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Redfx
21st Oct 2002, 17:34
Hi, not sure of the exact details, but yesterday, sunday october 20th, an Air france A320 nose wheel collapsed while on an airbridge in Paris CDG. Anyone know what happened?

AtlPax
22nd Oct 2002, 05:09
Some photos here (http://radiocockpit.com/galerie/view_album.php?set_albumName=album34). :)

N380UA
22nd Oct 2002, 06:38
If ya'll could take the horseplay elsewhere, so that those interested in what is happening in our community dont have to scroll down to the last entry to find out, wed appreciated.

Now, any info as to why the nose gear collapsed?

acm
22nd Oct 2002, 16:06
It's looks to me like a non-stabilized approach ? ;)

LRdriver
22nd Oct 2002, 16:34
nah, twas the 24stone women from the virgin thread.. :D

Volume
23rd Oct 2002, 06:10
non-stabilized approach ?

must have been a good show taxiing from the runway to the gate with a trail of sparks :D

Any information if it happens on arrival ? Probably not during pushback if no tow bar and no vehicle is visible on the photo.
Maybe applied park brake befor full stop and overloaded a failed locking mechanism which stood so far ?
Or did the co accidentially move the gear lever when getting of his seat ;)

A and C
23rd Oct 2002, 07:18
this has happend while the aircraft was stationary , the nose gear has retracted into the bay , as the nose gear doors are open it would seem that the hydrulic power was ON as this is needed to move the doors (except for maintenance ).

This seems to rule out failure of the nose gear structure.

I would guess and it is only a guess that a miss-positioned shuttle valve directed hydrulic PX to the retraction line.

Shuttle valves can get mis-positioned during some maintenance tasks such as checking accumulator pre charge PX . the BAe 1-11 could do this very thing if after checking the nose wheel steering accumulator pre charge PX you did not put the nose geer lock in when you put the hydrulic power back on.

NoJoke
23rd Oct 2002, 08:16
Volume - be careful. You picked on a Co - you may get censored by a Moderator. ;)

PENNINE BOY
23rd Oct 2002, 18:27
Drove past the Airbus on stand,plenty of engineers running around.

Later seen being towed with all the Air France logos and reg no blanked. No doubt our french cousins will go on strike about the incident:

pigboat
23rd Oct 2002, 19:48
Zut alors!!:eek:

Out Of Trim
23rd Oct 2002, 22:52
If You look carefully at the pictures you can see that the Jetty was on the aircraft at the time of the nosewheel collapse as witnessed by the L1 door having been almost torn right off.

I think in future I'll walk around rather than under aircraft on stand - Just in case!:confused:

Nopax,thanx
25th Oct 2002, 08:55
Is it just the angle from which the picture was taken; or are the engines actually resting on the ground.......?

If they are - :eek:

gofer
25th Oct 2002, 15:02
Don't think there is any space under the engines.... wonder if they just touch or take some of the load ... ???? wonder if the designers ever though of that - anybody out there from the bus yard ???

M.Mouse
25th Oct 2002, 16:23
According to a person I spoke to at CDG yesterday it was a mistake by two engineers.

Hands up anybody that has never made a mistake.

panda-k-bear
25th Oct 2002, 18:14
We all make mistakes.

Just not usually of that magnitude.

What with this bus and the Mesaba 14sick, I'd never realized just how strong these jetty things actually are!!! They certainly seem to win all of the arguments.

yankee charlie
25th Oct 2002, 22:59
easy are you sure you want to buy Airbus?

Jape Stobbe
26th Oct 2002, 17:07
I say,that'll be the last time I kick the nosewheel on my pre-flight check!

wallabie
27th Oct 2002, 10:07
Pancka

From what far away planet do you come from ??? Selfrightousgalacticapatroniza ???
" Not of that magnitude " hey ???
Smell the coffe mate ! Should I draw you the list of MAJOR f.....s involving major carriers that were of such magnitude that they led to major loss of lives ???
Now think of that next time you get your toush in an airplane.
Allow me God not to be around as a pax.

By the way it was 2 ground engineers who were working on the aircraft and appear to have forgotten some very important part called PIN. I'll convey them your very kind words of support, fuzzy brain.

panda-k-bear
1st Nov 2002, 19:38
Hello wally-bie, fuzzy brain here. :D

If your company is in the habit of usually making mistakes of this magnitude, then could I please not fly with them, or that's all I'll be thinking about when my "toush" (whatever that is) is in one of their seats. Is this why my bags never make it with me when I pass thru CDG? Or why they get destroyed if they do make it with me? Hmmm.

To anyone else who doesn't take comments about this not being a normal mistake personally, can they confirm if the door's been destroyed on the aircraft as well? Looks like that's a -100 as well, so if engines trashed and fuse damaged, a write off surely?

What_does_this_button_do?
1st Nov 2002, 20:49
More photos (http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=F-GFKB)

PAXboy
1st Nov 2002, 22:38
Covering up the titles and reg seem to make no sense at all. If they thought that it would prevent identification by the news media, then that is impossible! (Even if they had covered the tail!) :rolleyes:

flyblue
2nd Nov 2002, 16:31
I was there when it happened, on an aircraft parked nearby. I spoke to a couple of the engineers who were there and they said it was an engineer's mistake. The engines were not damaged though, just the L1 door and the nose gear and well.