Russian Wagner forces Il-76 crash in Mali

[NutLoose]

A lot of dead apparently. According to Arabic media, up to 140 Mali and Wagner soldiers died.

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1706975258056573378

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1706975258056573378

[A0283]

https://www.nu.nl/303072/video/vliegtuig-schiet-van-landingsbaan-en-explodeert-in-mali.html

Touchdown… rolling along centreline … don’t see much deceleration… runs out of asphalt …. Straight over sandy soil… tips over de edge 19 seconds after touchdown… 7 sec later fireball…

can’t see if it’s GAGO or GABS … difference is about 2,200 ft rwy length …

[voyageur9]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7CmJIeWYAA6pRr?format=jpg&name=900x900
https://x.com/tvtoront/status/1707046942725828836?s=20

the aftermath (and it looks like a truck on its side near the aircraft but it may have nothing to do with the accident)

[On_The_Top_Bunk]

A lot of dead apparently.



https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1706975258056573378
Looks like landed long and messed up what should have been a go around

[JanetFlight]

It was in GAO...there are also some pics taken from that A400 cockpit waiting at the holding point in some Twitter mil groups.
The IL76 might be a previous Sapsan and not related to Wagner Group.
It was now fully painted in Mali Air Force, with Mali AF insignias in both Fuselage an Tail.
Reg TZ-98T.

https://twitter.com/Gerjon_/status/1706620761442496995

twitter.com/Gerjon_/status/1706620761442496995 (https://twitter.com/Gerjon_/status/1706620761442496995)

[tdracer]

Looks like landed long and messed up what should have been a go around
It is strange - after touchdown there is no apparent effort to slow down to stop or to accelerate back up to GA speeds.

[DaveReidUK]

It is strange - after touchdown there is no apparent effort to slow down to stop or to accelerate back up to GA speeds.

Looks to me as if T/Rs deployed once on the deck.

[JanetFlight]

Acc some Insider info there was one Russian instructor pilot and couple of local Malian AF pilots receiving instruction to fly the old 76 on their behalf...it sounds in my humble opinion the typical mess.. "You did, I did, I will, you will..." And the tarmac finished... May they RIP
BTW...curious the fact we can see the TR shells being deployed but at the same time no spoilers being deployed...

[Procrastinus]

One of the useless things in aviation - runway behind you

[RickNRoll]

Acc some Insider info there was one Russian instructor pilot and couple of local Malian AF pilots receiving instruction to fly the old 76 on their behalf...it sounds in my humble opinion the typical mess.. "You did, I did, I will, you will..." And the tarmac finished... May they RIP
BTW...curious the fact we can see the TR shells being deployed but at the same time no spoilers being deployed...

They were training with a plane full of human cargo?

[ATC Watcher]

They were training with a plane full of human cargo?
Standard in Africa. why waste a good revenue. possibility ?
That said not only in Africa, remember the A320 in Habsheim ?

[treadigraph]

Looking at Google Maps and the vid, I think the aircraft was well over half way down the runway before touch down. Go arounds will result in a firing squad?

[bobbytables]

Standard in Africa. why waste a good revenue. possibility ?
That said not only in Africa, remember the A320 in Habsheim ?

The A320 in Habsheim wasn’t a training flight.

[ATC Watcher]

The A320 in Habsheim wasn’t a training flight.
no you are right , it was a demo flight during an airshow, but same principle, the aircraft was supposed to be empty of Pax, (airshows regulations) but nevertheless filled up with pax for promotion of the aircraft to journalists
It was one of the first 3 A320 AF received and this one was 2 days old.and it was its first flight with pax, The notion of " not wasting an empty flight" is the same as here in Gao.

[treadigraph]

I don't think passengers were banned from demo flights in France (Europe?) prior to Habsheim, recommendation in the report that they must be and presumably were.

I believe non-crew were prohibited at UK displays following the Biggin Invader accident in 1980 which resulted in the deaths of six passengers. Concorde flypasts were tacked onto "round the bay" passenger flights but I don't recall seeing one that was below at least 500' and probably higher and they were simply flypasts joined up by big turn arounds. I do recall seeing flypasts with Spitfires and the Red Arrows, no idea if passengers involved but the formations were pretty loose. Ray Hanna flying one Spit, possibly Stephen Grey in the other.

[DogTailRed2]

Can that aircraft have been carrying that damaged vehicle in it's cargo hold? What would happen if it broke loose on landing?
I'm curious why the vehicle is there.

[FUMR]

Here we go again! Complete thread drift with the A320 accident which bares no resemblance to this one in any way whatsoever!

[andrasz]

Looking at the Google Earth images of Gao airport, they touched down on 06L abeam of a service road a little past the taxiway leading to the main apron, giving them ~1000m of paved runway remaining (out of 2500). It took them 12 seconds to use up the runway, implying an average (!) speed of 300 kph. There is a further 380m flat overrun area, which took another 7 seconds before going down the ravine, equating to 195kph. By the look of it, there was hardly any deceleration or lateral deviation, wreckage is right on the centerline.

Il-76 nominal required landing distance is 930-1000m. This landing should have been aborted well before touchdown, but even so, all other things heading north they should have been able to stop at least in the overrun zone.

[Jhieminga]

Can that aircraft have been carrying that damaged vehicle in it's cargo hold? What would happen if it broke loose on landing?
I'm curious why the vehicle is there.
Driving past and clipped by the aircraft? A wreck that was already lying there? It appears (to me) to be 90 degrees off from the path of the Il-76, so the odds of it having been inside the aircraft are not high on my scale. As to what would happen if it broke loose... heavy stuff has a tendency to continue on its path. Which is why (to me) it appears to be too far off the track of the airframe to have been thrown from that.

[andrasz]

Can that aircraft have been carrying that damaged vehicle in it's cargo hold? What would happen if it broke loose on landing?
I'm curious why the vehicle is there.
Looking at the photo one can clearly see drag marks emanating from the wreckage. Probably the vehicle was part of the cargo and was pulled away during rescue efforts.

[FlightDetent]

Does the Il-76 have visible ground spoilers? Can't really see any on the video.

Any ideas? Don't the flaps look different too:


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/701x317/nospoilers_8188588d5b5284fb4e52134f1d4a44bb1c8105d6.png
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/713x470/somespoilers_3f37b6e8b31a98b72499ae8f12e368d9814c0267.png

[andrasz]

Does the Il-76 have visible ground spoilers? Can't really see any on the video.

Any ideas? Don't the flaps look different too:


Spoilers are clearly visible on your second photo. In your pics flaps are set 45, in the accident video 30, but that should be OK for a normal landing. T/R deploys 3 seconds after touchdown on all four.

[megan]

They were training with a plane full of human cargoBack in the day there was a requirement to be loaded to a % (85 I think) of MAUW for training, we used sand bags, perhaps others use SLF. ;) We were only permitted necessary crew on board.

[Teddy Robinson]

Spoilers are clearly visible on your second photo. In your pics flaps are set 45, in the accident video 30, but that should be OK for a normal landing. T/R deploys 3 seconds after touchdown on all four.

The lift spoilers in the video appear to be stowed (unlike the photos which are from another location)
What issue could we looking at here ? perhaps hydraulics, perhaps something as simple as loss of weight on wheels signal which locks out lift spoiler and reverser deployment on similar types.

Fly safe TR

[DaveReidUK]

The lift spoilers in the video appear to be stowed (unlike the photos which are from another location)
What issue could we looking at here ? perhaps hydraulics, perhaps something as simple as loss of weight on wheels signal which locks out lift spoiler and reverser deployment on similar types.

Fly safe TR

Is TR claiming that the T/R's didn't actually deploy?

[FlightDetent]

The lift spoilers in the video appear to be stowed (unlike the photos which are from another location) inconclusive. I picked the pictures from elsewhere on the internet, and the first one almost certainly has spoilers same as the second, but the rear viewing angle makes them unrecognizable. Is that the case of the crash video too? Not sure.

To my tired eye the crash video does not display any significant deceleration at all. Even after the mid-point landing, stopping hard should had been achievable (my plane with far less wheels installed would!).

[giggitygiggity]

Why is the entire runway marked as one big touchdown zone? Aside from usual common sense, how are you supposed to know you've landed long?

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1105/mali_2_dada46080f17d3bcb11a4f591e42263ca7ada235.jpg

[MechEngr]

If you get to the turn-around taxi-way loop before the wheels make contact you have gone too far.

[Teddy Robinson]

inconclusive. I picked the pictures from elsewhere on the internet, and the first one almost certainly has spoilers same as the second, but the rear viewing angle makes them unrecognizable. Is that the case of the crash video too? Not sure.

To my tired eye the crash video does not display any significant deceleration at all. Even after the mid-point landing, stopping hard should had been achievable (my plane with far less wheels installed would!).
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x355/screen_shot_2023_10_02_at_13_40_17_c57d9e17581e9d4413149ff50 339d5a5daecfe31.png
I agree, the images are somewhat inconclusive especially given the position of the sun, but I would expect the deployed spoilers to be visible, even fleetingly as a darker line above the flaps and I am not seeing this at any point in the video, added to which there is no obvious deceleration until the overrun

[JanetFlight]

TR deployed...no Spoilers at all...Marks on the RWY too non-sense and not helpful at all...