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Pilot Pete
9th Aug 2001, 02:17
Early last year I posted my story of how I ended up in the rhs of a 757 with JMC. As the training progressed I added a couple of update posts and after these some people suggested the full story from start to end in one post would be a good idea. So here it is. It's also a tester to see if any of you think it would be worth sending it to Pilot Magazine as was suggested last year. Comments more than welcome.

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A ten year career as a computer operator with British Gas and the offer of voluntary redundancy due to privatisation cutbacks got me thinking about my future career. I’d had it good up ‘til then, nearly £40k for very little, a nice 1 bed flat on the outskirts of London and the freedom to do whatever I wanted.

The money was a factor. £20k to leave, but I knew that due to yearly increments in a nationalised industry my salary had escalated to twice the market rate for the job. Compulsory redundancy on much less favourable terms would follow, so I took the leap and thought I would survive and have £20k in the bank.

It was May 1996 and I had been using the professional resettlement services afforded to BG employees and came up with the great idea of I.T. recruitment. I could do that. Ok it was mainly commission but I knew about I.T. didn’t I?

What a change of scenery. Instead of the 3 x 12hr shifts per week I was expected to do five days.......urghhh! On top of that I had to commute on the train into London Bridge. My God. After several years with the TA where I had learnt to become an Arrest & Restraint Instructor, PTI and Recce Platoon Commander, my patience was severely tested by this bunch of animals from Middle England. I wanted to ‘lamp’ every one of the buggers within a couple of weeks!

During this change of scenery I had met Suzie, an Independent Financial Advisor who was going to show me how to ‘consolidate’ with my new found millions!

The recruitment agency was just a fine place to work...................if you had no ethics. I was expected to tell the biggest no-hoper and the highest-flyer (no pun intended) that I had the perfect job for him/her, and to tell the biggest employers that I had the perfect candidates! It just wasn’t me. Now the guy sitting opposite me on the desk was inspirational. Well sort of. Let me paint the picture.

Tim-Nice-But-Dim. That was him. Bloody hilarious without knowing it! Can you believe that he didn’t want to do this job for life either? No, he had much grander plans. He wanted to be a commercial pilot!!

He pulled from the drawer a glossy brochure from a training school at Cranfield............”let’s have a look”, I asked.

That was it. I hadn’t had the boyhood dream or anything like that, but as I read further into the leaflet it was like a shining light leading the way.....no crap, that’s the best way I can describe it. It hit me like a bolt of lightning. This is what I wanted to do, this is what I was cut out to do, and this is what I could do for the remaining 30yrs of my working life and enjoy it.

The enquiries started and within the month I had left, after discussing it in depth with Suzie; I needed her support for the ‘year or so’ of training that my £20k would fund. Well only £5k short according to the brochure!

Trial lesson at Biggin Hill in August 1996 with said company. All they appeared interested in was my cash, and £6k of it at that for a PPL! They even sold me a bloody logbook on the day to ‘log’ my first flight! Took a look at Redhill where I found the most helpful of instructors hanging around who gave me 2 hrs of his time to take me through all the options and routes to a CPL/IR, first stage being a PPL for £2300 including NVQ! I did my PPL at Redhill.

First flight October 1996 after all the background information had been checked etc. Then came the bad weather.

Suzie had moved into my 1 bedroom flat and let her 2 bed out to bolster her wage from the House of Fraser. Then came the news that almost changed everything. We were expecting a baby. I’d have to go back into I.T. and earn a wage, it was over before it had even started.

After many heated discussions we decided that our relationship would be all the better if I stuck at what I really wanted to do. February 1997 and 5 hours in the logbook................it was like starting again, and I’d been at the airfield 5 days a week 9-5 and weekends if I could get an instructor. March saw the weather change and I polished off the rest of the hours by the end of April. What a feeling. I was a pilot.

May and June saw the IMC course through. All was in place for the birth of Harry on 23rd July. My hour building was booked for 30th in Florida for 1 month at Naples Air Center................what could I do? Put it off? Suzie went to her parents just before I went to the US and she had maternity leave for several weeks. Now really was the ‘least worse’ time to go.

100hrs of flying to every airfield in Florida saw the hour building completed along with the 300nm x-country qualifier by the end of August and back I came to nappies and bottles and groundschool at London Guildhall.

Suzie had to go back to work when the maternity leave was up so we needed a childminder. “HOW MUCH?” “£100 per week and that’s cheap?” my god! And then you have to find one who is suitable. We saw dozens and settled on a grandmother who was in it for the love of it and not for the money. She was just perfect.

The routine started. 14 weeks at Guildhall, oh no, not back on the London Bridge route again! September to Christmas saw us swapping the chore of driving Harry to the childminder, leaving the car and walking back to the station to go up town. Study in the evenings and weekends, play at families and remain happy in our one bedroom flat.

Christmas was spent at Suzie’s parents with me staying on the extra week to study in peace before the Nav sittings in January. I put so much work in, 14 hours a day head in books. And Suzie, back at home playing the working single mother. God bless her. And Harry? throwing up a lot at the worst possible times – in the car en route the childminder.

Tech course was booked at Guildhall for March, so when my results came through for the Navs I was more than happy with 8/9 first time. I gambled on not doing any climatology for met theory and got 69%. ****. I elected to resit the met after the Techs.

April saw me do the Night Rating at Leeds/ Bradford which was fairly straight forward.

Being quite technical I enjoyed the tech course, only six subjects helped somewhat too! Life was continuing but becoming more and more abnormal. Harry was throwing up more often and we just couldn’t get a nights sleep to save our lives. He’d have his milk and an hour or so later bring the whole lot back up and get so distressed. Suzie caught me one night holding him up and asking him after hours of no sleep “what the f*cks the matter with you?” I felt terrible. We’d taken him to see the doctor several times and spent fortunes on different types of milk on their advice due to a perceived allergy.

The tech course finished and I had a week to prepare for the exams. Back up to Staffordshire for some quiet study to cement that knowledge. This was broken 2 days before the exam by a frantic phone call telling me to come home now as Harry had been admitted into hospital. Suzie had been on her way to the childminder, rushing as usual in the morning and Harry had just started vomiting and didn’t stop until he was almost unconscious. The GP’s was just round the corner and that’s where she headed. He was sent straight to hospital.

By the time I arrived he had already been moved on to St George’s in Tooting SW London. Here I was with no car, on public transport trying to get there as quick as I could. 8 hours from Brum to Tooting. Suzie was in a state when I got there. They didn’t know what was up with him but the ultrasound had showed up an abnormality. 2 weeks later his childminder ended up in the same hospital diagnosed with cancer. She never came out. God bless her.

5 weeks later I was still sleeping on the hospital floor due to no facilities being available for parents, but now we were in King’s College, Camberwell. The poor lad had had every test known to man and was been fed through his jugular vein. He had lost so much weight. My techs? Who cares at that point. I phoned the CAA and cancelled ufn.

It turned out Harry had a pancreatic cyst which had never been operated on in the UK before. We had him Christened the day before his pioneering op and shed many tears over the next couple of days in intensive care. As babies do, he recovered very quickly from the operation and has gone on to make a wonderful recovery. My techs? I cancelled the May sitting and sat them in June along with the resit. Getting them all in one go felt like a triumph over adversity.

At this point money was getting pretty low and it was decision time again. BCPL and instruct or BCPL/Upgrade. The sales literature got the better of me and we decided it would be best to get the licence as quick as possible. If we could have afforded a PC I might have found pprune earlier and got some opinions!

OATS was chosen after looking at all the 509 schools for both BCPL and then the Upgrade. Redundancy had gone, shares were all sold, 16v Calibra went for an old Passat Estate and the BCPL/upgrade and LOFT would need £15k remortgage and £8k career development loan.

I rented a room for £50 a week in Kidlington and travelled up and down each weekend on the ‘Tube’, cycling to the airfield each day to save money on the bus fare! I ate pasta and rice and became a hermit. BCPL took from mid August to early October 1998. The GFT was in my opinion the hardest flight test of all. I was so pleased to pass it.

The Upgrade course was immensely enjoyable, 80hrs to do a twin/IR was a doddle, but the test was still a nerve wracking experience. Everything depended on it. I had no money left if I’d got a partial or fail, and I mean no money. When I sailed straight through the Chalo hold after 5 minutes airborne I thought I’d buggered it up, and to recover from that took some hard work. The main thing is I didn’t bugger up putting it right, and as I headed toward Daventry I was swearing at myself inside trying to ‘kick myself up the arse’ and put it out of my mind. It worked. I have not flown an ILS or NDB as well as I did that day since. As the examiner took it on the roll at Coventry we climbed away and I couldn’t believe it that he gave me a full pass. Yippee! They tell you that, then give you 1 hour worth of debrief where I think he just talked straight through me. I just couldn’t concentrate with excitement. I wanted to get that CV out and await the anxious calls of all those Chief Pilots calling me to interview!!!

We were all on a high and between the end of Jan 1999 and into Feb I completed LOFT and got my shiny blue licence issued.

I soon came back down to earth with a bump when all I got with my 50 odd cv’s were 3 applications and nothing else. Oh dear. Now what? Suzie and I set a cut-off of two months before I had to get more hours. Instructing was the only option. What about the money? Old credit card from the BG days came to the rescue.

Decided to go to Teesside as I could get free accommodation not too far away. Throughout the month of May 1999 I completed the course whilst looking after Harry, various relatives taking him throughout the days when I was training. Each night I would come back, feed him, clean him put him to bed and prepare my following days briefings/ lessons.

I was 2 hours from completing the rating using an AFI/QFI upgrader for practice lessons when the CFI asked him if he would be interested in flying a C310 doing the ‘Flying Eye’ for Glasgow with a company called Edinburgh Air Charter. The CFI knew the Chief Pilot very well and was often approached for potential pilots. I was dead envious that this 1000+hr instructor was being offered this on a plate and the job would lead onto full IFR charter work in time. I was amazed when he turned it down because it was in Scotland! The CFI then asked if I would be interested. Damn right I would be. When, Where, and Who do I speak to? Drove up for an interview a couple of days later and went for an impromptu check ride and nearly fell off the sofa when the CP offered me the job!

Started in June 1999, originally just to do the ‘Eye’ to free up the line pilots for the charter work, but as my training progressed the CP (and owner of the company) realised that my instrument flying wasn’t as bad as he would have expected for 280hrs (they’d never taken anyone with less than 700hrs before) and continued the training onto the C402 and C404. Three weeks later there was I going single crew into Heathrow with 9 pax in a 404. Wow! It was fabulous.

Two months later my world nearly fell apart when the CP and his co-pilot were tragically killed along with several Airtours crew in the Glasgow accident in the 404. I was shocked. Deeply shocked. We all were. I’d just had 2 days off and gone back down to London to see Suzie and Harry and walked back into the office to be met with the news that the 404 had gone down. I couldn’t quite believe it. I’d flown it only a few days before.

There was I, 300 odd hours, 2 months experience, one of only two people in the office facing a growing hoard of the nations media. It wasn’t pleasant.

The accident was devastating. Could I continue my short career being so close to this tragedy? Suzie couldn’t handle it. She was down in London trying to work, look after our child, sell a flat and deal with this, oh and of course she was now pregnant with our second. We didn’t operate for a couple of months and this gave us all time to deal with our thoughts. A lot of talking and reasoning went on and we all decided we wanted to continue our work and build the company back up.

I shall never forget those who died that day, one of whom gave me my first break in aviation. R.I.P.

The work started again and I went back onto just 310’s for a while and took things at a lot slower pace, building the confidence back up before going back onto the 400’s. The hours built steadily, we sold the flat and Suzie and Harry joined me in Scotland. We spent a very happy year in Dunblane, Edward arriving early in October 1999 whilst I was on an ‘islands’ trip. I rushed back, drove up the motorway to the hospital and missed the action by 15 minutes! Will I never be on time?. We got married in August 2000 and moved on to rent in Dunfermline.

The honeymoon week saw me post off a CV to JMC as I’d heard they were recruiting and asking a minimum of 700hrs. I now had nearly 900 of which 700 odd was multi/IFR. I called and mailed, called and mailed and called and mailed over 4 months trying to get an interview. I was on the verge of giving up as I’d heard that the recruitment was to end before Christmas when a last ditch attempt with a CV emailed to the ‘man who counts’ on a Friday night with a follow up call on the Monday lead to a call back and request for interview. I was over the moon. I’d completed MCC at Multiflight in November and went on a days interview coaching for pilots. It did the trick. Passed the interview and arranged for the sim assessment for the New Year. Spent nearly £900 on a couple of hours practice at Gecat and had a crack at the check-ride. It took 6 days to get the result. I honestly did not know what the result would be. You just can’t tell. A pass. Medical to go, no probs, job offer two days later. I’m there. I’ve done it. Type and line training to go and I’m there.....the rhs of a 757. Life felt so good on Friday 25th January 2001 when that phone rang, and it still does. If you see me in training you won’t be able to miss me, I’m the one with the beaming smile from ear to ear........................


The training started sedately enough with a number of days down at Gatwick doing SEP's, LVP's, Performance, CRM (more of it!) etc etc. Three weeks on the 75 tech course followed, I joined the CTC cadets at Dibden near Southampton for their PC based interactive course. It was more like water torture going through 70 odd sections each with 50-100 ‘slides’ with a droning yank giving the spiel. Not much fun at all.

One week at Cranebank in the fixed base sim then 3 weeks in Brunei on Royal Brunei Airlines 757 full motion sim was much more my cup of tea. As anyone will tell you who has completed base training on a large jet it is by no means ‘in the bag’ because you’ve got this far, it took four hours of hard work in the sim each day with at least six more in preparation by way of reading, learning and rehearsing drills and procedures. Sadly, two of the cadets did not make the grade, which was mainly down to the high standard that CTC demand and were sent home early without completing the course. Finishing the Line Skills Test felt like a huge weight being lifted from your shoulders.

Due to the large number of pilots in training at JMC and the overstretched Training Captains who were all teetering on the brink of 900hrs in 12 months it was several weeks before the circuit training could be completed. This was both frustrating but quite handy as it gave us more time for house searching in Cheshire. We had been driving up and down the M6 a couple of days at a time in the hope of finding somewhere to base ourselves within half an hour of Manchester Airport.

We’d put offers in on three houses over 5 months which had all been accepted and then we’d been gazumped. It really was depressing and a very sad reflection on the modern day British Citizen I felt.

I was cheered up somewhat though when I got the phone call to be in Manchester for the circuits. I drove all the way down from Scotland only to fly back to Prestwick for some ‘bumps’ then drive all the way back from Manchester the following day. Who cares though, I would have driven to Timbucktu for that treat!

I sat in the right seat for the first time on the ramp at Manchester. Not only did I sit there, but I took control once the Captain had taxied us onto RWY24L............
"You have control"
"I have control" of an 85 tonne 757.
"JMC757T, the surface wind is 230/5, you are clear take off RWY24L"
I call for 1.2EPR to be set, releasing the toe brakes. The captain calls "stabilised" and I reach to press the 'EPR button' on the Mode Control Panel. The auto throttle spools the engines up to the derated take off power and we start to roll. Off we go accelerating to V1, Vr and I pull back on the column at 2.5degees/sec, the nose wheel lifts, and then the mains.......I am flying a 757!!!!!!! Boy does it go with no passengers on board! We're climbing at 4000ft/min, on up to FL210 and off to Prestwick for some circuits! Wow, this is just the best.

No time to think about it at Prestwick as we go straight into the first circuit from a touch and go. Whoops, thousand feet, lower the nose, pull back the power, follow the noise abatement and start the crosswind leg. Start the level off in the turn with the flaps retracted to ‘flap 5’ and the speed at vref+40kts. Well that’s the theory. I was 200ft above circuit altitude and 20kts too quick and fighting against the old pitch/power couple! Just about got it sorted as we went abeam the downwind threshold and then it was time for gear and flap 20 and start the watch. Turn base to final at 45secs +/-wind correction, take flap 30 and get on down the hill at 700fpm. Roll out on finals and there you are, right of centreline and with 4 whites! Get it sorted and this one’s a full stop, landed off the centreline but didn’t crunch the mains on, relaxed the back pressure like in light a/c and thought the nose wheel was going to come through the floor and join us it hit so hard! Hmmmn, must remember that next time round. All in all did my six landings and improved with each of them to the point that I was more than chuffed with the days work. The training captain gave me some praise and the Chief Pilot (who was on the jumpseat ‘signing off’ the training captain, just to add a little more pressure!) penned his words of wisdom in my training file. He was very complimentary and I felt this just capped things off as far as I was concerned. I left the cockpit as the next lamb went to the alter and spent the rest of the flight familiarising myself with the forward galley!

Yet again we put in an offer to buy someone’s house and it was accepted. The house had just come on the market that day and was put on at £5k less than the agent had valued it at in order to get a quick sale as the owners had already found another house to buy. It was a four bed detached built from reclaimed Cheshire brick around ten years ago and really was very nice. We felt good about the vendors as well who appeared to be from the old school and the chap (ex-farmer) said his word was his honour.

The weeks started to tick by again and still no start date for the line training. Most frustrating. Then came the news that the CTC trainer who had skills tested us was not authorised to sign off JMC Operator Proficiency Checks and we would have to go back in the sim to be tested again by a JMC trainer. Arrrrgghhh! Six weeks out of the sim is not the best build up for an OPC and we were all a little worried about it. We needn’t have been as the trainer was very understanding and we’d done the book work refreshing all the requirements and he could see that and used the session as a check with an introduction to some more complex ‘failures’. That said we still had to make the grade.

A tick in all the right boxes kept me on track for the ‘elusive’ line training which didn’t start for another three weeks. The house purchase was going through with pressure being put on from further up the chain to exchange quickly or the deal would be off.

I have to thank my sister in Bradford who put up with me during my initial line sectors (it’s not as far to Manchester from Bradford as it is from Dunfermline!)

It’s generally acknowledged that continuity is the key to successful line training and the lack of this factor does make it somewhat trickier. I viewed it as unfortunate but just a business problem that affected me, that I had to overcome. Forty sectors minimum was the requirement and I was determined to be ‘signed off’ in that time to get another ‘completed in minimum time’ comment on the training file (good for the future!)

The sectors started to come closer together towards the end which was much needed and I was ready for the final line check with no real problems except the usual lack of consistently good landings. I’d even been lucky enough to have experienced some lightning strikes during my training in the hold at Lanark! Can’t say I’d recommend it to anyone though! We were struck on the ray dome which lit up the whole front end, and on the right engine nacelle. The controller was maxed out at the time with so many a/c all refusing headings due to the weather. Needless to say, we left the hold on a heading of our choice and informed him of it! Upon hearing our news he cleared us direct to Glasgow.

The house move went smoothly enough, I was lucky in that I was working for two days before and again just after so got away with not doing any packing!

Final line check on Thursday, so wish me luck and if you’re going into Gerona at around 17:50z I make no apologies for following the procedure and not going visual, I have too much riding on it!

I think the moral is, if you want it enough you can do it, but don’t think you’ve made it until you have.

Pilot Pete.

P.S. Was it worth it all? You bet it was.

Good Luck Wannabes.

[ 11 August 2001: Message edited by: Pilot Pete ]

F3
9th Aug 2001, 03:20
Absoluteley superb! Very well done.
You MUST submit this story to one of the flying mags!

Iain
9th Aug 2001, 04:05
This was great readin, really insirational! Best of Luck on Thursday!

humpty
9th Aug 2001, 04:17
That was the longest post I've ever read on any bulletin board - and brilliant! Well done, mate.

Since you ask for constructive criticism, only comments I would possibly make is add in something about your age, sort out the couple of typos and think about whether the couple of mini-swears are appropriate for whatever magazine you send it to (not saying they're not, just that I don't read flying mags - I'd rather do it than read about it! So what am I doing here at 1.15am??????!! :rolleyes: ).

Really, no bull, excellently written and really enjoyable to read.

Eno
9th Aug 2001, 04:18
You really must submit this to some mags.

Such inspirational stuff. I've lost count of the amount of night shifts that your postings got me through.

This is just the sort of thing wannabes want to read in pilot magazines.

You da man PP!

Good luck with the final line check.
Eno

Right Seat
9th Aug 2001, 06:34
Great story PP!! An inspirational read.
Enjoyed reading your updates as you progressed from day 1, and you have put the whole story together extremely well. Can't wait to see it in a magazine.

Good luck on Thursday, and look forward to reading about it :D

Steepclimb
9th Aug 2001, 07:52
Gawd I hate happy endings. Where's the tragic twist at the end.
It'll never sell. My version is the story that never ends.

;) ;)

[ 09 August 2001: Message edited by: Steepclimb ]

Si
9th Aug 2001, 10:45
PP,
Excellent post, keeps the fire burning inside me to keep on.
Its nice to know what actually happens once you get to start line training, as I think most of us think once you get the letter back from the interview and sim check that you'll be starting line training that thats it, you've done it....but oh no you haven't still loads to do.

Great, thanks again.

Tarmach
9th Aug 2001, 12:15
Excellent stuff Pilot Pete! Having read your story may I ask why you looked at the 509 schools and finally picked OATS to do your BCPL/upgrade? Do you think this helped in anyway??

Thanks
Tarmach.

NewBloke
9th Aug 2001, 12:37
Really good read PP. I do agree with Humpty however.... I don't suppose you could give us an indication of age from start till finish could you !?!?

NB

Si
9th Aug 2001, 13:27
PP,

I forgot to ask you something, when you got the nod to commence line training at what point did they start paying you? Did you have to try and live on the bear minimum to get by or were they paying you from as soon as you got the "we would like you to start on such a date".

Thanks again.

Megaton
9th Aug 2001, 17:16
PP,

I've been struggling all morning to stay focussed and motivated whilst preparing for the ATPL exams next month. Whilst PPRuNe is a distraction your piece is an excellent reminder of why we are here; thank you.

PS What's a "ray dome"? Couldn't find it in the PPSC notes. There was some discussion of radomes but that sounds rather boring. Perhaps, the 757 is equipped with some sort of death ray?

G SXTY
9th Aug 2001, 21:18
Thanks Pete. I'm a whole 16 hours into my first log book, and I know its going to get an awful lot harder, but your post is inspirational stuff.

The more I read of stories like yours, the more determined I become that one day I too will fly wobbly circuits in a 757. :D

Keep the reports coming!

Pilot Pete
10th Aug 2001, 05:17
Right then, in order;

Humpty - Thanks, that's what I wanted to hear, the swear words have been ommitted from the original in 'Word' and it does look better (even if it's not as accurate an account of what went through my head when I stood on the ramp and looked up at the 75 for the first time!!!). The couple of typos were quite a few and it probably needs reading through by the missus now as I've been through it a few times and can't see any more. Ah yes, my age. Well as you can tell I'm rather bashful, but I'll add it in to the original and let you lot work it out for yourselves (I was born in March 1967).

Tarmach - I looked at the 509 schools as I thought that getting the CPL/IR issued asap was my best move (ie at 250hrs as opposed to 700hrs non-509). I chose OATS because Prestwick had bad weather, I'd never heard a good word said about Cranfield and they were the ones who wanted to stitch me £6k for a PPL and the one at Bournemouth had such old aircraft that a friend of mine had spent nearly 9 months trying to get his upgrade finished! So from that point of view it was an advantage, but don't believe the 'it'll look good on the CV bull'. It doesn't make the slightest difference. What does make a difference is how many hours you have total time and the quality of those hours. Oh, and by the way, give my regards to Guilford; the wife used to love shopping there!

Si - If you are taken on 'direct entry' you are paid from the day you start, no matter how they use you. If however you join via CTC you are not paid until six months after you officially start (which I think is after sim training is complete) They do pay the CTC cadets Flight Duty Pay and expenses which you can support yourself on, but only just.

Ham - By ray dome I mean the nose cone on the pointy end which houses the weather radar, so you may well have found another typo! Death rays are only issued to training captains and above..............

GSXTY - hey, less of the 'wobbly', I like to refer to it as 'temporarily unstable' :D

Right Seat
11th Aug 2001, 07:50
Hopefully WWW or Scroggs will put this in the "Wannabe Archives" for future wannabes to read. :)
Well done PP

Pilot Pete
11th Aug 2001, 09:29
Just got back from the final line check......they've seen fit to let me lose without a training captain next time! What a flight though - Reported at 3.40pm to be airborne for Gerona at 4.40pm. Found that there was a problem with the radio kit (once all the pax were on) and called the engineers. To cut a long story short we eventually got airborne at midnight!!!! Yes, it certainly was a big 'hello' to summer charter ops! No, that wasn't a whinge, I still love it.

PP

Delta Wun-Wun
11th Aug 2001, 09:39
Well done Pete.Onwards and upwards. :D

Murray_NN
12th Aug 2001, 00:16
What a story!

Its a perfect example of how much you want something and the lenghts you are prepared to stretch yourself to get it.

Well done Pilot Pete.

You are an inspiration to many who have read your incredible story.

Exxcellllent!!!!

salapilot
12th Aug 2001, 00:45
Pilot Pete
Inspiring series of events
Just one thing (by the way this is salapilots wife here) you forgot to end your story in full - a dedication to your supporting wife for putting up with/coping with/carrying on with/getting you through all the tough times. Its hard work you know supporting a wannabee!!
Congratulations on the births of Harry and Edward - and of course for your new career with JMC. All the best to you all for an easier future!

window-seat
13th Aug 2001, 16:30
Nice one!

Say hello to Capt. Chafer for me!

(any chance of a jump-seat ride - pretty please with bells on)! :D

fonawah
21st Aug 2002, 14:09
Pilot Pete,
That was absolutely amazing! That is just what us wannabies need. I know everyone says "follow you dreams", "listen to your heart" etc etc but to read about someone who has gone through and made it is just so inspiring. I am also in a similar position as you were before you started. I WILL be here oneday posting my story of how I became an airline pilot.
Well done to you and best wishes to your wife and 2 kids.
Fonawah :)

When your story is published please let us know which magazine/newpaper it is in.
Cheers again
Fonawah

icebox
21st Aug 2002, 16:53
PP

Well done mate!! Truly inspirational. This post definately belongs in the Archives.

Your wife Suzie is a magnificent person. I think without her support, things may have been very different.

Best wishes to you all !!

Icebox.

Wee Weasley Welshman
21st Aug 2002, 17:46
There no longer is a Wannabes Archive as all posts are stored forever now we have a CRAY VI running PPRuNe.

Pilot Pete - That is without doubt one of the top ten posts I have read on this forum in my many years here. Thank you.

Also congratulations. Your path seems to have been harder than most and you should be very proud of yourself and your family for sticking to it.

Wannabeism has a distinct element of Greek tragedy to it. I have heard several stories like that of Pilot Petes. Nice guys who work so hard against such huge odds. Sometimes they never make it. Contrasted with others who go from school at 18, via a cadetship to a flag carrying 35 year career, without seeming to give it a second thought.

All part of lifes rich tapestry I guess.

I would think the guys at Flyer Magazine might be interested in publishing your opus Pete. I can arrange a contact if you like.

Cheers,

WWW

DoleBoy
21st Aug 2002, 22:06
PP Superb stuff, It has inspired me to write something similar.
hopefully I too will soon be at the big stuff stage of my chosen career, but for now instructing is great fun. Anyway good luck for tomorrow and I am sure it will all go smoooothly.

Regards

DB

P.S Hmm I suppose I should be InstructorBoy now

:cool: :) :D :p

Tight Slot
21st Aug 2002, 23:15
Bloody hell PP if you can post that amount of posts in the summer, then your roster can't be that bad! Sleep when you can is my policy!

PS - 757's are good fun to fly but look out for sonic cruisers!!!!

BrettInLJ
22nd Aug 2002, 11:11
Great story! I am a career changer from the IT industry as well and it is indeed inspiring.

It would be great if you could post this as an article on http://www.jetcareers.com

There are a lot of wannabees from the States on this site, and there's also a forum just for career changers.

Thanks for your words,
Brett

TheNavigator
22nd Aug 2002, 22:12
PP,

In one word - "BRILLIANT"

Whenever your nick shows up in the forum, there is always good reading involved!

Thanks for that!

Good luck!

simon brown
23rd Aug 2002, 13:59
PP

I have to say this is the most inspirational post ive seen on this site for a long time , and it appears that your preseverence has paid off. Theres a saying isnt there, that if your patient you always get what you want in the end...

I too am in the IT industry and have been wanting to pursue a career in avaition since a was 17 (rejected by the RAF on eyesight grounds). I am now in my comfort zone earning good money , company car , house etc etc but am bored beyond belief ,and to be honest have been put off somewhat by many of the posts on various forums in pursuing this route, 9/11 etc etc etc.

Due to my current circumstances, this has tipped the balance for me personally and am now determined to take strides to pursue my goal.

If under your circumstances you can do it , then I certainly can (newly single , 60K equity in a property plus some savings)

If I wore a hat I would take it off to you big time,and agree with others that your post should be published in "The Flyer etc

The very best of luck in your career....

SB

:D :D

IanSeager
23rd Aug 2002, 16:41
Pilot Pete

Could you email me?

[email protected]

Thanks

Ian

Wee Weasley Welshman
23rd Aug 2002, 22:53
Ian, thanks, that saves me the bother. Please print this. It may not be snappy journalism but it will hit home with thousands of your readers..

Cheers

WWW

tailscrape
24th Aug 2002, 08:23
Pete,

As both you and I know, that is not quite complete! We have been in the thick of all sorts since those heady days in summer 2001!

You gonna tell the rest?

Lunch on Tuesday could be a winner mate, my missus just "humphed" and shrugged the shoulders when i told her. That is a positive sign!

Matt

Tight Slot
24th Aug 2002, 14:25
Guys, use the phone or text! Its much quicker. Anyhow, you've set a precedent now so - bbq round my gaf tomorrow Matt if you're around, then the pub quiz.

Arh chat rooms hey?

Pilot Pete
24th Aug 2002, 20:27
I'm not sure how this all got raised again, for those who have not seen it before, check the dates out on the last few posts; we have jumped from August 2001 to August 2002!!

I did update here (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5230) this is it for those who couldn't be bothered to click the link!;


Here we go again then?

Where did I leave you all last time? I think I was extolling the virtues of flying the 757 on line. Nothing has changed in that department. She’s still the beauty she always was. She hasn’t changed her colours, moved the goalposts or dropped me right in the clag!

Life however, has a strange way of biting back, just when you least expect it.

With the line training behind me I really started to enjoy the life as a First Officer flying holiday charter. I’d spent my time giving my all to my employer, delirious at being able to carry these passengers to and from their holiday destinations. I sat in the cruise going over the ‘recall’ items whilst the captain read the Daily Telegraph. I knew my technical knowledge was my weak point so I’d committed to brushing that up on the ‘long’ sectors.

Suzie and the boys had really started to appreciate the hard slogg that we’d all been through to get where we were. The mortgage was a huge stretch on an F/O’s salary, despite our substantial down-payment, but I knew that cometh the ATPL cometh the £10k pay rise, so we’d gambled in the rising market and found our current house which would save us moving again for a few years at least. Poor Harry deserved a bit of stability for once in his life having moved house three times in as many years. He was becoming a bit of a serial ‘play grouper’, never staying long enough to be recognised anywhere!

September was a big month for more than one reason. Harry started school at what can only be described as the ‘ideal’ primary school (within the state system). It’s two miles out of town in a little village called Marton which boasts the oldest timber framed church in England, down a country lane, surrounded by farmland with Friesians leaning over the fence chewing the cud in the playing field. He was smaller than just about every other child due to his illness when aged one year (all covered in previous postings!) and this was the first time that we’d really noticed it. He was also very shy and his natural character is to be unwilling to try anything that he perceives to not like………………………..…99% of which he subsequently finds to be ‘excellent’! School was no different. A number of days crying his eyes out into mine or Suzie’s leg at ‘departure’ became the norm for a week or two. Being the cold hearted father that I am I found it a lot easier to walk away mumbling “he’ll be fine”. As it transpired I was proved right and he was. He was very advanced academically but very restrained socially and school has proved the best thing for him.

The second reason for September proving to be a big month was for the reason that does not need stating in aviation circles. Like Kennedy being assassinated I will always remember where I was on September 11th 2001. New life was due to be delivered yet again in our household, for the last time I hasten to add! Suzie was pregnant with our third, due in march 2002 and things had not gone to plan. I recall a ppruner who’d said how lucky I always was, being in the right place at the right time (with regards to employment I guess), but it didn’t feel like it on September 11th.

Two months earlier in the pregnancy Suzie had gone for a routine scan and they had found an ‘abnormality’. It was called a Neucal Translucency, which is a thickening of the back of the neck in the foetus. They don’t know what causes it but know that it can lead to a number of very unpleasant problems. We were sent to Manchester for a scan on a more powerful machine and to take a biopsy of the placenta to see what was happening and try to pinpoint any problem. The appointment was booked for September 11th at 10am.

We arrived at the hospital having dropped Harry at school and enlisting the mother-in-law to take care of Edward, parked the car and wandered into reception. Suzie was very worried, as was I, but it’s different for a mother-to-be and nothing I could say would have really helped. We were seen and then sent to another department to have a quite painful sample of the placenta removed for chromosomal testing. As we walked round into that department we checked to see what all the nurses were watching, hands on mouths, on the television.

Some time earlier the first aircraft had smashed into the WTC. CNN was live on the BBC. All we could see was the burning tower, oh my God what a terrible tragedy I thought. Little did I know what effect the unfolding events would have on the lives of so many people.

Suzie was incredibly brave during the very nasty procedure and we walked out surprised to see people still crowded around the TV. Another quick glance and they were saying that a another aircraft had crashed into the second WTC tower. It still didn’t really register with me the impact that this was going to have. We drove home frightened about the possible events that the test results could be laying before us. Down's Syndrome was the most likely if a chromosomal disorder was found. If clear, no guarantees could be given with still an increased risk of abortion, genetic abnormalities including heart disorders and a host of other increased risks.

By the time we reached home Suzie had to run through the debrief with mom and I felt a bit left out so put on the TV and thought I would follow the breaking news.

My God, I could not believe the tragedy that was unfolding in front of my eyes. The first tower dropped as I watched intently, followed by the second, I was lost in this horrendous screenplay, my mind diverted from my own mini-drama.

It didn’t take long for the UK airlines to latch on to this downturn that the market was ‘bound’ to experience and for those who’d messed up prior to that date the perfect excuse was there. By October we had a new MD who was brought in to ‘save’ the airline from this make or break situation that threatened the industry itself. He was full of good rhetoric and impressed with his maiden speech about how tough times were ahead but he would steer us and save us with his ruthlessness.

Within a week I found myself on a shortlist for redundancy. Costs needed to be cut and I was one of those costs. It was a kick in the teeth that I didn’t need right then.

Negotiations started through Balpa and the statutory 90 days began on 2nd November. Towards the end of October I was frantically trying to find someone who would provide me with payment protection insurance for the mortgage. At the time we decided we just couldn’t afford it, but now we just couldn’t afford not to have it. A broker tried but found that the companies were cherry picking and not touching anyone in the aviation industry. A colleague put me on to another broker who secured me a deal starting on Nov 1st with a 90 day ‘no cover’ period. Phew.

Christmas approached and we were determined to enjoy it, being the first in sunny Congleton, but the axe over my head left me always thinking about other things. My first revalidation in the sim came around very quickly and I took a good few days out to put in the required work to achieve a decent grade. I flew the profiles well and got the required ticks. My weakness was not being forceful enough with my captain when he deviated from the required STAR. Lesson learned.

New year came and went and my winter roster showed a sad lack of flying – 3 trips in December and 3 in January. Apart from the fact that I could do with the hours this type of roster creates added stresses at home. I always seem to be under her feet, I can’t afford to join a gym or anything else, I’ve painted everything that moves at home (and plenty that doesn’t) and spent far too many hours checking the latest negotiation position via the Balpa forum and Pprune.

As we stand today I have a one-on-one with my base captain this afternoon – another step in the legal process and I expect my redundancy notice in the post imminently. I still can’t see the justification for my redundancy, especially on a cost basis when you take into account relocation costs and type rating costs (all those to be laid off are 757 rated and those at the closing bases who are more senior are A320 rated), but hey, no one said life would be easy……………. don’t I just know it.

I just want to fly, professionally, with a determination to succeed and do the job as best I can. I don’t want to be involved in all the politics, but unfortunately it comes with the territory so the cv’s are out and I’m looking for a carrier who’ll just give me an easy time whilst I give them exactly what they want.

It doesn’t get any easier Wanabees. Good luck.

PP

which brings things slightly more up to date, but things have moved on considerably since then also, as Tailscrape alludes to. All I can say is watch this space..........

Thanks again for your replies, I'm glad the story has helped encourage many of you to 'keep on digging' once you've appeared to hit rock bottom!

PP

Spit15
26th Aug 2002, 09:14
Nice to see the good guys do win.

onedaymaybe?
29th Aug 2002, 11:42
I have not had the opportunity to fly for a commercial carrier yet, although I remain hopefull.

I have had however similar events happen in my life, such as a 4 month old son end up in hospital ( 3 hospitals in fact by the end of it all) just as I was about to do my ATPL's and have had to delay and re-brush up for my exams.

I too have had to spend 6 weeks at Kings College hospital lying on the floor by my sons bed, not knowing what his future was to be, whether he would come out of hospital or not.

The fact that he recovered was the best thing that could of happened in my life, and all the examinations and flight tests took on an air of insignificance afterwards, I had my son back and that was the most important thing.

I think what you have written has been great reading and having seen some of my own life in your story, I can only feel great respect for what you have gone through,

Pilot Pete
30th Aug 2002, 13:41
onedaymaybe

I thank you for you kind comments and your post certainly assists those who are struggling with the ATPL exams to keep some perspective.

I wish you and your family continued good health.

PP

Bovey
12th May 2003, 05:18
:ok: Icebox, thank you for your kind words, one doesn't realise how much support it takes for somebody training to be a pilot except when one meets other wannabees that have had support that wasn't prepared to stick around, and there appear to be a lot of stories like that about.

;) fonawah, best wishes to you too with your training, work hard and it will pay off... eventually.

:D salapilots's wife - one would think PP had done it all on his own, but I guess it isn't me that has a shiny blue licence, feels like it sometimes though. I take it you are where I was a few years ago. The thing is I had a dream too and I didn't want to marry a shotblaster! plus he is not bad looking and is able to cope with my pmt (just).

And we have since had our third and last healthy baby, little Thomas who has just started walking.

Admittedly my story is somewhat different since there was a ton of support from both sets of parents my eldest brother and his sisters so I guess we have all done our bit. It certainly helps to have a supportive family especially if there are children involved.

And if Pete had not worked as hard as he did and took every single opportunity and meticulously thought about every single option that became available for the various bits of training it would have worked out differently, I'm sure.

Thank you everybody for all of their very kind comments and I wish you all the very best of luck to achieve your dreams. If you want it enough it will happen.

Kind regards

Suzie
x

LawMaker
8th Jul 2003, 10:33
pp.

I'm the newest wannabee on this forum and was guided to your post by some helpful ppl on the chat forum.

IT to Lawyer to ... Pilot hopefully.

I've got your age at starting. 29 as opposed to my 31.

Could you please elaborate (in detail) on the cost of the training you had to pay for, from start to finish, as my basic research suggests I can scrap any chance of sponsorship at my age.

A bit scary though to pay £xx,000's without any surety of a job at the end of it.

Thanks in advance PP

(and also to the friendly crowd here. Not the pompous legal sharks I'm used to.)

Pilot Pete
8th Jul 2003, 21:29
LawMaker,

I think all in it came to about £50k, which was everything attributed to the training; ie. flying training, CAA fees, travel expenses, accommodation where necessary, books, groundschool courses, equipment (headset, CRP-5 etc etc), but did not include the loss of earnings for two years and everyday bills which still needed paying like mortgage, utilities, council tax etc etc. So I suppose you could say the true cost was much higher, but there again, no matter if I did it or not I would still have had these bills to pay.

There is not a lot of point in me giving you a full breakdown of costs/ fees as the whole system has changed since I trained and you will find answers to the 'how much' question if you use the search facility, with much more up to date costs (which I believe are considerably higher under JAR.)

It is an awful lot of money to outlay without any guarantee of a job, but that's the nature of the beast and you are right in thinking that sponsorship is a non-starter for you at your age. It boils down to how much you want to do it. Many of today's pilots in the UK have gone down this well trodden path selling the shirt off their back to get to the point of being employable with the airlines. It takes a dedication that will stand you in good stead. Times will be tough and you can't expect to waltz into a jet job on as much money as you currently earn as a lawyer. Some people spend years trying to get into the position I am very lucky to be in now.

I do wish you the very best of luck with whatever you choose and the whole thing was certainly worth it from my point of view.

PP:ok:

VFR800
9th Jul 2003, 20:00
PP,

Top man, an inspiration to all wannabe's. :D

Pilot Pete
9th Jul 2003, 23:46
The last instalment is acually here (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90216)

PP

Bovey
10th Jul 2003, 14:34
Lawmaker,

One other thing PP seems to omit on every single post he ever makes is that he would have found it a lot more difficult training if he had been on his own, financially and emotionally. He had tremendous support from myself from when he left work to when he needed another £15K to pay for the upgrade, plus I was there paying his mortgage and bills etc.

I do know a number of people that started off training with a supportive partner and had to complete it without one.

I also know plenty of pilots that at the point of them starting an airline job owe at least £30K to their parents/ bank / overdraft/ re-mortgage, etc.

One cannot justify the money it takes to pay for the licence without knowing if there is anything at the end to repay the debts and have a successful airline career. I think the figures are for every pilot that trains only 10% move on to successful airline careers so statistically the odds are against you.

However if you believe you can do it then you have to go with your gut instinct and believe that you are going to achieve your goal. It takes as much effort in getting a job as it does to get the licence, believe me there are not many airline pilots that have had a smooth ride into an airline career. But rest assured if you don't do it, it will probably be one of the biggest regrets of your life. The old saying 'nothing ventured, nothing gained' is completely true and if you want life without risk then I would stay being a lawyer (no offence intended).

In any event I wish you and all of the other people out their training to be pilots all the luck in the world and to remember that when you think you have revised enough for exams, and practised enough of your flying and are absolutely exhaused mentally then you need to do it some more.

With kind regards.

Bovey

invisiblemoon
10th Jul 2003, 14:53
I think the figures are for every pilot that trains only 10% move on to successful airline careers so statistically the odds are against you.

I really hope for all wannabe including me that the numbers are better than you said.

Pilot Pete
10th Jul 2003, 16:51
Not sure where the missus got that 10% figure from, but I was told by a CAA guy that 75% of the people in the exam hall when you sit never go on to get a commercial flying job............... The number who get a frozen ATPL with IR and who eventually get an airline job is substancially higher. Everyone I know from training is now flying for an airline.

PP

invisiblemoon
10th Jul 2003, 17:03
The number who get a frozen ATPL with IR and who eventually get an airline job is substancially higher. Everyone I know from training is now flying for an airline.

:ok:

My moral goes up, I go back to work now !

TheHustler
25th Aug 2003, 03:31
Gosh! That post took me as long to Read as it did for you to complete all of your training since 1997!
That sounds like very hard work to me!
what you didnt mention there though pete, is that every training wannabe will get the breaks that you got!
bonjour!

TheHustler
25th Aug 2003, 05:27
oh yes,
dont know if you all heard-but that story actually appeared in "pilot" magazine in 2002, well someone must have sent it in or a version. Apparantly they fitted it all into a single paragraph! The well-edited version appeared below:

My Story- Pete the pilot

Slummed it out for 10 years, then got the big payoff!
Worked in Recruitment, then discovered "THE" magazine
Got PPL, and the baby was sick
The baby was sick again, very messy!!!
Then the Nanny was sick! (fook!)
studied hard and commuted a lot
got lucky(very), Job in Scotland (not enough hours!)
Remortgaged Flat, got Student Loan (ouch!)
Ran Outta cash- So busked for cash and lost 2 stone.
Got enough cash busking to Do CPL etc
Got shiny new licence, and got the hours
Went for JMC job, more training and Commuting! (fook!!)
waiting for line training
waiting for line training
still waiting for line training!!!
Got the right hand seat!
Now Inslovent, house reposessed, licences expired

Pilot magazine verdict- We'll call this weeks reader 'peter pan' - flies a lot and makes dreams come true! (sometimes hits walls when flying though)


:sad: :O :{ :ugh:

df1
25th Aug 2003, 18:57
I say "well done Pete!!"

Of the pilots i know none is more deserved of their dream job than Pete. Determination really does pay off.

I take my hat off to Pete and his family as times have surely been tough.

Pete, looking forward to the next "lock in".....:ok:

Dan.

REvans
25th Aug 2003, 22:29
Excellent PP, great reading especially for a wannabe.

'RE'

landrik1
24th Aug 2004, 14:29
what an inspiration for us!!!!!!