How to log time as SO at CX

[Makiko]

How is flight time legally logged as a CX SO ?

Is it the time when you are solely in a "front seat", or on the flightdeck (everything logged except bunk time) ?

Anyone know how much time a 744 pax SO would have been logging each year back in 2010s , say 4.5 years(including training) as an SO how much time would have been logged

I know some countries it is lawful to log pretty much door open to door shut time as "flight time" in a log book (including bunk time) - pretty sure Aus/NZ SOs do that

Further to this question, what about a three man A330 crew , would an FO log door open/door close time , or time in cockpit (cannot log rest time)

[AviatorPac]

It's logged as P2X time as you don't hold a full type rating (base training is required in HK for the issue of a full type rating). If you had a full type rating you would log it as P2.

Some airlines in Australia will recognise the time such as Qantas but not all will.

You log only time in seat.

For some extra context an FO would log P2 if they were Pm on that sector and P1 U/S if they were PF.

Hopefully that is helpful.

[SloppyJoe]

I think most people are not overly pedantic, although I see you're in Melbourne. It's usually something along the lines of, flight time minus an hour and the resultant you log either 1/2 of that time if 4 crew, or 2/3rds if three crew. It will be around about 6-700hrs a year I seem to remember, although probably more now it is hourly pay without overtime.

[Verbal Kint]

Let me guess Makiko:- you found yourself in the backseat sitting next to one of the many CX refugees now at QF, & need ammunition to assert your superior S/O hours and therefore right to 1st dibs of the sandwich tray? You know full well QF S/O’s log ALL hours, being one yourself.

[jbking]

It's logged as P2X time as you don't hold a full type rating (base training is required in HK for the issue of a full type rating). If you had a full type rating you would log it as P2.

Some airlines in Australia will recognise the time such as Qantas but not all will.

You log only time in seat.

For some extra context an FO would log P2 if they were Pm on that sector and P1 U/S if they were PF.

Hopefully that is helpful.

Hi, I just wanted a bit more clarification on this. So I believe the current promotion requirement for SO1 to SO2 is 2000 block hours, and SO2 to FO1 would be 3000 block hours for the 777 and Airbus guys. Does this block hour actually mean “block hours” instead of the time in seat? The time in seat is just for logging your flight log book, is that correct?
Then why would promotions take average 7 years from SO to FO like many others have complained? Is this hour requirement simply a bare minimum bar that doesn’t actually mean anything? How many block hours a typical SO would get annually assuming he’s flying a full roster?
Thank you, seems you really know this stuff.

[Boulanger]

Hi, I just wanted a bit more clarification on this. So I believe the current promotion requirement for SO1 to SO2 is 2000 block hours, and SO2 to FO1 would be 3000 block hours for the 777 and Airbus guys. Does this block hour actually mean “block hours” instead of the time in seat? The time in seat is just for logging your flight log book, is that correct?
Then why would promotions take average 7 years from SO to FO like many others have complained? Is this hour requirement simply a bare minimum bar that doesn’t actually mean anything? How many block hours a typical SO would get annually assuming he’s flying a full roster?
Thank you, seems you really know this stuff.

Acquiring the required block hours simply allows you to enter the next paygrade within rank.

You don't get promoted from SO to FO based on block hours. Promotion is based on how many people are in front of you and also at the entire discretion of the company.

[controlledrest]

SOs log time in seat in their HKG logbook. If one keeps a logbook for another country, check with the aviation authority in that country. Chances are one can log total block time. This can make a huge difference when applying for a flying job where there are trade unions, real employment contracts, rule of law, a future.....