sales of £30million within three years.

But Deloitte and Touche, the company selling the 38-year-old Shorts Belfast cargo plane Robertson says will launch Lionair, denied having any dealings with him. A spokesman said: "We have not heard of this individual or his company."

Prestwick Airport, where Robertson claims to be based, also rubbished his plans. Managing director Tom Wilson said: "He does not have an office here. Once in the past we met and he's spoken to us about passenger and freight operations but we have yet to see any aircraft at Prestwick.

"So far we have not seen any evidence of aircraft ownership as far as Mr Robertson is concerned.

"We are not aware of him ever owning any aircraft or having a licence to operate any aircraft."

A senior banking source said they doubted any bank would lend money to buy the ancient plane - the last of its type still flying in the world.

The Bank of Scotland, which Robertson claims is his corporate bank also distanced themselves from the conman. They were furious he had named their corporate division as his "service partner".

The bank's spokeswoman said: "He is not a corporate customer and we are trying to contact him to instruct him to remove our logo from his website." The Sunday Mail can also reveal Robertson's fellow director, James Torrance, 64, is a retired cat- food manufacturer with no experience in the airline industry.

He lives in a flat in Troon, which it is believed he shares with his parents. Robertson is beleived to be staying in the town, too.

Torrancesaid he had the utmost faith in Robertson. He added: "I wouldn't be involved in this if I wasn't confident it would succeed."

Asked what his confidence in Robertson was based on, he would only reply: "Because I know what's happening."

Mr Torrance described Prestwick Airport as "only an accommodation address" for Lionair at the moment.

Later, his wife Joyce called the Sunday Mail to complain about our investigation.

She said: "You are the type of worm I could crush," before hanging up.

Robertson, who calls himself "The Guv'nor", went to ground last year after getting scores of inquiries from out-of-work pilots, engineers and cabin crew for jobs in Caledonian Wings.

Yesterday, an aviation source said: "Neil Robertson is a Walter Mitty character. It could seem like harmless fun but it can be harmful to people who are taken in by his claims."



[END OF REPORT]


Cheers


JH

[411A]

RV

Having flown the real Robert Vesco on several occasions in the 1960's....pilots would be the LAST to know what was goin' on...all he mentioned was...see you next time. ICC ring a bell?

Wonder if he has run out of the $225million already...probably not.:D

[cargo boy]

Have any of you seen what the guvnor is saying on airliners.net? This pilot pretender says I have not concealed - and indeed have been very frank - that my Nigerian licence was bought rather than earnt (and most certainly not forged as claimed); volunteering this information on a thread on PPRuNe a couple of years back. What can I say? I was very young at the time and some of the things I did in those days make me cringe.

He then goes on to say The Nigerian licence was an ATPL and I was the commander of the aircraft so yes, it was a uniform to which I was entitled ... leaving aside the fact that I owned the company as well.

So according to this guy because he bought a licence and he was the owner of the company he was somehow entitled to wear the uniform. Oh my god, can you believe this? He expects everyone in aviation to accept him as some sort of honourable businessman in aviation.

http://www.pprune.org/images/ndrpilotnot.jpg

Would you trust this fat child psychologist bloke in this uniform?

[The Southend King]

I see the Guv's friends on Airliners.net have deleted the thread, and any adverse reference to his airline, newspaper story or dodgy psychologist past.

Hope someone took copies.....lots of wonderful quotes on there.

[cloudskimmer]

this bloke has more front than blackpool

[tailscrape]

No,

The Guvnor is a SERIOUS aviation expert and executive. In addition to this, he is about to launch the world's answer to cargo flying, I understand that DHL,Fedex,TNT et al have decided to hold crisis talks and are considering stopping business due to the destabilising effect that LIONAIR will have on their business.......

Get a grip Guv, you are a seriously bad and unfunny joke........sad really.

[Sensible]

Interesting bloke though! Seems to know a lot about aviation but I really can't see why he is catalyst to such frenzied attacks. Ok, so what if the guy is a dreamer? what damage does he do apart from wind up some of you guys ? Does anybody have evidence that he has actually taken money from somebody fraudulently? I guess he still blaggs his way into free airline travel but apart from that, I have heard nothing to convince me that he is anything other than either somebody who enjoys living under the limelight or alternatively is a perpetual dreamer!

Surely nobody here really believes that somebody with large sums of money would actually trust it to somebody who is well known in the industry as being a non-starter and dreamer! It is also usual to invest ones own money into a project. Guv, how much of your own money do you have to invest into your project? turn out your pockets Guv and give us a rough estimate of your total worth, say to the nearest 10p

And while you are at it Guv, I seem to remember that you have neither office nor home! let us know about your current source of income. It's always been a mystery to me anyway how you find the money for your food and lodging, Does income support stretch far enough to pay for your ISP connection as well?

I can't really see why you guys want to stop a non-starter or how a non-starter can be stopped! Now here's a revolutionary idea - Just ignore him!

[Tan]

Sensible


I have to agree with you, leave the guy alone...enough written about it already.:)

[Elwood Senese]

Reminds me of a post sometime ago where he was advocating a policy of FR flight crews buying their own uniform - something about teaching people to respect property!!

Looks like he took his own advice.

If it wasn't for some of the disturbing 'non-aviation' rumour this could almost be a soap opera.

[Danny]

I have evidence of serious fraud by Robertson. Fortunately for him the institutions involved are too embarrased at being taken for a ride by him that they are trying to get their money back on the quiet.

I have evidence of the instruments he used to set up the accounts and I have copies of the letters from the institutions chasing him for the money. As is often the case, these institutions make allowances for this type of thing and they don't like any publicity showing their shortcomings or vulnerability.

I also have copies of emails from Robertson using one of his known aliases here on PPRuNe and verified through the email address where he wrote to me (unwittingly as he though I was someone else who cared) stating that he had no qualms about defrauding financial institutions "because the can afford it"!

I also have been told first hand by a witness who saw someone who used to frequent PPRuNe write a cheque out to Robertson at one of the smaller PPRuNe bashes. I know that that person has had no return on his 'investment' but lives in hope. That was a few years ago.

I also have first hand evidence by another person who has been ripped off and also had goods stolen from him by Robertson. This person is not just a joke but a serious threat to anyone who gets involved with him... and that is just his business dealings.

We also have someone who impersonates an airline pilot and also predates on the internet pretending to be a child psychologist specialising in child sex abuse. That is an altogether more sinister revelation of which more and more evidence is becoming available every day.

I have copies of CVs taken from a computer he left behind when he last fled from people who were chasing him for money. Both CVs claim that he has degrees in several subjects, one of which is child psychology. The problem is that one CV states he took his degree at the University of St Andrews and the other that he took it at the University of South Africa. Take your pick.

Robertson has never made any attempt to provide evidence of his qualifications stating that it is no ones business but his. I have offered to retract everything I have alleged and print retractions and give him free advertising for his aviation business on PPRuNe if he were to provide evidence. He has my lawyers details and my business address to serve his papers on me if he can prove I am lying.

I am not putting myself up on here for Robertson to accuse me of murder and tax evasion on other websites. His only method of answering all the allegations is to 'spin' some abstract stories with no evidence to back them up and then to attack on unrelated items in a vain effort to deflect attention from his own serious problems.

I am taking this opprtunity to use my own website to state my case and if some of you are too naive to realise the problems someone like Robertson can cause just in his business dealings, I pity you if you are parents.

If you think I and others are being harsh on Robertson then all I can suggest is that you join airliners.net and you will be amongst a small band of naive people who are in awe at someone who dresses up as a pilot but has no qualifications or the other bunch who are rabid right wingers and followers of revisionist history.

Here on PPRuNe we will not let the likes of Robertson get away with his depraved and predatory activities. This is not a joke, this is deadly serious.

[sky9]

Danny
I haven't seen you so angry for some time. I suspect that the Sunday Mail will be contacting you for more information.

[Bubbette]

It looks like the thread was restored, complete with an explanation by NDR himself.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/296847/

[Idunno]

There were people on this website who defended The Guvnor to the hilt, even when his postings consisted of grotesque attacks on our profession. I particularily remember his involvement in a thread about September 11th which made my blood boil.

What was worse though was to see regular contributors to this site cheering him on.

I would have thought that those twits had by now copped on and realised what they were dealing with.

Gentlemen, Mr.Sensible and Mr.Tan, your naiivete and lack of character judgement beggars belief.

I often wondered what sort of idiots buy into Nigerian email scams etc.

Now I know.

[GVJFK]

Hello Bubbette.

Nope the thread on airliners has not been restored, that apparently is another one where he accuses our illlustrious leader Capt Pprune himself of hacking into his account. Danny I neither know nor care if you did quite honestly. You strike me as a decent and professional man and I am sorry you and your character are been attacked by this person. For the record I think you are doing sterling work.

Heed Dannys words folks. Mr Robertson is at the very least a dangerous man to know. Extensive investigations into him online are providing shocking truths. I know you will be reading this Mr Robertson, because the flaw in your mixed up personality demands you read all about yourself. It will be your downfall. Trust me you will only go so far before your Walter Mitty world comes crashing down around your ears and you pay for your past life.

Mess with innocence and you get all you deserve.

Regards

The original Boston Belle

[Bubbette]

Thanks for the clarification GVJFK.

[Sensible]

In the absence of Names, dates and details of Neil's alleged frauds, I hold the view that he is more of a danger to himself rather than others. Maybe those considering investing in his pie in the sky schemes would be the ones most likely to benefit from the services of a child psychiatrist!

Neil would have probably made a good double glazing salesman if only he hadn't had the desire to dress up! Come to think of it, why didn't he self sponsor to actually become a pilot then you guys could have pronounced proudly that you had flown with F/O Robertson. Maybe Neil wouldn't have been happy with first officer, he would have wanted to be a captain straight away! I guess Danny joining Astreus and becoming an official Captain is what is bugging Neil!

Lets be absolutely serious here for a moment whilst we all ask ourselves whether an active businessman such as Neil presents himself would actually have the time to sit and post on the Internet all day long? I think not! My opinion is that Neil is just trying to be the big man but lacks the necessary substance.

Neil, you have answers for all of the criticisms levied at you, just answer the questions in my earlier post or are they to be ignored the same as the questions about you aviation and non aviation related qualifications?

You may have guessed by now that some people are beginning to doubt your integrity :D :D

[Tan]

Ladies and Gentlemen

I've been visiting the PPRUNE site since '97. Never have I seen such emotional responses from so many individuals who in some cases put themselves at the same level as The Guvnor. If it continues I'm sure Danny is going to land in legal trouble or worse and for what. Some nut...

Danny; Remember that little piece I wrote back in '98 about the power of the internet and the good it could do for pilots and the industry if we used it's power wisely.... IMHO why would you want to undo all the good work you've done over the years on this issue? It’s not worth it. Let the lawyers handle it. Time to take a step back and assess the situation again, just like handling an in-flight emergency.

I like PPRUNE and sure hate to see it degenerate into something for what it was not intended.
:)

[Idunno]

Sensible and Tan.

Tan Sensibly?

Some kind of double act? A hidden message?

EVERYBODY'S FREE TO WEAR SUNSCREEN

[126.9]

Frank W Abagnale, alias Frank Williams, Robert Conrad, Frank Adams, and Robert Monjo, was one of the most daring con men, forgers, imposters, and escape artists in history. In his brief but notorious criminal career, Abagnale donned a pilot's uniform and copiloted a Pan Am jet, masqueraded as the supervising resident of a hospital, practiced law without a license, passed himself off as a college sociology professor, and cashed over $2.5 million in forged checks, all before he was twenty-one. Known by the police as "The Skywayman" Abagnale lived a sumtious life on the lam- until the law caught up with him. Now recognised as a US leading authority on financial foul play...

Abagnale is now one of the world's most respected authorities on counterfeiting and secure documents. For more than 25 years he has worked with the FBI's National Academy, a program that instructs federal law enforcement agencies. He live in the Midwest with his wife and three sons.

It's all been done before I guess..? Only better!!! :cool:

[Tan]

Idunno

In the hopes that I am not lowering myself to your level, how pathetic....

[Ignition Override]

126.9: Thanks a bunch for the enlightening reminder from the 60's. Maybe the paperback reprint can be ordered from Amazon? I wonder how that guy really learned enough aviation lingo and procedures to fit into a crew's flow and checklist challenge/response patterns, not to mention fly. Maybe he had rented a 707 simulator and was almost a genius, in terms of learning curves, after having stolen some Pan Am Aircraft Operating Manuals?
How about the medical and legal procedures to portray himself as various well-trained specialists?

If you guys/gals let this thread degenerate into squabbles with each other, "the Guvnor" will enjoy his indirect influence on you and your resultant frustrations (Schadenfreude :)). Did Nigeria allow pilots to buy their way into an airline pilot job, and offer the "required training"?

Comair and Flight Safety began a similar concept years ago in the US, based on a tentative job after the very thorough turboprop FO training and an interview process, and all for about the price of a US mainline jet type rating! What a progre$$ive, lucrative deal...

[OneWorld22]

I hate getting involved with discussions on this man because you just know he loves the attention, but I agree with the need to keep warning people so long as Mr. Mitty is out there trying to sell his virtual airline. This guy is dangerous, those of you think he's just some kind of harmless Del-Boy style rogue are mistaken. He will try at all costs to fraduantly get money by whatever means, he's relatively smart, listening to him you might be fooled as he appears to have some knowledge of the industry.

I know he tried to get something sorted here in Ireland and even had the nerve to use the names of well respected airline executives and managers in his "Business Plan" who didn't even know about it. The first a CEO here knew about it, whose name was on the plan, was when I showed it to him! And PPRuNe played a very big part in exposing this fraudster and I know for a fact a lot of airline Exec's got the information form PPRuNe. If banks get taken in by him you can appreciate the danger he poses.

I was always worried for the wannabes, desperate to get employment with a commercial airline, here comes this guy promising the earth, widebody flying in a new start up with an ESOP to boot, wow! What a chance! He would have gladly taken the money and run.

So yes PPRuNe is 100% correct to continue to expose this man for what he is and warn others about dealing with him.

Keep up the fight Danny!

[126.9]

I've just read the book again. Its available using ISBN 0-7679-0538-5 if you're interested. Absolutely amazing how the guy did it; even passing the State Bar in Florida!!! :cool:

[beaver eager]

I can't get anywhere searching with the ISBN number folks, although "Frank W Abagnale" throws up a few offerings.

What's the book called please?



AFWIW, IMHO The Guvnor has spent so much time on this BB putting our profession down that he deserves everything he gets for that alone.

As for pretend Child Psycologists... It's a shame castration without anasthetic isn't an option.

[126.9]

... is the name of the book! If you search the ISBN number (0-7679-0538-5) at Amazon, that should do it! Otherwise try HERE! (http://www.randomhouse.com/broadway/) ;)

[kwaiyai]

He sounds rather like what I have heard and seen of a now extinct Flying school owner who went on to start a DC3 outfitwhich now also is finished. He also liked people looking at him. Is it me or does Aviation attract these sorts.
Cheers. :mad:

[GlueBall]

...So many owls awakened at midday. Yawn.

But now and then it's good to get worked up emotionally as such;...because one so enjoys resting afterward.:p

[PA38]

I think I have got it figured.... The Guvnor is funded by the C.I.A. To help spread mind bending drugs via his contrails:D

At least till his alarm clock goes off, but seriously:p

Many moons ago I questioned his "business plan" as an amused observer with three grams of knowledge, I got a very nasty e-mail telling me if I did not stop it he would sue me:D

HE inferred he was involved with the security services of this wonderfull country via his backer "Vauxhall cross"(MI5 are based there). When I asked a question only known by anyone with a hint of connection with the security services the answer said it all he is just a sad dreamer, hence his username on airliners.net SAS23.
The only people taken in by him are GREEDY. "A fool and his money"
But isn't that the very pepole he feeds on????????

Vauxhall Cross was one of the aliases he used himself on PPRuNe. Almost every one of the 20 or so aliases we found were used as 'different' people to support Robertson although they were all written by Robertson.

[Sensible]

I still can't believe that anybody would actually trust Neil with a hundred quid except a completely daft tw@t. Surely anybody with an Iota of common sense can see that somebody starting an airline with no assets is a completely non-starter (or is last weeks income support cheque considered a substantial asset?) The fact is that Neil doesn't have two cents to rub together relatively speaking, so surely nobody would give this guy cash to indulge his dreams would they? If he is so smart then why aint he rich? But then if he is so bad why aint he in jail?

I'd still buy him a pint just for the interest in what he has to say, he is an interesting and amusing guy. But aren't those qualities a prerequisite in business and conning anyway?

I can't help but smile at the way you guys take him so seriously!!!!!!! Hi Neil I know you are reading this, how's your ego? Fame at last huh!

[BlueEagle]

Well Sensible I don't think it is his aviation (non) exploits that are bothering most people, in fact most people are just laughing at them.

What does bother people, a lot, is the possibility that he may be masquerading as a child psychologist and offering 'help' to people who have sick and disturbed children and who are looking for a qualified professional who can genuinely help those children.

[CaptainFillosan]

Something he cannot legally and justifiably do.

He is NOT qualified and he is NOT a professional. The worst thing is that he THINKS he is. In that world of "I am everything to all people" he lives in.

He is dangerous and should be jailed.

[moggie]

Mr Robertson looks familiar - does anyone have any REAL info on his background to suggest where I may have bumped into him?

It could be that I just saw his face when I was living in Troon some time back - but I'd love to know more.....................

[Lon More]

The possibility of this clown actually practicing as a child psychologist is worrying and frightening in the extreme.

It occurs to me that if the guy was even 10% of what he says he is, he must have, in the course of his career, rubbed shoulders with some Ppruners in the past.
The total abscence of anyone stepping forward with factual support says it all for me.

However, I suppose if his links with the security services were genuine it would be a case of, " I could tell you, but I'd have to kill you."

[steamchicken]

Given the long tradition of flaky, unqualified, money-grabbing, perverted, drunken, treacherous weirdos taking Her Maj's shilling in the secret service, it's hardly impossible......but you'd think he'd know the Security Service, MI5, ain't in Vauxhall Cross....it's the Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, that's there

[stagger]

Lon More suggests he must have "...rubbed shoulders with some Ppruners in the past."

Well, he was at a London bash a couple of years back. Does anyone else remember hearing that he fell asleep on the train back to Sussex and had something valuable stolen? I seem to remember that it was his laptop. If it was this is a bit worrying for investors in his latest dubious enterprise.

On the Lionair website it is claimed that...

"Lionair and all of its subsidiary companies are 'paperless' which allows Neil to run them from wherever he is in the world through his laptop."

But perhaps it'll never happen again. On the site it is also claimed that Duncan MacLaughlin is to be the airline's "Special Projects Manager" who will be "responsible for the security of the company’s operations, assets and personnel."

This ex-drug and regional crime squad officer has apparently been "trained by the SAS in covert techniques" and has expertise in "money laundering and undercover surveillance."

A tad over qualified if his main job is sitting next to Neil on the train and making sure nobody nicks the laptop when he falls asleep after 18 pints of lager.

[newton]

Can someone please tell me why the domain www.lionair.co.uk is registered to PPRUNE?

It appears to have been registered on 16 October 2002.

Running a WHOIS query reveals these results. I ask because the Sunday Mail comes up in its place.

[Lu Zuckerman]

Perchance the Guv is in violation of trademark law. LionAir is a German company that makes high fidelity aircraft models and Lionair is an airline operating in the Far East. Incidentally, when my spell check tried to correct Lionair the suggested word was loonier.

Here is report of a Lionair aircraft being shot down by rebels:

LIONAIR PLANE SHOT BY LTTE (98 Oct 07)

The Lionair plane, which disappeared last week, was shot down by the LTTE, according to Mr. Suresh Premachandran of the EPRLF.
The aircraft which carried civilians from Palali, Yapanaya to Kolomba disappeared three minutes after the take off. Earlier for about a week, the LTTE had warned the people in Yapanaya to refrain from flying to Kolomba.

While the Lionair management has not admitted that the plane had been shot even though the debris of a plane and dead bodies have been found during the last few days. Meanwhile all investigations pertaining to the aircraft have been handed over to the Civil Aviation Authority. The government has temporarily banned all civil aviation between Kolomba and Yapanaya.
Most of the passengers in the ill fated aircraft were Tamils and if the LTTE has shot down the plane then it goes on to show that they have no concern or respect for the lives of the people whether they are Sinhala, Tamil, Muslim or any other. They are hungry for power and will not hesitate to do anything to achieve their goal.



:rolleyes:

[Hew Jampton]

Go to www.friendsreunited.co.uk, name search Neil Robertson, location Scotland, Dumfries & Galloway, click on the name that has been to about nine schools and colleges for his notes. Interesting! Name search for Giles Michie comes up blank.

[Moses Mashomba]

Moggie

Of course he is familiar, he was the CEO of many major airlines in the past and has therefore been in the forefront of the financial press. His picture as a major player has been posted world-wide. I cannot remember for sure, but I think he might even have featured once on the front page of Time mgazine in recognition of his sterling achievements in the world of aviation. I'm sure that's how you probably recognise him.

Hew Jampton

If I am correct I believe that Giles Mitchie was probably his birth name. It also appears from his search for his maternal mother that maybe she dumped him at birth, hence the change of name. Lord knows what damage that did to the poor soul.

It would be good for all concerned if swift action could be taken that would ensure security and peace of mind for all those that must be very troubled as the details of this story unfold.

edited for reasons of propriety, in case some might read my humour more seriously than it is intended, and therefore miss the underlying seriousness of the message that all here are trying to put across.

[ORAC]

Newton,

The Lionair site belongs to Danny. To quote him from the Guvnor thread in Jetblast:

"I own the domain lionair.co.uk and if he wants it he will have to make an offer for it. In the meantime I thought I'd re-direct it to his website through a translator to give some true feel to the type of person Robertson is and the kind of dealings he is involved with. He could of course sue me for it but then he'd have to appear in a court of law and I am fairly sure he wouldn't really want to do that because all sorts of other nasty stuff would have to be answered under oath with the threat of perjury should he forget where the reality ends and the fantasies begin".

and

"In due course I will point the domain to something that will really alert the public, and not just the aviation community to just how corrupt and devious Robertson is".

It would appear from your comments that he considers the Sunday Mail article a suitable point.

[whisperbrick]

Aviation seems to attract these sados.....

danny's absolutely right on this and what i find annoying is this prat dressing up as a captain at an airport...with the hightened security these days there should be laws against impersonating pilots

I believe this is the case if you dress up as a serviceman .....

[PocaHostie]

Look ...... (Forgive me for sounding like a patronising Git...)

However...comma... Mr. Robertson has continued to talk a load of unsubstantiated rubbish since the day he first set foot in this forum....PERIOD.. (sorry for shouting)...:(
AND (more importantly) very few individuals of PROVEN integrity and with a verifiable track record in aviation generally... have striven to negate his justifiable villification on this (and other) forums in recent memory.

The way I see it.... He as everything to prove..... He villifies Danny at his own behest.. and strives to construct detrimental comments towards our Forum gaffer without constraint...ALL of course from his own very large mouth and with nothing substantive behind it.

Yet Danny has ALWAYS been above board and continues to perform his duties to the best of his ability in order that we (confirmed... AND validated) professional aviators have a Forum to be envied throughout the cyberspace world.......... Notwithstanding the the above...... I think it's time that we PPruner's just stopped giving Robertson an excuse to continue his diatribe...!!

At the end of the day... aviation is a very small place.... I was born and bred in Scotland... and acquainted either through myself (or family) with all of the major players in aviation that hail from that part of the world ...... AND I can assure you that Mr. Robertson's name is not one of them
................. (The Burn's Night's in the Gulf are the best in the world ..... bye the way...!!!!)

So why don't we all just put the word out............!!!! and get ourselves shot of this jackass............!!!

[jet_noseover]

what i find annoying is this prat dressing up as a captain at an airport...

Relax chap... It's his Haloween costume. Notice the laddie (or young lady) next to him pulling away, hiding the candies?:p

[slj]

PocaHostie says "However...comma... Mr. Robertson has continued to talk a load of unsubstantiated rubbish since the day he first set foot in this forum....PERIOD.. (sorry for shouting)..."

Thinking back over postings made by Robertson two or more years ago, I seem to recall a number of PPRune posters being very respectful to him. This was the time he was talking (some will use stronger language) of setting up the Tristar airline.

More than one member made responses such as Good on you Guv, What do you think Guv etc.

So before it becam obvious that his airline was a fantasy there were PPRune members taken in by him, albeit for a short time.

Seem to me the warnings and the strong stance Danny is taken is justified as this man, to those who don't know of him; is plausible to those who have not previously encountered him and his activities.

[Rescue3]

...the sooner this sick individual is locked up the better...
i am still curious about Birmingham, it was alluded to in a previous thread...........

[Ludwig]

I may be mistaken but I think I read somewhere on one of the many links that have been provided during this story something about Birmingham Prison, but I cannot be sure and I really cannot be bothered to go back through them all to find out which one it was. Still this is a rumour network :D

[moggie]

MI5 - now known as the Security service - is located in Millbank, London (suspiciously close to Labour Party HQ!).

Try www.mi5.gov.uk

For some reason, MI6 (SIS) do not have a website!!!!! They are based at Vauxhall Cross (as featured in the Bond films lately).

[newton]

Thanks ORAC

That explains it. I went to the the Lionair website to see what all the fuss was about and it came back with the article that lead me to it in the first place. Its a strange world. :cool:

[Lon More]

On a lighter note, looking at his photo, you could never call him two faced - 'coz if he was, he wouldn't be wearing the one he's got:D

[cargo boy]

Looks like Niel was a busy boy. According to this thread on airwhiners.net he was on the Concorde that went to Oshkosh. http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/954420/ Funny that because according to his own bragging he was at the University of St Andrews 1988 doing his MA in Child Psychology. He was also in the University of South Africa in Pretoria at that time doing the same degree! And he was CEO of Transoceanic Airways in Lagos in 1988. And he was CEO of Chieftain Group Plc in Reading UK in 1988.

Busy boy considering we havent even mentioned the extracurricular activity he was probably doing as a post-graduate Child Psychology student. No doubt doing practical studies into his speciality subject, child sex abuse. :mad:

They let anyone on Concorde these days.

[J-Heller]

Now that its becoming clear on all the forums that he's really quite screwed in the head, you wonder how long his Ego can last out, without its usual topping up via supporters!

I wouldn't be surprised if this guy Robertson caves in, or more worryingly, blows out. Where does the guy actually reside? Does anyone know?

Might be a place to avoid in the next few weeks if enters meltdown!

The poor ****!


JH

[EMB Bras]

I havent really been following this thread, but this caught my eye in the "Dunnunda" forums...

Anything to do with the bloke in question??

Absolutely nothing. Which is why I have removed the link. It is pure advertising.

[Final 3 Greens]

EMB Bras

As mentioned several times before in threads related, Lionair in Sri Lanka is a licensed, operational, airline and not related to Lionair Holdings plc or associated companies.

[BOAC]

With mounting excitement, I wait for this weekend's papers:eek:

[Paterbrat]

Having followed the Robertson saga during my entire time with Pprune and having at first sympathised with the 'Guv' and intrigued at the passions he arouses I have over quite a long period of time come to make up my own mind that Danny is not exagerating.
The man is beyond a joke. He appears to be a person who will deliberately mislead and misrepresent himself with the intention for personal gain. He appears not to be a harmless Walter Mitty rather than someone who will use his undoubted knowledge of the profession to misle people into believing deliberate untruths for the purpose of his own financial advancement. A conman by any other name.
People have been taken in by him and he would appear to prey not only upon gullability but the better nature of people who will give him the benefit of the doubt. There are always some of those. I guess most of us are suckers at heart, a shame to see that there are always those who would take advantage of that.

[Johnny 7]

Anyone else notice this in the appointments wanted section of last weeks ( 22-28 Oct ) Flight International :

"AIRLINE MANAGER

37 , proven success record in Schedule and Charter Airline Business, looking for new challenge in Commercial Director or Director Sales and Marketing of a regional, Low Cost or Charter Airline worldwide. Special strengths in pricing and distribution, Change Management, Optimising Cost/Revenue Ratio, Route Development . Complete CV available ..."

Any similarity with our friend must surely be coincidental ? ;)

[Bubbette]

Wow you guys are good!

[Deeko01]

Oh well another weekend goes by and still no Belfast!! can't say am not surprised! anyone on these forums ever around Southend at all, has there been any activity of G-HLFT???

[pants on fire...]

Although the Guv has remained uncharacteristically quiet on the failure of his own inability to produce results, this does not stop him pontificating about the capability of others - in this instance Delsey Airlines (although the entire commentary bears a remarkable similarity to the content of this thread ;) ).




sas23...

Pressclub, I'm with you on this. From the outset, this company was a joke. Who in their right mind would design their fleet around the aircraft that their son in law can fly? :rolleyes: Who would not have a proper business plan, prepared by experts, that they can gauge their performance against? :rolleyes: Who would not have a proper reservations system in place, backed up with an extensive marketing campaign well before lauinch? :rolleyes: Who would not even provide onboard catering and inflight entertainment on a longhaul flight? :rolleyes:

What a bunch of monkeys! :D :D :D
More crap from the Guv aka. sas23 (http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/958525/6/)

Unfortunately you have to pay to use this other forum, (so the Guv will be keeping his "existing, free" identity for a a long time, I'm sure). Also you'd have to spend all your time with adolescent spotters and sychophantic neverbees, like the one in question here.

[Moses Mashomba]

In the words of Victor Meldrew..."It's UNBELIEVABLE!"

Have you ever heard so much sanctimonious drivel? Sas says...

<you don't seem to appreciate that it is because of FvG's complete and utter lack of any airline management credibility that Delsey are in the situation they are today....This is the third time he has started an airline...and the third time someone had to step in and take it over...The guy is a bobejaan> end of quote

That was reported as posted 19:35 04/11/02

This guy is truly unbelievable!

Questions and Answers for NDR;

Q1. What airline management credability do you have?
A1. None whatsoever, and certainly less than Mr FvG, because he did at least set up a REAL airline, not one virtual, ficticious one.

Q2. He has started THREE REAL airlines...How many REAL airlines has NDR started?
A2. Zilch....NOT ONE! NADA!

Q3. Has anyone yet had to step in and take DElsey over yet?
A3. Not gone titsup yet, or so I believe, but there again, in your case, If you haven't set one up, nobody can step in to take it over! Another one up to FvG.

Q4. What ius a bobejaan? Does it climb trees or hide in burrows dug in the ground, like all real SAS troopers are taught to hide and avoid capture?
A4. Eagerly awaiting answers. NDR, do us a favour and get an alter to answer these here, cause I'm dying to see how you handle this latest.


Mrs Meldrew is calling...."coming darling"...Toodlepip

[Sean Dillon]

I'm with Moses...

Come on NDR....defend yourself....we're all dyin' to hear from you....

Do prisons have internet access, wouldn't be great to hear from him while he was serving at his majesty's pleasure.....and everyone elses..!!!!

[maninblack]

Regarding the comment some while back in the thread about contact through business, my business was contacted regarding products for an airline (I cannot remmeber which one but it had a Prestwick number)

Luckily by the time the reader reply service card reached me that telephone number was unobtainable. I then did some internet searches and started to discover things similar to this thread.

Had I actually succeeded in flogging all the way to Prestwick for a meeting I would have wasted an airfare and, had I been taken in a little I would have also wasted many thousands of pounds in development work for zero possible return on the investment.

One or two fantasists like this can destroy an otherwise sound small business.

I have since advised all my business associates of the name of the person who made this fantasy enquiry.

[sky9]

:) :) :) :) :) :D :D :D
http://www.geocities.com/ba747236b/LionAir_London.html

[Just an other number]

Try this one
and know why pprune is preferred

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/294589/

[Desk Driver]

To think I used to defend this man in the early days.......................................I've been such a fool.:o :o :o

[Anti Skid On]

The Guv claims to have been at Cranfield - there must be someone on Pprune who currently is working or studying there. He claims (on Friends Reunited) to have been there in 1997 - can someone check the validity of this claim and then inform the Pro-vice chancellor of Cranfield (or whoever is the boss!) I am sure they would prefer not to be associated with a charlatan.

[SAS23]

Yes but under what name? Still, surely they would remember a self opinionated motor mouth even after 5years.

[KoolKat]

http://www.cranfield.ac.uk/coa/tech-atm/atm-3i.htm

So far all we have here is innuendo and third party hearsay. Not one single hard fact that shows that the Guv has conned anyone or done something unspeakable with someone's kiddies. How about Danny getting the ball rolling by naming the person he says he saw giving the Guv a cheque at a Bash?

[btmtdi]

And how about you crawling back under your rock or back to Airloonies.net, Neil ?

[bounty]

"KoolKat", that ain't him; it is some poor unfortunate that shares the same name (as you) :p

[Tosh26]

Air Transport Management MSc Research Thesis Topics
Academic Year 1996/1997

Neil ROBERTSON (1996/97):An analysis of the effect of franchising on the UK-Domestic and UK-EU markets

Is this our man or is he an innocent bystander?

Anyone on the Cranfield course care to comment?

[Danny]

From Neil D Robertsons CV circa 2000:

CHIEF EXECUTIVE YEARS EMPLOYED (EX: 1996 - PRESENT)
AFRICARGO AIRLINES JOHANNESBURG, SOUTH AFRICA

Leased and operated a number of aircraft on routes from Southern Africa to Europe. Acquired Translloyd Cargo Corporation of the British Virgin Islands, which owned four Canadair CL44-D4 swingtail aircraft. Evaluated the possible takeover of African International Airlines; and drew up a proposal for the flotation of the company on the South African Stock Exchange.

Designed and produced the Africargo Airlines website.

Also from Neil D Robertson, this thread: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=nroptima.22.00080911%40iafrica.com made 26th September 1996 from South Africa.

...and...

...this thread from Neil D Robertson, this thread: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=nroptima&start=10&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=52693d%245rs%40kragar.kei.com&rnum=14 made 23rd September 1996 from South Africa.

Just so as you do not confuse the two, the email address is the same as well as the boasts about being a pilot (Robertson has never studied, been taught or examined for ANY professional pilots licence).

To confirm that Robertson claimed to be working as CEO :rolleyes: of Lionair Limited in South Africa read this post: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=nroptima&start=20&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=nroptima.25.0008DE57%40iafrica.com&rnum=26 made 3rd October 1996 from South Africa.

Just so as there is no confusion, this post was also made by Robertson, searching for his birth mother. It is the link to his preadoptive name Giles C Michie: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=nroptima&start=20&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=nroptima.28.000BCF5A%40iafrica.com&rnum=28 made 11th February 1996 from South Africa.

So we come to the link of Neil D Robertson aka Giles C Michie and Africargo airlines in this post by Giles Michie using the email address of [email protected] here: http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/message?forumid=6443&messageid=944390506 made 5th December 1999 from ? The Ip address isn't resolving but if someone can find out where 194.78.100.68 is. I think it might be Belgium.

What is also disturbing are the claims made by Robertson posting as 'Ceilidh' on airliners.net where he states:My former girlfriend, Arina van Aswegen - whom I have referred to in the past on here as my "psycho ex" - set herself up as a Y2K consultant in early 1998, and did contract work for a major retailer, a local banking group and a global IT firm. However, she lacked many of the skills that she claimed she had, and after being fired by all three of her clients she was subsequently sued by the retail group for breach of contract and damages after causing serious damage to several of their software systems.

Her deteriorating mental condition - I later discovered she was diagnosed as being a paranoid schizophrenic and detained for some time in a Johannesburg mental hospital - caused the collapse of our relationship. I was in Gabon with one of the CL44s when she finally went over the edge - demanding that I bail her out of her suit with the retail group; harassing the wife of one of my partners and deluging me with abusive faxes and emails. When I told her that our relationship was now over, she said that she "would destroy me"unless I changed my mind or "I would regret it for the rest of my life".

Around two months later, I was contacted by the SA Police who said that she had reported finding some pornographic drawings on a desktop computer she claimed that I used. I was able to satisfy them that the computer was hers, not mine - as my computer had multiple security systems which prevented her from gaining access - and that on the date the drawings were saved onto the computer I was in Uganda with my partner and an associate. I was told later that the police wanted to charge her with perjury, but the State Prosecutor's Office decided that they would be unlikely to get a conviction based on her mental state and that the file should remain dormant.

As can be seen by the dates he quotes that in early 1998 he was in Gabon. :rolleyes: You can read the whole thread at http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/337981/ but please be patient as it takes a while to load. In that post you will realise that Neil D Robertson has a penchant for lying and pretending to be something he isn't. He posts as Ceilidh which he has never denied and we all know that he posts as SAS23 but pay a lot of attention to the posts by Lawyergal. It is a very interesting read if you can wind your way past all the spotter type posts in it.

So, decide if Neil D Robertson aka The Guvnor and countless other identities did ever attend Cranfield.

[SAS23]

Perhaps Lawyergal can dig you out of this one Neil otherwise it's time to flee the little old Marwell House flat maybe?

These Gods on PPRuNe, so many questions, all they want is answers. and you can only offer bull sh*t :D :D

[Danny]

SAS23, please stop posting. You are clouding the issue. The address in Margate is where Robertson was staying for nearly a year. He fled from there. He also registered his companies there, without the knowledge of person who was putting him up. He also registered for the voters register at that address, twice. Once with his current name and once with his pre-adoptive name. There was intent to deceive as he registered both names as directors of one of his fraudulent companies.

To also prove fraud, here is a link to a page from an archived website from Africargo days. http://web.archive.org/web/19990210092959/www.transoceanic.net/lvl223.html and if you scroll down you will see Robertson claiming: "Neil D Robertson - Group Chief Executive
PO Box 22860
Helderkruin
1733

Started in the airline industry with Laker Airways before buying into a cargo airline. Operated intercontinental services with two Boeing 707s and a DC8. He holds an ATPL and has in excess of 4,000 flying hours."

A total lie. Have a look at the website, some of the pictures no longer load but you will get the gist of it when comparing it to all his other previous and current websites. They all involve 'raising substantial sums of money'. Considering Robertson has lied so much about his background, qualifications and experience you must question his honesty when advertising on the web.

You can see some of the archived websites at http://web.archive.org/web/19981202183843/www.transoceanic.net/index.html and at http://web.archive.org/web/19991004034037/http://www.africargo.com/ where you will see Robertsons usual style and technique in website development. Also, his last post before fleeing Africa: http://web.archive.org/web/20000123084022/cca-airlines.com/page4.html

Just do a bit of research and find out how much Robertson was actually involved. How much money he dealt with and where is it all now? It still amazes me that there are seemingly intelligent people who believe that Robertson is some kind of aviation guru and is able to set up airlines and has the capacity to raise money!

[Tosh26]

Danny

Whilst NDR, aka The Guvnor, irrevocably shows himself to be a consummate mountebank (OED. n. itinerant quack appealing to audience from platform) and charlatan (OED. n. false pretender to knowledge or skill, esp. in medicine), the link to Cranfield provided by KoolKat on 6 November is intriguing in that it appears to show a genuine Cranfield Air Transport Management course member list with associated thesis topics, for the academic year 1996/97.

Is the Neil Robertson listed on the site, The Guvnor or is it someone else? If it is him, then is his apparent participation in the course a further smoke and mirrors illusion, or is he genuinely a mountebank and charlatan with an MSc in Air Transport Management?

PS I understand the course to be post graduate. What was his undergraduate degree?

[Evanelpus]

When I told her that our relationship was now over, she said that she "would destroy me"unless I changed my mind or "I would regret it for the rest of my life".


Anyone thinking what I'm thinking?? Maybe his ex partner is posting both here and at airliners.net claiming to be the Guv in an attempt to both destroy and discredit him. Now that would really be a woman scorned, what fantastic revenge!!

[Captain Stable]

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[Unwell_Raptor]

Am I the only one to be totally sick and tired of The Guvnor, aka Neil Robertson, aka a couple of handfuls of other aliases, together with all those who are so exercised by the man and his deeds or misdeeds?

There can be nobody unaware of Robertson's business background by now. Anybody who wants to do business with him does so at their own risk. Any other allegations about him, if they involve lawbreaking, should be reported to the police. Wild accusations are all over my favourite website, and I am fed up with what could be seen as a witch hunt.

Let's get back to aviation, and topics related to it (except JetBlast of course!)

Please - everyone - let the whole business wither on the vine.

The Guvnor is an ex-parrot - he is no more.

[PA38]

I must agree with Unwell Raptor, all we are doing by talking about him is stroking the ego of an unwell man.

Would'nt it do him more harm to ignore him:D

[Kaptin M]

23284 hits for this topic! :eek: That would HAVE to be a record, wouldn't it?

Incidentally, I thought that the sort of stuff going on here was the reserved for the convicts in the Dunnunda forum (and usually wrt the "Dispute").
Must be in the blood!

BTW poodleair (Neil, I assume), you really descended to the depths of depravity with your (now erased) post. Pretty stupid, really, and did a lot more to DISCREDIT YOU than anything else posted here.

[IFTB]

yYs, I also have seen, heard, written, read enough of this.
let's get back to aviation subjects.
The man obviously wants this attention.
AND WE ARE GIVING IT TO HIM!!!

Pretty stupid of ALL of us.

Final word on it: :D

[PPRuNe Towers]

The threads regarding NDR are clearing marked as such. It is entirely your right to ignore them or criticize them.

While aviation has always been an unwilling home to more than its fair share of scam artists and ne'erdowells this is a case of one using modern communications to both to defraud and feed a seething, sick ego.

Therefore we reserve the right to use the same medium to expose his activities and, make no mistake, we will see him in court.

[Unwell_Raptor]

It's your trainset, Rob. I'm just unhappy that this oaf has managed to get so far under the skin of Their Pruneships that it is adding a sour note to the world's best aviation (remember aviation?) website.

I shall never mention any of this again, I promise.

[Danny]

Tosh26, the Neil Robertson who attended Cranfield is NOT the Neil Duncan Robertson aka Giles Cecil Michie, born 5th October 1965, Kirkcaldy, Scotland.

The Guvnor found the name and decided to pretend it was him. From the posts I made earlier, with all the links that show Robertson was in Africa at the time of the innocent Robertson was taking his course in Cranfield. The Guvnor has never attended any university although he claims degrees from St Andrews, The university of South Africa and Cranfield.

How much more information do you need to realise that The Guvnor is a crook and a pervert? He has no problem lying about degrees he never received, his forged pilot licences, his business failures, his perverted pretence to be a child psychologist specialising in sex abuse and his neo-nazi sympathies. Do you not get it? Do you think I like having a predatory pervert post my home address and phone number on the internet because I am having fun doing this? He is right now posting my details on other websites, especially ones where he has a following of ultra-right wing thugs and paedophiles who are desperate to protect their activities.

Robertson is in a corner because of all the information that is becoming available about his secret activities and he is desperately hitting back. I don't mind taking the brunt of it as long as people are aware of what he is doing. I would not bother taking that sort of risk if I didn't have the evidence. I have passed what I have to the appropraite authorities and no doubt Robertson will be dealt with by the courts in due course. In the meantime he will try and smokescreen to deflect attention from his own exposure.

[Evanelpus]

Danny

If the going ever gets really rough for you, I know some 'associates' who would happily help you out. They really enjoy their work and guarentee results.

Private e-mail me at any time.

[btmtdi]

Most of us are right behind you on this Danny - if anyone has a problem with these discussions all they have to do is not read the thread - how difficult is that ?

[Sensible]

Very difficult given the length of it! :(

[PAIFAgofer]

Anyone notice that on the "pilot recruitment" section of his website that he had ripped off everything from EasyJet? The factoered hours thing, the lot. Just Sub L-1011 for 737 and its all there. What a tosser.

[Bubbette]

I don't think the point is giving the guy attention. I think we all are getting a kick out of watching a man self destruct (in addition to warning others to stay away).

[upperecam]

To ignore people like this man is to allow all the worst aspects and elements of human nature to destroy any joy and happiness that can be found in life. NR is a predator, thug and sh 1 t despicable person. Please continue the excellent and justified hunt of a creature who is beyond contempt and drive such people from any place they can harm children and demean a better world.

So, OK, I'm biased. With good reason!!!!!!!!

[OneWorld22]

Christ this is really getting serious, I'm sure in the begginning we all just thought he was a Walter Mitty "Del-Boy," a harmless old tosser with delusions of grandeur. But it appears he's much more then that and actually is a very sinsister person. Again Danny and co. are quite right to keep warning people about him. I didn't know he was associating with Neo-Nazi thugs, I knew he was anti-semitic after the crap he posted post 9-11.

Be careful Danny and co.......

[Bubbette]

This is what I just read when I tried to access the profile for "SAS23" on airliners.net:

No Such Member SAS23
There is no such username registered in the Airliners.net discussion forum.


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[solotk]

Looks like Johann grew a pair :D

But I suspect Neil is simply suspended, unless he had his account "hacked" again? lol

[JB007]

Rob / Danny,

I'm with you all the way on this one.....the quicker Robertson is behind bars the better...

[ATC Watcher]

Just read the backlog posts. What a sick person he is. I remember the first discussions with him on this site : the Afrigargo CEO, the CL44s, the LET the L1011 versus DC10. He fooled me for one I must say. Then the lawergal/Guvnor heated debate, where he mixed up his posts sequence and exposed himself as beeing behind both names .
I was not aware of the pressure he puts personally on you Danny.
You have my full support as well. Let,s hope the courts will stop his activities.

[JPJ]

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but as more and more people join in making allegations against this man on PPRuNe the chance of a conviction (if any offence has been committed and if any charges are brought) will recede. A defence lawyer could make a lot of what has been posted here.

Prudence would be a good watchword for anyone who really thinks that there might be a case to answer.

[GVJFK]

Danny.

I am disgusted that anyone could post your name and address on such nasty websites. you have my support all that way for what its worth. You are a decent and upstanding man who has answered all that has been asked of him Same the same cannot be said of Mr NDR/SAS23/Poodleair/Koolcat etc etc.

Best of luck

[Lu Zuckerman]

Persistent flaming........Warning Level 3...........8 Points

:D

[Bubbette]

Is that airliner.net guy that naive?

[Danny]

I am pleased to say that Robertson has now been banned from posting on airliners.net. The fact that I too am banned does not bother me as I only used it to counter accusations made by Robertson against me.

The matter is now in the hands of the police and my lawyers so I am now closing this thread. If anyone has any more evidence as to Robertsons past or present fraudulent, criminal or perverted activities, please email them to me at [email protected] All pertinent information is also sent to the appropriate authorities.

Thank you to you all for the support and to those who urged caution in this matter as well as to all the people who provided information and links to the 'smoking gun' threads. It has taken its toll at a personal level with my privacy having been eroded and the incitement by Robertson for anyone with a grudge against me for having lived in Israel and served in the army 27 years ago to come after me personally. Also it has taken time and effort as well as money to provide enough warning to anyone gullible enough to fall for Robertsons deceptions, and believe me, there are still many out there.

Hopefully any future installments will be about the results of all investigations and any prosecutions.