Alliance E190 taxi speeds

[VH-FTS]

It's getting a bit of a joke how slow you all are taxiing. I'm talking long, wide, dry taxi ways too not corners or in the wet. 10 to 15 kt the whole time - is it that time of the month where you need to hit your productivity bonus hours? Bet Qantas are thrilled with how you're contributing to on time performance while slowing the rest of us down too.

[Gnadenburg]

There’s a cost of living crisis mate! Have a little empathy.

[ShandywithSugar]

VH-FTS Bravo Bravo :D

[Slippery_Pete]

How are they paid? Actual block?

[volare_737]

haha - Love it !!! In my defence I have to say I taxi at least at 25 to 30. But please understand most of us are old farts and need time to think !!!! :rolleyes:

[chimbu warrior]

Perhaps they have a company-imposed taxi speed limit. If this is common amongst Alliance E190's then that could well be the case.

[BO0M]

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[chookcooker]

10kts wet? In a straight line? Bananas

[Lapon]

But the big question is.... how bright are the Alliance taxi lights, and do they leave thier wing inspection lights on? :E

[BO0M]

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[VH-FTS]

Perhaps they have a company-imposed taxi speed limit. If this is common amongst Alliance E190's then that could well be the case.

There's no way they're limited to 15 kt in a straight line in the dry. Adding 0.1 to each taxi must add up at the end of the month.

[Chadzat]

Those who flew the ejet at VA may remember the design flaw in the nosewheel assembly that can shimmy/shudder the whole aircraft when the taxi speed is between 18-21kt (from memory). So you either had to be above or below that usually-ideal speed.

Who cares about OTP anyway? Thats some desk jockeys KPI, not a pilots!!

[soseg]

Getting their total time up so they can apply for the majors.

[bugged on the right]

15 kts in A300 would produce a rapid nosewheel bounce which would get lady pilots jiggling. So I heard.

[DIBO]

So I heard.No, no, it's scientifically proven: Men and women absorb vibration differently (https://www.concordia.ca/news/stories/2018/10/30/men-and-women-absorb-vibration-differently-new-research-shows.html) ;)

[DeltaT]

Just because you can taxi fast doesn't mean you should.
Like most things in life, wait your turn, you aren't the only person on the planet.
If I want to take my damn time I will.

[rodney rude]

Great attitude mate. I suppose you're the guy on the highway doing 80 with a funeral procession behind you.

[CDRW]

Just because you can taxi fast doesn't mean you should.
Like most things in life, wait your turn, you aren't the only person on the planet.
If I want to take my damn time I will.
Such a mature responce shown by a vastly experienced pilot who has flown the world (well WA and maybe a trip to NT to really get experience! )

[morno]

Just because you can taxi fast doesn't mean you should.
Like most things in life, wait your turn, you aren't the only person on the planet.
If I want to take my damn time I will.

Mate I can taxi a Cessna around at 30kts. If you can’t taxi a jet at 30kts maybe it’s time you hang up your boots and retire.

[nomess]

Just because you can taxi fast doesn't mean you should.
Like most things in life, wait your turn, you aren't the only person on the planet.
If I want to take my damn time I will.
Who said anything about taxiing fast?

We are talking about people who go SLOW.

and no, one isn’t the only person on the planet, they are one of MANY, who are all waiting behind you.

[TBM-Legend]

In Australia dawdling on taxiways is the order of the day compared to the U.S., Canada, Asia

Still living in the Tiger Moth walking pace days.

[soseg]

Guys, you’ll trigger all the zoomers who meow on guard.

[cxflog]

Guys, you’ll trigger all the zoomers who meow on guard.
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[Flava Saver]

Whilst speaking of things slow…. How about a shoutout to the VA drivers given max speed to the field yet everyone behind them get profile, then 250, then bring it back to 220 because they didn’t wind it up. Here’s a thought! If ya not gunna put the pedal down, just say unable, and that your happy to join the back of the sequence thanks. Not all of us are building twin time. :)

[MalcolmReynolds]

Great attitude mate. I suppose you're the guy on the highway doing 80 with a funeral procession behind you.

Who cares? They're DEAD! It isn't an Ambulance!

[Lead Balloon]

I think rodney was being metaphorical, not literal, malcolm.

[rodney rude]

Thank you Leady. There's always one dullard isn't there.

[DeltaT]

Ahh, the new generation of all knowing pilot skygods of Australia rises again, coming to an airport accident near you.

[Mach E Avelli]

A long time ago I worked for an outfit that paid a base salary plus a revenue mile rate. Not too many time wasters in that operation. Paying block hour overtime and expecting OTP? Pigs may levitate.

[morno]

Ahh, the new generation of all knowing pilot skygods of Australia rises again, coming to an airport accident near you.

Just tell me again what is wrong with taxiing at 30kts and not holding every competent person up? :ugh:

[rodney rude]

Hook up that caravan Delta! The highway awaits.

[The Banjo]

Just tell me again what is wrong with taxiing at 30kts and not holding every competent person up? :ugh:

Well taxiing slower might give more headspace to prevent a runway incursion or a wingding when parking at a bay.

As we are all aware there is a lot of training happening with generally less experienced students so then slowing things down cannot be a bad mitigation.

[morno]

Well taxiing slower might give more headspace to prevent a runway incursion or a wingding when parking at a bay.

As we are all aware there is a lot of training happening with generally less experienced students so then slowing things down cannot be a bad mitigation.

I’m not saying you park on the bay doing 30kts FFS. And what possible runway incursion could you have on a parallel taxiway 🤦‍♂️

[das Uber Soldat]

I like that we can argue about literally anything.

[ScepticalOptomist]

I like that we can argue about literally anything.

Yep - being anonymous on a forum brings out the worst in people.

Wonder if anyone here would have the guts to ask someone in the terminal face-to-face about something so petty as their taxi speed.

[WSSS]

Those who flew the ejet at VA may remember the design flaw in the nosewheel assembly that can shimmy/shudder the whole aircraft when the taxi speed is between 18-21kt (from memory). So you either had to be above or below that usually-ideal speed.

Exactly this. The Ejet starts to shudder approaching 18 kts but sorts itself out after 20 kts. Don't know whether it's nose wheel design flaw or some kind of resonance, but once you break through 20 - 21 kts, the shuddering stops.

[cxflog]

Yep - being anonymous on a forum brings out the worst in people.

Wonder if anyone here would have the guts to ask someone in the terminal face-to-face about something so petty as their taxi speed.
Absolutely zero because those around would just shake their heads at the shear stupidity of such a question.

[framer]

Paying block hour overtime and expecting OTP? Pigs may levitate.

I have seen people joke bout slowing down because of block overtime but I have never seen anyone actually do it. Does it really happen?
​​​​​​​Guys, you’ll trigger all the zoomers who meow on guard.
Can anyone explain what that is about? Is it a private message between incels? Like a code to show solidarity?

[Sameoldsameold]

Another pathetic thread full of self appointed aviation hero’s. Now they are cracking down on taxi speeds. Got to be taxiing at 30kts to be deemed proficient. We really are lucky to have such oversight and thanks for bringing it to our attention on pprune.

[MikeHatter732]

Thankfully their one route out of Sydney keeps them off Tango down to 34R :}:}

[morno]

Another pathetic thread full of self appointed aviation hero’s. Now they are cracking down on taxi speeds. Got to be taxiing at 30kts to be deemed proficient. We really are lucky to have such oversight and thanks for bringing it to our attention on pprune.

It’s funny watching all you lot get wound up when others tell you to just hurry up. I didn’t even start the topic, but I sure as **** am getting a laugh from apparently how ‘difficult and unsafe’ it is to taxi at a mere 25-30kts :ugh:

[maggot]

I have seen people joke bout slowing down because of block overtime but I have never seen anyone actually do it. Does it really happen?


Yes!! But this singular fellow doesn't have a grasp of statistics and outliers etc

[maggot]

I like that we can argue about literally anything.

Well I prefer how we did it back at Ansett





:}

[Trevor the lover]

Yeah... and in the Boeing blah blah blah

[Window heat]

Is this a genuine thread? I’m not sure whether to laugh at 44 posts on taxi speed in an RPT jet of laugh at the idea that some folks think it’s unsafe to taxi at the manufacturer/company SOP max speed. Assuming you hold an ATPL, you should be able to work out when it’s safe to taxi at 30kts (I have no idea what the Ejet max is).

I remember the 737 classic had a wobble at 17 kts, you either went above or below, problem solved. I haven’t seen a similar issue on other types. As for 30 kts, I’ve never felt unsafe doing it in a straight line. Sorry to add post #45…….FOMO.

[Zeta_Reticuli]

Is this a genuine thread? I’m not sure whether to laugh at 44 posts on taxi speed in an RPT jet of laugh at the idea that some folks think it’s unsafe to taxi at the manufacturer/company SOP max speed. Assuming you hold an ATPL, you should be able to work out when it’s safe to taxi at 30kts (I have no idea what the Ejet max is).

I remember the 737 classic had a wobble at 17 kts, you either went above or below, problem solved. I haven’t seen a similar issue on other types. As for 30 kts, I’ve never felt unsafe doing it in a straight line. Sorry to add post #45…….FOMO.


Hey the Austronauts have to stroke their ego every now and then!

[Hollywood1]

This month, it's Alliance taxi speeds. Last month was Jetstar leaving on their nose taxi lights and blinding fellow Austronauts. Can't be much left to whinge about now.

[Zeta_Reticuli]

This month, it's Alliance taxi speeds. Last month was Jetstar leaving on their nose taxi lights and blinding fellow Austronauts. Can't be much left to whinge about now.


Whinging for years about anything trivial besides their trivial salaries!

[Gear in transit]

This month, its Alliance taxi speeds. Last month was Jetstar leaving on their nose taxi lights and blinding fellow Austronauts. Can't be much left to whinge about now.

You forgot to mention the QF wing lights.

[megan]

As for 30 kts, I’ve never felt unsafe doing it in a straight lineYou feel unsafe when approaching Vr? You're going in a straight line, hopefully. ;)

[Deano969]

You forgot to mention the QF wing lights.
And that pesky strip of grass next to the apron at Rocky

[Capt_SNAFU]

Whilst here I will now whine about the idiots who have NFI where a hold point line is and stop short and hold up traffic behind. Aircraft off 16R at YSSY at intersections F,B3/4 are prime offenders. Actually work out where your nose is and move the $&*k up.
rant over.

[prickly]

Taxiing accidents have long been among the least forgivable and career ending mishaps in the industry. But there can be other dangers.

In my old and now defunct airline the most unacceptable and dangerous taxi speed was one that would get you on blocks at just a few minutes prior to 2300 local time on the last sector back to base. Given that after 2300 local up to 14 underpaid cabin crew would be compensated taxi fare from CLK to their homes, which for many werein the dark and mysterious depths of the Kowloon peninsula, despite being one of the safest cities in the world at the time. Cockpit crews would be reminded of this prior to the last departure and during the sector and woe betide any cockpit crew arriving within 5 minutes prior to that magic hour. So -10 kt taxiing or many other devious manoeuvres were carried out to ensure the parking brake was not set and on blocks time recorded as 2301 local.

And thus the endless supply of Terimisu and other goodies would continue right up to retirement. The following heart attack months later serves as a reminder but I still get Christmas cards from a few of those appreciative FAs.

And I should add that this was not the reason the airline is now defunct.

[Callsign Please]

Aircraft off 16R at YSSY at intersections F,B3/4 are prime offenders.
Concurrent rant: this is usually because the fuel pipeline under those hold points screws with magnets and creates heading mismatches which hold up yours and everyone else’s departures, but they’ll still send you there for 10-15 in the queue as it’s better than up top. Always happy to move forward though :ok:

[Gnadenburg]

Taxiing accidents have long been among the least forgivable and career ending mishaps in the industry. But there can be other dangers.

In my old and now defunct airline the most unacceptable and dangerous taxi speed was one that would get you on blocks at just a few minutes prior to 2300 local time on the last sector back to base. Given that after 2300 local up to 14 underpaid cabin crew would be compensated taxi fare from CLK to their homes, which for many werein the dark and mysterious depths of the Kowloon peninsula, despite being one of the safest cities in the world at the time. Cockpit crews would be reminded of this prior to the last departure and during the sector and woe betide any cockpit crew arriving within 5 minutes prior to that magic hour. So -10 kt taxiing or many other devious manoeuvres were carried out to ensure the parking brake was not set and on blocks time recorded as 2301 local.

And thus the endless supply of Terimisu and other goodies would continue right up to retirement. The following heart attack months later serves as a reminder but I still get Christmas cards from a few of those appreciative FAs.

And I should add that this was not the reason the airline is now defunct.

This was also the airline that had an unforgivable and according to Airbus, unfathomable number of wide-body rollbacks off stand, due to pay by the minute which was at least $10 AUD to $15. The place was a rort and most notably, in hindsight, from the “company men” who’d also play against the union. Roll-back Jack? If you ever own an airline, it’s the company men to beware of as much as your bottom dwelling maligners.

Back to Alliance. Mentioned above as a reason for taxiing slow is the amount of training going on. Pilot numbers and attrition haven’t stabilised? Is it really a great idea to have an airline in continuous training mode or should CASA force their hand and consider pilot turnover a matter an RPT operator, at his level, must address?

[BO0M]

What airline around the world isn't in continuous training mode? I haven't seen Alliance come up in any ATSB reports recently and given they are heavily audited by QF and VA on safety (and OTP) it's probably a good indication that there are processes in place to make the operation safe. I think a lot of people forget the large amount of expats that came home and are still coming home, plus numerous operators for the QF and VA side that are at Alliance. The experience in the ranks on both the F100 and Ejet is significantly greater than people realise. I'm pretty certain the entire fleet aren't taxing around like snails but if some amoung them are, then theres probably a good reson.

[Gnadenburg]

As we are all aware there is a lot of training happening with generally less experienced students so then slowing things down cannot be a bad mitigation.

Right then Boom, that was in response to an insider’s explanation. And let’s face it, the attrition rate was said to be very high on earlier threads so at some stage, if your operation continually needs trainer wheels, the regulator should take an interest in pilot turn-over.

You gave the problem away in your comments so let’s not beat around the bush. If pay was block or better, there’s no slow taxiing problem up until the flight time wanders beyond block. Seen it all before.

[grrowler]

I know of several reportable incidents at QQ that have not appeared in ATSB reports available to the general public.

Why? You’d have to ask QQ/ QF/ ATSB.

[SHSS]

Wow, taxi speeds. Seriously? Get over it. Crews will taxi at a speed deemed appropriate, and not a speed deemed appropriate by someone on pprune. Honestly, some 'pilots' posting on here need to lighten up.

[SHSS]

I know of several reportable incidents at QQ that have not appeared in ATSB reports available to the general public.

Why? You’d have to ask QQ/ QF/ ATSB.

QQ have a very robust safety system. Not sure what your agenda is but well done!

[grrowler]

Not at all suggesting they don’t, just interesting that they don’t seem to find their way into the public domain.

[megan]

I know of several reportable incidents at QQ that have not appeared in ATSB reports available to the general publicNot unusual, had an engine failure on take off where I didn't know for a moment if we were going to get away with it, no publically available report, induced a severe bout of PTSD.

[ScepticalOptomist]

Not unusual, had an engine failure on take off where I didn't know for a moment if we were going to get away with it, no publically available report, induced a severe bout of PTSD.

Sorry to hear that - hope you’re doing ok. 👍

[airdualbleedfault]

Wow, taxi speeds. Seriously? Get over it. Crews will taxi at a speed deemed appropriate, and not a speed deemed appropriate by someone on pprune. Honestly, some 'pilots' posting on here need to lighten up.
Typical austronaut response, try that "I'll taxi whatever speed I want" 5hit in the US or Hongkers