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albatross
13th Jan 2024, 20:09
Nice Bell Training video.
Nice to see the zero speed touchdowns.
Nowadays all we seem to see posted are touchdowns with run on landings that involve a change of postal codes and a map.

https://youtu.be/NhrCBlKUUzI?si=GGgUn5YcutiDdf6Q

Marly Lite
14th Jan 2024, 14:46
Depends on rotor system. Many modern helicopters have a high disk loading and little inertia. A run-on is a necessity on a slack wind day.

212man
14th Jan 2024, 15:25
I think it’s partly a risk reduction strategy. I used to see it a lot with OEI rejected take offs - little droop and high run on speeds. I used to train for max performance per the RFM graphs. I remember one occasion on the 92 where the trainee was adamant he could not land any slower. I did a demo - zero ground speed then picked up and did a 360. The message got through……But, if all your trainers are looking after their bacon and happy to use all the runway and not all the power/Nr, I guess the trainees are not to blame.

albatross
14th Jan 2024, 16:58
I think it’s partly a risk reduction strategy. I used to see it a lot with OEI rejected take offs - little droop and high run on speeds. I used to train for max performance per the RFM graphs. I remember one occasion on the 92 where the trainee was adamant he could not land any slower. I did a demo - zero ground speed then picked up and did a 360. The message got through……But, if all your trainers are looking after their bacon and happy to use all the runway and not all the power/Nr, I guess the trainees are not to blame.

I think you are much more likely to shorten the tail boom in a run on.
When the early Astars came out some folks from down the road us were doing run ons because “It is impossible to stop it on a no wind day.”
This surprised us as we had soon discovered it was indeed possible to stop it with in 0 wind no problem at all.
Both companies used the same small airport for training and it was fun to watch one Astar land on the spot and the next one slide down the runway. After a couple of weeks everyone was doing 0 speed touchdowns.
The companies may have been competitive business wise but we got along great together in the field. We often stopped and had lunch together during these training sessions and shared information freely. (In the field deep in the bush and you are all stuck in a tent at -30C you learn to get along.) It was quite normal to see engineers from 2-3 companies helping each other with inspections. Everybody, pilots and engineers, got along just fine.
In the bush it was normal to borrow stuff from each other and help each other out as need be.

206Fan
14th Jan 2024, 19:34
Here's a couple of Robinson Full Down videos I came across on Youtube!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL2VVEnJmkQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcAAIBVyo1U&t=24s