One for the Danish speakers

[Fris B. Fairing]

This plate is attached to a former RDAF CF-104 wing. Can someone please translate "Matins"? Google says it means "matinees" but that doesn't sound appropriate.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x588/rdaf_cf_104_plate_565668d156075533cb0e4877dbbdc620845a325e.j pg

[Allan Lupton]

The Church of England uses "Matins" (from the Latin) as the label for its morning service, so I'd guess it means "morning" in this context.

[jensdad]

This plate is attached to a former RDAF CF-104 wing. Can someone please translate "Matins"? Google says it means "matinees" but that doesn't sound appropriate.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x588/rdaf_cf_104_plate_565668d156075533cb0e4877dbbdc620845a325e.j pg
I'm not a Danish speaker, nor do I have any knowledge whatsoever of F-104's!
But the rest of the plate is in English (RDAF for example is the abbreviation for the English 'Royal Danish Air Force', which the Danes just call it Flyvevabnet or 'the air force'), so I guess it's an abbreviation for something in English.
The mine of expertise that is PPRuNe will I'm sure give you more specific info :)

[Liffy 1M]

Is the part from CF-104D RT-664, ex-104664, as in this listing? 916-Starfighter (http://www.916-starfighter.de/F-104_RDAF_serial.htm) - not that that answers the OP's question, of course.

[Gargleblaster]

"Matins" is not a Danish word, e.g. doesn't exist in this dictionary https://ordnet.dk/ddo/ordbog?query=matins. Could it be a misspelling of "Martins" ?

[OUAQUKGF Ops]

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/591x164/screenshot_2024_01_22_at_09_09_10_f_104_question_9f50016c674 2fdedde775f9f4e11ce7a05ab0175.png

Any connection here ? Possibly the same F104 ? Seems quite a few went to ROCAF in Taiwan after service in Denmark. What is the provenance of your original image ?

[longer ron]

Possibly 'MATINS' is an acronym ?

Military Aid ****
Military Assistance****

Just a thought - probably totally wrong :)

[Chu Chu]

The current Danish defense materiel organization is known as Forsvarsministeriets Materiel- og Inkøbsstyrelse. It would be pretty easy to get “Matins” out of the “materiel and purchasing” part of that. But apparently the name’s only been used since 2014.

[Jhieminga]

Based on what is on the data plate, I can think of two options:
1. It's an acronym for the Danish organisation that keeps track of military equipment and the bit behind it is a tracking code for their system. It's probably the system code for '1 F-104 aeroplane'.
2. It means something like 'sub-assembly' so that 1F-104-5664 is part of a RDAF F/CF-104, perhaps this number is the code to denote 'wing'.
I suspect its no.1 as only the last two boxes are meant to be changed for the applicable part and serial number. That makes it more likely for 1F-104-5664 to relate to an entire aeroplane and not just to a single wing. Keep in mind that this is mostly guesswork on my side...:hmm:

[Quemerford]

MATINS looks more likely to be a contraction of 'materiel inspection' and the "1F-104-5664" is the format you'd expect to see for a Technical Order (TO 1F-104-5664). Tech Orders don't just cover the aircraft manuals but also articles that we'd more commonly refer to as Mods, Service Bulletins etc.

[Self loading bear]

Most of the Danish Starfighters were built by Lockheed Canada.
I think this is a Canadian parts supplier.

[Fris B. Fairing]

Thanks for all the responses. It's looking like it might be an acronym of non-Danish origins. Incidentally, if you google "MATINS + Starfighter" you will get this thread!
This is the aeroplane in question:
The Aussie Zipper (http://www.lockheed.adastron.com/starfighter/starfighter.htm)

[Liffy 1M]

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/591x164/screenshot_2024_01_22_at_09_09_10_f_104_question_9f50016c674 2fdedde775f9f4e11ce7a05ab0175.png

Any connection here ? Possibly the same F104 ? Seems quite a few went to ROCAF in Taiwan after service in Denmark. What is the provenance of your original image ?

That was an ex-German aircraft that never served with Denmark, so surely unlikely, especially having crashed into a mountain in Taiwan. The Danish "664" was a CF-104D (two-seater) that was scrapped in Denmark, so a more likely candidate. 916 Starfighter (http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/Stars/wD664.htm)

[Fris B. Fairing]

Liffy
The wing bearing the RDAF plate in question was originally fitted to R-343 but that aircraft crashed on 8 August 1980 so clearly the wing was removed prior to this date.

EDIT: If the wing came from RT-664 the RDAF plate should show 1F-104-4664 (not 1F-104-5664) as RT-664's full serial was 104664. I cannot find an RDAF serial ending in 5664.

jensdad makes the astute observation that the plate is in English so my choice of title for this thread turns out to be unhelpful.

Rgds