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GaryDwyer
29th Dec 2001, 04:20
I am 30 and part way through my PPL,
What suggestions does anyone have to getting a flying job, or perhaps I have left it too late??
If not then please let me know what the best (If any) route there is...Cheers All the best

piperindian
29th Dec 2001, 14:50
there are ABSOLUTELY no jobs for low-time pilots with frozen atpl at the moment.
even redundant experienced skippers (1000's jet hours)have it really hard.
so i dont think its a smart move to go beyond ppl
find a good paying job (outside aviation) and stay with ppl and enjoy flying !
also many flying schools are going bankrupt, be very careful not to pay in advance.

mcc132
29th Dec 2001, 17:51
GDwyer

I disagree with piperindian. Your looking at perhaps another 6 months before you get your PPL. Then depending on your choice to either train for your ATPL (Assuming that’s what you want to do) by the modular or integrated route, you’re looking an a few more years before being out and about looking for a job. In 2-3 years time the world will be a bit different (hopefully better for aviation) and there should be more jobs around.

Just remember that the current slow down is nothing like the one experienced during the gulf war and the recession of the early 1990’s – its comparatively mild. I was at the aviation jobs fair in London a few months ago (Perhaps you were there?) and there were some great seminars, one in particular given by a very experienced pilot and former Oxford Aviation instructor. He explained that it's mainly the airlines that rely on the Trans-Atlantic route are struggling at the moment, and that low-cost short-haul carriers are booming. What’s more, the likes of Ryanair prefer to take on new pilots because they are more likely to stay with them on their 737’s, where as the 747 pilots that could be recruited from the current pool of pilots will ****** off at the first sniff of a long-haul job.

If you haven’t already got it, then buy ‘The Guide to Getting a Commercial Pilots Licence’ by Clive Hughes. You can buy it at <a href="http://www.ppl-atpl.demon.co.uk." target="_blank">www.ppl-atpl.demon.co.uk.</a>

In terms of age, I'd move quick because 30-35 is around the top end that airlines will consider you - after all they are just after value for money through long service.

One thing that piperindian was right on was that your should enjoy your PPL as much as possible. Ultimately it’s your decision, but if you have the passion then go for it!

JONATHAN PEARSON
29th Dec 2001, 17:59
Hi GDwyer

I agree with PK 100%!!!!
If you want to fly!! then go for it!!! :) :)
LIVE YOUR DREAM!!!!!
Have "fun" finishing your PPL.
Wishing you a happy new year and clear sky.
Mutley7 <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

PPWannaB
30th Dec 2001, 06:03
Hello All,

I am in a similar situation with GDwyer. I am turning 30 very soon and have about 50 hours. Does anyone know anything about American Support Group Inc? From what I read, it seems like a good idea at my stage. Is flying rightseat on a Lear or Hawker for 800-1000 hours really a good idea for low time pilots? <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

masseygrad
1st Jan 2002, 11:15
To be honest, I don't know PPWannaB. Have you done a search on PPRuNe? There are a few old threads about these guys.

Why not if you can afford it I guess? (about USD 40k)

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oceanicclarence
2nd Jan 2002, 00:47
i agree with PK and MUTLEY go for it and dont look back , im in a similar position , i have ppl imc night ratings and was always told from an early age that id never make a pilot , well im getting there one hard step at a time, and i wont stop till i get there, listen to the advice from the other guys out there, work hard and do what you think is best, if you are determined you will make it , ive seen guys from my club go from ppls to working for airlines and all had one thing in common , utter determination.

MorningGlory
2nd Jan 2002, 02:15
OC's right! You have to have a shed load of determination, and you have to REALLY want to do it, if you do, and you have the aptitude & class 1 medical there's nothing stopping you then!

PiperIndian what's your problem? As I've said before, do you really think that the airlines will all instantly disappear? and that nobody on the face of the earth will ever go on holiday or send a package airmail again from now until the end the of time? Yes the recruitment situation couldn't be worse at the moment but it's not ALWAYS going to be that way. You need to look at the bigger picture mate, and stop giving pessimistic advice!

Four years ago, my 33yr friend decided to self sponsor himself through the ATPL which he did very successfully. He now has an unfrozen ATPL and flys an A320 every day!

You're not too old, it's just a matter of are you able to pass the medical requirements and do you have the ability and determination (and cash) to get through a very tough course (speaking from experience!) If you do, then fair play and I'll be seeing you a major hub real soon!

Best of luck to you!

Wee Weasley Welshman
2nd Jan 2002, 06:37
Hmm, but there is no point whatsoever in gaining an IR if there is no real prospect of getting a job within the next 10 months. Otherwise you will be paying for the renewal yourself at a cost of around £1,500.

Complete a PPL, do your hours building, pass the CPL if you must. If you want to get the ATPL exams out of the way then so be it but remember you start the clock ticking on your 500hrs Multi crew the moment you take those exams.

But expensive twin engine and IR ratings that cost a lot to maintain can wait until the market picks up a bit.

I have at least 15 friends or acquaintances that hold CPL/IR's Frzn ATPl and &lt;500hrs that I can think of off the top of my head who are all looking for work.

If you can. Wait awhile until I only have half a dozen such friends. Not for their benefit. For yours.

Its a great career. Enthusiasm and determination count for a lot. But you have to face stark reality in the face. The hiring market fell off a cliff on Sept 11th for low time guys. Its just as bad as the Gulf War if not worse.

The industry will have a better recession than in 1991. Wannabes will have a worse one. JAA means that there are now 3 times as eligible for the jobs which were UK only ten years ago.

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