SmuntCasher
16th Jun 2023, 10:18
Hi all,
I’m in my late 20s and recently ‘caught the bug’ and have been looking into the idea of becoming a pilot. I’ve wanted to fly since I was young, but always thought of it as a hobby I’d get into once I was older and wealthier. A friend who flies for fun took me on a joyride last year and I decided it was something I wanted to get into, and had the idea recently of flying professionally. I have a degree but my job isnt really a career job and I’m not interested in my industry anymore.
About me, I am a dual US/Canadian citizen, with family ties to the UK and Europe. I am eligible for the right to work in the UK via a UK Ancestry visa which gives me the unrestricted right to work in the UK for 5 years, after which I can apply for indefinite leave to remain. I am also eligible for a passport of an EU country, however obtaining it will be lengthy and expensive process, so I am not counting on it just yet.
I’ve been living the expat life around the world for the last 7 years, about half of which was in the UK. I am very keen to continue living overseas rather than return to the US or Canada in a permanent capacity, and as such I am considering getting a UK CAA fATPL and looking for a pilot job in the UK. I know for many, this sounds insane as the pilot shortage is much more intense in the US and salaries are much higher, but for the sake of this post I kindly ask you to assume I have my reasons for not wanting to return to the US long term. I would also much prefer to go straight into an airline after getting my fATPL rather than working as a CFI for 2 years.
I will be returning home soon for the summer (after a 6 month stint in SE Asia, love it here!) and plan on getting my PPL to test the waters and see if a path in aviation is right for me. If so, I plan on then looking into my options for a UK CAA fATPL.
My questions for you are:
1. Is it possible to complete a modular UK CAA fATPL entirely in the USA? The reason I ask is because it seems the USA is the cheapest place to fly and learn, and obviously has better weather. It will also take me around a year to get all the documents I need for the UK ancestry visa, whereas I could start learning and flying in the USA right away. Since I will be going modular, I’d also like to work while I’m learning to help with the costs. If I went to the UK on a student visa, my understanding is I would be limited in how much I’m allowed to work (I’ve been on a student visa there before, it was 20 hours and many employers wouldn’t hire me because of this limit).
2. Will my Ancestry visa hold me back when applying for jobs in the UK? Even though the visa more or less grants me permanent residency, so long as I continue to live in the UK for 4/5 years, I would imagine an airline would prefer somebody who is either already a UK national or has a more ‘concrete’ visa situation. I’ve also read that the pilot shortage is much, much smaller in the UK and the job market is already competitive enough.
3. Should I look into a hybrid UK CAA/EASA fATPL if I know I’ll have an EU passport eventually? Or should I hold off on the EASA part until I have the passport and know I can use it? I would probably prefer to live somewhere in the EU one day than in the UK, and from what I’ve read the ceiling seems to be a bit higher for captain pay in the EU than the UK.
If you made it this far, thanks for reading! Look forward to reading everyone’s feedback.
I’m in my late 20s and recently ‘caught the bug’ and have been looking into the idea of becoming a pilot. I’ve wanted to fly since I was young, but always thought of it as a hobby I’d get into once I was older and wealthier. A friend who flies for fun took me on a joyride last year and I decided it was something I wanted to get into, and had the idea recently of flying professionally. I have a degree but my job isnt really a career job and I’m not interested in my industry anymore.
About me, I am a dual US/Canadian citizen, with family ties to the UK and Europe. I am eligible for the right to work in the UK via a UK Ancestry visa which gives me the unrestricted right to work in the UK for 5 years, after which I can apply for indefinite leave to remain. I am also eligible for a passport of an EU country, however obtaining it will be lengthy and expensive process, so I am not counting on it just yet.
I’ve been living the expat life around the world for the last 7 years, about half of which was in the UK. I am very keen to continue living overseas rather than return to the US or Canada in a permanent capacity, and as such I am considering getting a UK CAA fATPL and looking for a pilot job in the UK. I know for many, this sounds insane as the pilot shortage is much more intense in the US and salaries are much higher, but for the sake of this post I kindly ask you to assume I have my reasons for not wanting to return to the US long term. I would also much prefer to go straight into an airline after getting my fATPL rather than working as a CFI for 2 years.
I will be returning home soon for the summer (after a 6 month stint in SE Asia, love it here!) and plan on getting my PPL to test the waters and see if a path in aviation is right for me. If so, I plan on then looking into my options for a UK CAA fATPL.
My questions for you are:
1. Is it possible to complete a modular UK CAA fATPL entirely in the USA? The reason I ask is because it seems the USA is the cheapest place to fly and learn, and obviously has better weather. It will also take me around a year to get all the documents I need for the UK ancestry visa, whereas I could start learning and flying in the USA right away. Since I will be going modular, I’d also like to work while I’m learning to help with the costs. If I went to the UK on a student visa, my understanding is I would be limited in how much I’m allowed to work (I’ve been on a student visa there before, it was 20 hours and many employers wouldn’t hire me because of this limit).
2. Will my Ancestry visa hold me back when applying for jobs in the UK? Even though the visa more or less grants me permanent residency, so long as I continue to live in the UK for 4/5 years, I would imagine an airline would prefer somebody who is either already a UK national or has a more ‘concrete’ visa situation. I’ve also read that the pilot shortage is much, much smaller in the UK and the job market is already competitive enough.
3. Should I look into a hybrid UK CAA/EASA fATPL if I know I’ll have an EU passport eventually? Or should I hold off on the EASA part until I have the passport and know I can use it? I would probably prefer to live somewhere in the EU one day than in the UK, and from what I’ve read the ceiling seems to be a bit higher for captain pay in the EU than the UK.
If you made it this far, thanks for reading! Look forward to reading everyone’s feedback.