DHL NTR FO 777

[deltahotel]

https://www.aviationjobs.me/jobs/b777-non-type-rated-first-officers-dhl-air-uk/

[Bee051]

Has anyone heard anything back yet?

[Rt Hon Jim Hacker MP]

NTR DEC 777 positions now available.

[Lew747]

Any info on lifestyle/ roster on the 777 fleet? I’ve heard it’s a good firm to work for?

[Oasis]

5 777s, 2 more this year, at least two more next year.
Rosters.. from what I hear, long patterns 10 days, multiple sectors, 5-6 days off rinse repeat trying to move to days off= days on-3.

[hans brinker]

5 777s, 2 more this year, at least two more next year.
Rosters.. from what I hear, long patterns 10 days, multiple sectors, 5-6 days off rinse repeat trying to move to days off= days on-3.

New roster: 3 days on...... ;)

[Oasis]

Dammit, there's always a catch

[hans brinker]

Dammit, there's always a catch

3:2 ratio sounds pretty close, 9 on 6 off. I've done both 2:1 (10-5) and 1:1 (7-7). Don't think I would do 2:1 long term, but we had a very decent amount of vacay days.

[rudestuff]

9/5 used to be an option on the 757, in reality it was more like 7/7. There's no reason why they couldn't do something similar. Plus 42 days leave and 6 wrap days.

[Fletch]

Out of interest, what's the fleet of choice?? Both the 76 & triple seem to have proper global operations. And is there much positioning on other carriers or does the schedule generally get you starting/back to the UK?

Not for everyone I'm sure, but it looks an interesting job.

[deltahotel]

Now that's a good question!

So, for some clarity, because nothing upsets a trainer more than doing all the work and then finding someone didn't understand the deal.....

Always start and finish at EMA. Positioning where needed can be on DHK or on a sister airline (DHA, DHX, EAT, AeroL etc).

767 USA and China
777 Global, sometimes via some fairly lengthy routings. As the fleet expands these routes will change and grow, but right now I have no idea what the final picture will be.

120 OFF days pa, 42 days LVE so contracted to do 203 days work pa (365-162). Knocking off 3 days for annual ground recurrent (and to make the maths easier), work vs off is 200:120 or 5:3, at the moment working on On/Off at 2:1 so there's some extra days off to be had somewhere.

For me the 767 by choice, but that's because at my advanced age I can't be ars$d to do another TR. Horses, courses.

HtH

[back to Boeing]

How about time to command. I’m assuming done on seniority?

[deltahotel]

Not going to comment on that, other that there have been some quick commands (business need) but basically seniority based. Plenty of command courses coming up - expansion gives opportunity.

[Fletch]

Thanks DeltaHotel.

[rudestuff]

How about time to command. I’m assuming done on seniority?
I've heard as low as 3-6 months

[deltahotel]

Mmmm. There have been some fast track commands based on previous experience and business need, but that's pushing it a bit given that there has to be the whole induction/initial training to do. As a principle, promotions should be based on seniority (assuming demonstrated suitability) but seats have to be filled. I make no predictions on time to command because growth is fast, people tend to take it as gospel and then get upset when it doesn't work out. A job applicant can have that discussion at interview.

[plumponpies]

Just to add to the comments Deltahotel made, the 777 fleet is still expanding and there is again a need for type rated DEC’s. Time to command is based on seniority and the first full command courses are set to commence in November, those courses will be for F/O’s that joined at 18 months - 2 years ago.
777 roster is not for you if time at home is what you’re after. Trips are generally 8-12 days with 4-5 days off in between.
Multiple time zone crossings, including Pacific Dateline, so rosters can be fatiguing if you’re unable to manage your rest.
However, in my opinion, the company is great, the people and fellow pilots are fantastic and the rosters will improve I’m sure once the fleet stabilises.

[Harry Grout]

There is also an advert out for non type rated 777 Direct Entry Captains. 777 fleet will grow from 5 to 11in the next 12 months.

[custard guts]

I worked for DHK for about 7 years and can say without doubt that it was the hardest job I have ever had. The rosters have always been unstable and with so many late changes, rest could be impossible to plan. Do not believe this will get better as it has been so for many years now! The best thing about this company is the other pilots you work with. I am sorry to say that in my experience, there was never much respect from the top management level for the pilot work force.

[deltahotel]

To which I ask when were you there? I guarantee it’s a very different airline to the one you left (unless that was in the last twelve months). Where I do agree is that the pilot workforce is excellent.

[Hank Schrader]

Does anyone know what the standby call out time is for DHL pilots ? Many Thanks

[SloppyJoe]

There are different types of standby. Reserve, which is the majority of standby, is 10 hours, I have never had a 10 hour call out and it has always been at the minimum a few days before. Then there is standby, you have to be within 2 hours of work, I have never been called off standby but I am always within two hours of being able to report (it used to be 90 minutes but they recently increased it). I have a 2 hour call out standby once every couple of months. Airport reserve, also about once every other month, often tagged on before a trip or after one, you have to sleep in one of the rooms at work. It is very unusual to get called out from reserve or airport reserve, the 10 hour one, which is the majority of "standby", it almost always changes to a duty about a week if not a month prior to the reserve duty. Rosters are published well in advance, eg, on the 20th October we will get the roster for December, trips do change but work days are work days, if they ask you to work on an off day it's a day off payment or you can refuse with no adverse consequences as there are always people willing to get the day off payments. It's a decent company.

This relates to DHL in the UK, I see there are lots of people in the US in this thread. There is no DHL airline in the US, just joint ventures managed by the other party. The direct entry 777 I think is just UK.

[flyerflyer1]

Any idea if this is still ongoing? I applied a month ago and no response after initial form filling etc. Have more than required req but I am NTR FO.

[deltahotel]

Still ongoing

[Yakhunt]

Has anyone heard what next year’s pay rise is expected to be ?

[deltahotel]

Not yet