DHL. Worth accepting the job offer?

[tailscrape]

Hi all,

I guess I could put this in Questions, but I think I will be more likely to get the answer here. HOGG/CARGO RAT2, sorry if that causes you problems.

Been offered a job at EMA as an F/O 757. I am type rated, with 1000 on type, but lowish hours overall.

I would appreciate a warts and all account of life in DHL, if anyone would care to enlighten me!

Save the bullsh?t about longhaul. I wanna know what life is like now, not what jam tastes like tomorrow please.

Here's hoping i get a reply.

[Engineer]

You have got a job thats all that matter

[72jetjok]

Hi,

have spoken to quite a few DHL Air pilots around the routes and they all seem happy enough with the way things are going. It's too soon for an established roster pattern, l think, but they seem to be working similar patterns to ACL - 5/6 on, 3/4 off. At the moment they don't seem to be working too hard - 2, occasionally 3 sector nights.

[parcel]

Night freight: no slots, lots of shortish sectors, low hours. 4 sector nights with waiting around in between time are normal, although 2 & 3 sector nights also happen. Relaxed, no hassle. The flying is fun.
Days off are variable: often just two, after 5 nights work.
If you have low hours, it may take you some time to get what you need for command. With 3-4k hours, it could be very quick.
DHL Air prefer to promote from within, and that goes for training opportunities too. The night world is your oyster!

[Piz Buin]

Take the damm job :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Caractacus]

parcel, what are the standby arrangements?

[parcel]

Standby from home, normally. Sometimes down route. ;)

[DownIn3Green]

Tailscrape...

Glad you have so many jobs to choose from...

A low time pilot such as yourself should be glad to have such an opportunity...

Did you apply to DHL or were you just offered this job out of the blue?

The reason I'm wondering is because if you applied and interviewed and were accepted, but now you're not sure if you want the job, you have in effect taken a slot someone else could've had.

I'm sure there is at least one pilot who missed out on the interview because your indesiesive self was there instead.

[tailscrape]

Down in three greens.

Who said anything about lots of jobs to choose from???

I am lucky, and I know it. However, please don't accuse me of taking other slots. DHL know what they want. Type rated guys at the minute is the order of the day! I have the right rating.

However, that does not mean I took anyone's slot.

They will look at all guys who meet their criteria. If you don't meet the criteria, you won't get looked at. Tough isn't it? That's life.

TS

[Engineer]

Tough isn't it? That's life.Such an endearing attitude one wonders about the personal characteristics of certain people flying today. May be the passenger market will not miss your charismatic qualities!!

[MaxBlow]

Should you take it !???!

I just got fired. Flew l/s but would probably take it anyhow (even F/O). Where do live ? Across the job supermarket ?

Stop thinking about it and SIGN !!!

Btw.: How can 75 time be lowish ? Explain...

[tailscrape]

Engineer,

Calm down and get back in your cage. His attitude stank too, so don't make this a slanging match because you are getting on my nerves.

Max Blow,

I got very lucky, that's all. I have been spoiled in my flying career quite honestly.

That is all there is to it.

For DHL, I have the right rating and enough hours to justify their employing me, so I guess I am lucky again.

Oh, by the way I have signed the contract and start very soon. Can't wait.

Thanks for the advice guys.

[easondown]

Tailscrap...,

I think of myself to be lucky at the moment to be flying a nice new jet. You just seem to love rubbing peoples noses in it (ie those who aren't flying). With an attitude like yours I really do hope, with all the will in the world, that you get what you deserve - and soon !:p

[tailscrape]

Listen easondown,

I asked the question in good faith, then people get involved being bitter and twisted. If you can't ask for info on this forum, what is the point?

You seem to have some kind of personal grudge easondown. You always come out from under your stone when I say something. Do yourself a favour and back off, before you make more of a tit of yourself than you are doing already.

I have already stated how lucky I am to have got the offer from DHL. I already stated how lucky I was to get my break in the first place. Where does your problem lie?

Quite frankly, the fact that people are out of work is desperately disappointing for all of us. I am lucky to be in the right place at the right time.

That doesn't mean I should be criticised for my good fortune does it?? And it certainly doesn't mean i should not seek advice from experienced freight dogs. I don't think you are one of those, so kindly p?ss off as you really annoy me.

Other than easondown......everybody thanks very much for your advice. I hope also that those of you who are displaced will be in gainful employment soon.

[easondown]

snailscrape...,

You really are quite entertaining for all of us, with you inept rantings and endless knowledge. Pray continue.....:p

[tailscrape]

easondown,

You are expert at dragging conversation down aren't you?

Petty name changes and the like....

I pity you. You obviously can't read.

Or spell.

As for my endless knowledge, well I guess your poor breeding and low intelligence levels are showing you up again! I asked a question, which obviously implies a lack of knowledge on my part.

You however decided to change the course of history by deciding that a lack of information actually shows that the enquirer knows it all......

Please crawl back to your hole. And stop hijacking posts. Like you always do.

[flying headbutt]

For F*%&ks sake give the guy a break, he asked a reasonable question before jumping ship. If he is coming from another operator then thats a job opening up for someone else. With 1000 hours on 757's its not as if he isn't qualified for the damn job.

Anyway, the DHL UK blokes I've met seem a good bunch of eggs it all depends if you like the permanent nights. It's not for everyone but some people love the Freightdog lifestyle.

[Offset]

What is it with all you guys?

Tailscrape came on here to ask an honest question and just gets a load of sour grapes. It seems like people are falling over themselves to put the guy down just because he's got himself a job offer. What do you want him to do - donate it to charity?. And let's face it - you make your own luck, I'm sure he got the job because he was best qualified. I know DHL and used to work for them so I know that he is being modest in just putting it down to luck

If I was recruiting (and I have been in that position, before you ask), and from what I've read here, my vote would go to tailscrape. He's living in the real world not one where we all sit around and blow sunshine up each others' arses moaning about how the world owes us a living. His posts are reasonable in my view, and a fair defence against the posts attacking him.

Goodluck Tailscrape, enjoy the fruits of your efforts.

[JW411]

I really cannot believe some of the pathetic and vindictive responses to Tailscrape's honest request for information about DHL before he accepts the job offer.

Certainly, I would be seeking information from the "horse's mouth" before I made a change in my career.

Now that I am getting towards the end of my flying career and am currently in a position to help hire good pilots, I hope that I do not have to interview too many pillocks such as xx, xx and xx

All three of you should be looking long and hard in the biggest mirror that you can find and should be asking yourself just how it was that Tailscrape got 1,000 hours on the 757 in the first place.


Sorry JW411, much as id Like to leave the names! I cant. Hogg

[Hogg]

Lads, as said before either post a relevant response to "tailscrapes" query or else Leave it out

Please stick to the topic.


Attn Tailscrape:

Go 4 it mate, good prospects, nice crews mainly, well maintained aircraft, good hotac, good fun at weekends ( as freight goes)


With regard to the base. as far as Im aware you need to be within 1 and a half hours from EMA, dont know if mode of transport is specified and standbys at home e.g. London are by prior arrangement.

Enjoy.:cool:

[Chilli Ray]

Tailscrape

As someone who was made redundant last December and still unemployed I would be quite interested in any info regarding the company you are departing from. Do DHL offer better prospects than JMC in the current climate? Why leave JMC, I am wondering as I have applied to both, JMC have not replied and DHL won't consider me because although I seem to have relevant hours 3000+ and 2000 jet I don't have 757 rating. Good luck in your job.

[Pilot Pete]

Chilli

Both Tailscrape and I were to be made redundant from jmc at the end of October 2002, so, with roughly 8 guys still on the 'hit list' there who have not found alternative employment yet it is really no suprise that you have not even received a response from them. Unfortunately it is accountants driving pilot recruitment (or redundancies in this case) despite what they are being told by pilot management regarding requirements for the future (near and distant).

I must admit to quite looking forward to the change of scenery that is Freight Dogs and the removal of those whingeing pax!

Best of luck with the job search. DHL will at some point open recruitment up to non type rated guys, my guess would be Spring/ Summer 2003.

PP

[Chilli Ray]

Thanks.
Good luck to you and to all those on "the List".

[tailscrape]

Guys,

Thanks for helping out with some sense on the thread!!

I have accepted the job, and like my mate Pilot Pete am really looking forward to the challenges ahead!

As for jmc, they ARE an excellent outfit, who despite the usual moaning do really SPOIL their crews! If they recruit again soon (in their new Thomas Cook Airlines moniker), I would suggest you get in if you can.

The pilot management are first class, and very approachable. To say I have been voluble at times in jmc is an understatement, yet I am still regarded as having a future there if the situation changes. A really good outfit!

I asked the question about DHL (which may have been seen as bragging, because I am giving up a cushy,spoilt job with a final salary pension in favour of flying at night for a new start up!), as I may have not lost my job at jmc after all........

As for DHL recruitment:

01332 857823.

Good luck everyone. See you there!!!

TS

[Tandoor]

Come on guys give the man a break. I don't know where he came from either but he's about to find out what a well kept secret night feight is! Just as long as CAA can be persuaded to understand that the longer the duty period (days) is, the safer it is! Lets have 8 on 6 off asap

[flite idol]

The best of luck Tailscrape et al, the sooner you guys are gainfullly employed the better the prospects of employment are for the moaning minnies that have no clue or experience, but choose to berate you here. Only they cant see that! Go for it!