Command on A320

[C152Heavy]

Seems like a lot of Airbus FOs are going to the 320 for command, any news?

[Bekol delay]

Yes, it's deemed an on-fleet upgrade.

[FlybywireFamily]

So how many years from FO to command?

[Zi Peng]

So how many years from FO to command?

Nobody knows if you join now.
Not a career airline anymore.

[RAT Management]

So how many years from FO to command?
They can't even tell ex Dragon captains when they will do their relief command check, let alone a command upgrade. But senior managers meet every 3 weeks to discuss the 5 year plan.:ok:

[controlledrest]

The ex-Dragon pilots are being put on hold again, instead local SOs are being pushed through as the mis-managers now calculate that the SOs are so inexperienced that they will be reaching command without the required hours.

Some of the Dragon pilots have completed 330 ground courses, not touched the aircraft but are now being lined up for the 350 as they will meet Relief requirements and can be fast tracked to that role.

The 777 pilots remain unusable as there are simply not enough trainers on that fleet.

[propje]

The ex-Dragon pilots are being put on hold again, instead local SOs are being pushed through as the mis-managers now calculate that the SOs are so inexperienced that they will be reaching command without the required hours.

Some of the Dragon pilots have completed 330 ground courses, not touched the aircraft but are now being lined up for the 350 as they will meet Relief requirements and can be fast tracked to that role.

The 777 pilots remain unusable as there are simply not enough trainers on that fleet.


Relief requirement only when 3000 hrs on CX Airbus, all the Airbus time in KA is not counted

[Gnadenburg]

Is that Flight Op’s pettiness or a legitimate operational requirement? Certainly doesn’t seem a smart way to ramp up operations quickly.

[BuzzBox]

Is that Flight Op’s pettiness or a legitimate operational requirement? Certainly doesn’t seem a smart way to ramp up operations quickly.

I think that 3,000 hour comment was tongue-in-cheek. In the past, relief FOs only needed 20 sectors on type post check, 200 hours on Company aircraft and 2 PC renewals since joining the Company.

[Gaisha]

It is unlikely that the ex KA pilots will upgrade ahead of seniority. There are plenty of FO’s reaching the 4000 hour mark who have been in cathay for 9+ years and they should be prioritised. Combine that with the lack of trainers and sectors , it will probably be 3-4 years before they can upgrade to captain to be optimistic. Realistically probably more like 5-7 years. CX needs to look after its own before accommodating outsiders. KA was shutdown and it was a terrible shame but that should not impact the existing CX crew who have been waiting patiently for an upgrade. The KA pilots got a decent payout when the curtains came down and there are plenty of opportunities in GBA or HKE if they want a fast track command.

[Gnadenburg]

CX needs to look after its own before accommodating outsiders. KA was shutdown and it was a terrible shame but that should not impact the existing CX crew who have been waiting patiently for an upgrade. The KA pilots got a decent payout when the curtains came down and there are plenty of opportunities in GBA or HKE if they want a fast track command.

Wow are some of those left at CX really so delusional? Weren’t ex-CX commanders invited back to CX with their old seat rank? Wouldn’t that be accommodating outsiders for commercial expedience?

[QNH set]

It is unlikely that the ex KA pilots will upgrade ahead of seniority. There are plenty of FO’s reaching the 4000 hour mark who have been in cathay for 9+ years and they should be prioritised. Combine that with the lack of trainers and sectors , it will probably be 3-4 years before they can upgrade to captain to be optimistic. Realistically probably more like 5-7 years. CX needs to look after its own before accommodating outsiders. KA was shutdown and it was a terrible shame but that should not impact the existing CX crew who have been waiting patiently for an upgrade. The KA pilots got a decent payout when the curtains came down and there are plenty of opportunities in GBA or HKE if they want a fast track command.

you might like to ask the FOs who have not even got PR about receiving command letters, in some cases 9 years out of seniority…

[propje]

Ex KA all hired as JFO not sure if you can be relief qualified as a JFO so you need 3000 hrs on CX Airbus to upgrade to FO and then do you relief qualification.....please correct me if I am wrong

[Babyjet_dododo]

Ex KA all hired as JFO not sure if you can be relief qualified as a JFO so you need 3000 hrs on CX Airbus to upgrade to FO and then do you relief qualification.....please correct me if I am wrong

JFO no longer exists, it FO1 and FO2. An FO1 can be relief qualified and are entitled to an additional allowance.

[LLLQNH]

you might like to ask the FOs who have not even got PR about receiving command letters, in some cases 9 years out of seniority…

How is it out of seniority? If they are the next most senior pilots who meet the requirements ie hours? You want them to stop all
command upgrades until you have the hours and not allow anyone junior to upgrade....let's be realistic. tbf they have followed seniority in selecting people for command upgrade so far. Don't forget you also have to put your hand up, plenty of senior experienced FOs for whatever reason aren't putting their hands up for Command.

[BuzzBox]

…you need 3000 hrs on CX Airbus to upgrade to FO and then do you relief qualification.....please correct me if I am wrong

Complete rubbish. Read the Minimum Qualification and Experience Requirements in OPS-A.

[C152Heavy]

How is it out of seniority? If they are the next most senior pilots who meet the requirements ie hours? You want them to stop all
command upgrades until you have the hours and not allow anyone junior to upgrade....let's be realistic. tbf they have followed seniority in selecting people for command upgrade so far. Don't forget you also have to put your hand up, plenty of senior experienced FOs for whatever reason aren't putting their hands up for Command.
"For whatever reason..." I guess the primary reason is the absolute **** CN roster and the fact that you can end up your career on the A320....better stay FO or leave.

[controlledrest]

JFO no longer exists, it FO1 and FO2. An FO1 can be relief qualified and are entitled to an additional allowance.
The Dragon pilots are on FO1 pay. The company doesn't recognize their hours for the pay bands, but does recognize their hours for promotion to RQ or command.

[controlledrest]

you might like to ask the FOs who have not even got PR about receiving command letters, in some cases 9 years out of seniority…

What has PR got to do with anything? If you have the right to work in HKG you have the right to work in HKG.

[ACMS]

Fighting over the scraps, how cute, good luck fellas Cx has your best interests at heart I’m sure……

[Kokoro]

Relief requirement only when 3000 hrs on CX Airbus, all the Airbus time in KA is not counted

where did you get that info? 3000h/2400h is FO2, just a different salary.

the DEFOs will only need 500h company providing that they are RQ, to apply for command, which will might come at the same time.

The DEFOs joining CX from a CX group company will get priority over other DEFOs. Management mentioned the rule of 3years minimum (not written anywhere though).
The seniority is still the first consideration, but as many new FOs (previously SO) won’t reach the requirements on time, they gonna pick the DEFOs, depending on experience and performance. Thats what happen when you don’t have enough pilots.

[VforVENDETTA]

where did you get that info? 3000h/2400h is FO2, just a different salary.

the DEFOs will only need 500h company providing that they are RQ, to apply for command, which will might come at the same time.

The DEFOs joining CX from a CX group company will get priority over other DEFOs. Management mentioned the rule of 3years minimum (not written anywhere though).
The seniority is still the first consideration, but as many new FOs (previously SO) won’t reach the requirements on time, they gonna pick the DEFOs, depending on experience and performance. Thats what happen when you don’t have enough pilots.

That's very funny. Clearly you're new to cathay. There never was a clear reasoning logic to follow when it comes to command upgrades, not even back in the better days. Whatever method to the madness there was it was never clear to follow. "Depending on experience and performance" ? Laughable. If they percieve you to be on the cusp of leaving they will come up with some really silly excuses/lies or just no excuse at all to delay you while others with much less experience and performance get the nod. Meaning if you have so much experience that it's easier for you to get another job and leave, you're now considered a flight risk. Someone below you on their own assesment list of experience and performance will be picked instead, because said person does not have enough hope of getting hired elsewhere anytime soon.

This is a very major decision factor on the star chamber for the last 2 years. Less experience and performance helps you get selected. Because you have less of a chance to get hired elsewhere anytime soon.

[deja vu]

It is unlikely that the ex KA pilots will upgrade ahead of seniority. There are plenty of FO’s reaching the 4000 hour mark who have been in cathay for 9+ years and they should be prioritised. Combine that with the lack of trainers and sectors , it will probably be 3-4 years before they can upgrade to captain to be optimistic. Realistically probably more like 5-7 years. CX needs to look after its own before accommodating outsiders. KA was shutdown and it was a terrible shame but that should not impact the existing CX crew who have been waiting patiently for an upgrade. The KA pilots got a decent payout when the curtains came down and there are plenty of opportunities in GBA or HKE if they want a fast track command.
What a perfect match. You deserve CX and CX deserve you .

[magenta magnet]

Seniority (not that it exists anymore) is or was one of the most important factors in any airline. In simple terms, you join you get a number, start at the bottom and slowly but surely tick your way up the list. As you go up the list your salary increase and so your command slot comes closer and closer. It should be easy to see, not hidden or some managers secret etc. If I'm an F/O and there are 100 people in front of me before command, and the airline is retiring 20 Captains a year, then I can easily work out that I have 5 years to wait for command if things stay the same.

I do not agree with other pilots being hired and slotting in anywhere the manager sees fit, that is not on. Hire new people if the company needs it by all means, but you start at the bottom like everyone else and work your way up. IF the company desperately needs a Captain and can't find any suitable candidates then they may hire a DEC, but that should be an exception not a rule.

I was hired as a DEC of an airline long long ago, only because there were no F/O's who qualified to be Captain because of the requirements, so I was an exception but not a rule.

[Krone]

Im ex Ka, now swinging my ding a ling elsewhere in the world. Its sad that nothings changed since I left KA. We’ll on pprune, I mean. Bickering over the cos, seniority , rank . What a pointless waste of your energy, guys.

The game has changed. Some of us will not fly again, wether out of choice or otherwise. Some old school guys I know are actually on their way back to cx, tails firmly planted between legs.

enjoy the good things, the low taxation, the overnight massages, a few beers & bitch .
For soon enough, it will end, you’ll look back and think, what on earth did I do with all those years other than moaning and whining . Its not so bad in CX, just play the game. Their game.

[Babyjet_dododo]

Im ex Ka, now swinging my ding a ling elsewhere in the world. Its sad that nothings changed since I left KA. We’ll on pprune, I mean. Bickering over the cos, seniority , rank . What a pointless waste of your energy, guys.

The game has changed. Some of us will not fly again, wether out of choice or otherwise. Some old school guys I know are actually on their way back to cx, tails firmly planted between legs.

enjoy the good things, the low taxation, the overnight massages, a few beers & bitch .
For soon enough, it will end, you’ll look back and think, what on earth did I do with all those years other than moaning and whining . Its not so bad in CX, just play the game. Their game.

I don’t know why you can’t see the obvious. When I look back I want to see that my hard work has paid off not destroyed by a POS Swire frog. I want to retire comfortably. CX under the new COS doesn’t offer that.

Im not the smartest person in the world but I know enough to project my finances till retirement and CX under COS18 will not give me that opportunity, I really don’t want to go into sim instructing (CX or another company) till I drop dead.

“Oh you should be smarter with your finances” - Yes I was when I was employed under COS08 and the ability to save money, invest and have a QOL, but now under COS18, I’m faced with increasing difficult decisions. Such as: Do I stay in HK with my family and lose the QOL as I won’t be saving much, or do I move my family back to my home country so they can have a QOL and I see them maybe once every month and miss out on precious moments? Or do I move to another company that provided me with what CX did previously prior to COS18?

[RAT Management]

I don’t know why you can’t see the obvious. When I look back I want to see that my hard work has paid off not destroyed by a POS Swire frog. I want to retire comfortably. CX under the new COS doesn’t offer that.

Im not the smartest person in the world but I know enough to project my finances till retirement and CX under COS18 will not give me that opportunity, I really don’t want to go into sim instructing (CX or another company) till I drop dead.

“Oh you should be smarter with your finances” - Yes I was when I was employed under COS08 and the ability to save money, invest and have a QOL, but now under COS18, I’m faced with increasing difficult decisions. Such as: Do I stay in HK with my family and lose the QOL as I won’t be saving much, or do I move my family back to my home country so they can have a QOL and I see them maybe once every month and miss out on precious moments? Or do I move to another company that provided me with what CX did previously prior to COS18?
The answer is C. Go somewhere else.

[raven11]

I agree with RAT, the answer is C.
Cathay ceased being a first world employer of pilots long ago. Their disdain for pilots is palatable, aided by a ring of sycophantic mid managers who sacrifice their dignity to implement policies that diminish operational standards along with pay and benefits. The Dunning-Kruger effect is well entrenched and on display among them.
You should feel pride working for a first class employer, as we once did; pride in providing a high standard in quality of life for your family; pride in wearing the uniform; pride in the knowledge that you were hired and promoted by meeting the highest standard of excellence in aviation. Instead, you feel trapped and stuck in a penny pinching environment with no light at the end of the tunnel; where you are not respected, certainly not appreciated, and under the thumb of those with a warped sense of right and wrong.
Free yourself and your families. Move back to your home country or to any western jurisdiction to rediscover happiness, self-worth and psychological well-being.

[Air Profit]

Raven. Absolutely the best and most eloquent explanation of the present day reality of CX. Thank you.

[corporal klinger]

I say it's all hypocritical bs. Nobody was ever proud or felt respected, It was always down to money and only money. And don't get me started on those complaining for years while still staying or those who endured their time, left with money but now morally lecture others. What a farcical joke.

[Kokoro]

Rather change the job then..
Guys Tell me in which Airline you earn good money, you feel respected, etc.. the World has changed as the industry, so adapt or change your job. Resilience 😅

[cygnet78]

Please dont complain and keep flying for CX. hahahaha

[KABOY]

Rather change the job then..
Guys Tell me in which Airline you earn good money, you feel respected, etc.. the World has changed as the industry, so adapt or change your job. Resilience 😅

Hahaha, Hong Kong has changed, so your opinion is somewhat limited

Outside of Hong Kong and dare I say it….Asia, there is actually places where pilot remuneration hasn’t gone backwards but actually improved.

So yeah, resilience is required if you suck up what CX offers.

Anyone that lasts with CX is truly resilient or myopic.

Bur Cx needed to go backwards because they were so far ahead right?

That Cos 18 adjustment has truly been benchmarked on a global level with all those changes.. and changes that most regulators outside of Asia would reject on safety grounds.

Cathay Pacific, mainland China’s world airline, built on the values of todays modern day communism.

[corporal klinger]

Kaboy, who do you work for then?

[KABOY]

Kaboy, who do you work for then?

I work for a company that allows me to put 2 children through private schools of my choice, live in a house that is 3000 sq/ft, sail my 45 ft yacht on my part time roster(2 weeks ON/OFF). I have an excellent provident fund and my terms are considered full time for the purpose of leave.

You wouldn't even know the name of the company I work for. Not all companies need to be an EK, QR or similar because these opportunities are there for those who 'dare to explore'.

[RAT Management]

I work for a company that allows me to put 2 children through private schools of my choice, live in a house that is 3000 sq/ft, sail my 45 ft yacht on my part time roster(2 weeks ON/OFF). I have an excellent provident fund and my terms are considered full time for the purpose of leave.

You wouldn't even know the name of the company I work for. Not all companies need to be an EK, QR or similar because these opportunities are there for those who 'dare to explore'.
So your full of it then! ( Put a "sh" in front of the "it" if you want to know what IT is!)

[KABOY]

So your full of it then! ( Put a "sh" in front of the "it" if you want to know what IT is!)

And that is why you shall remain a CX employee, enjoy the best that HK can offer.

[Oasis]

I work for a company that allows me to put 2 children through private schools of my choice, live in a house that is 3000 sq/ft, sail my 45 ft yacht on my part time roster(2 weeks ON/OFF). I have an excellent provident fund and my terms are considered full time for the purpose of leave.

You wouldn't even know the name of the company I work for. Not all companies need to be an EK, QR or similar because these opportunities are there for those who 'dare to explore'.

Sounds like a great place to work! Would you be able to PM me where to start 'exploring'?

[pill]

Purple Tie Sabbatical for SO's. You'd be brave. The choice of words says it all really. Might be the right move for some looking to move past P2X time, but would you ever see a wide body course for the rest of your career? Who Knows? No guarantee of anything under the magnificent amendable handbook we find ourselves attached to.

[Rie]

Purple Tie Sabbatical for SO's. You'd be brave. The choice of words says it all really. Might be the right move for some looking to move past P2X time, but would you ever see a wide body course for the rest of your career? Who Knows? No guarantee of anything under the magnificent amendable handbook we find ourselves attached to.
Just remember that UO management isn't a Cathay mindset. It could be a good move, but no command will come from it... Ever.

[sjimmy]

No Ex KA pilot should ever get a command in Cathay.
the KA pilot group ran like little children to the immigration department to start a case against active CX pilots.
pilots who were years in CX, even only on a base, never did the time in HKG
SO didn’t get renewals for their visum
and and and.
so when COVID hit no PR and bye bye, well doen KA pilotes

Basically the KA pilot group are responsible for a lot **** happening in CX, it cost CX pilots a lot of stress and CX a lot of money.

no Ex KA driver should ever have an Command and should be made cat D immediately.

but
they will go well with CX management and slime their way up.

[Asianexpress]

No Ex KA pilot should ever get a command in Cathay.
the KA pilot group ran like little children to the immigration department to start a case against active CX pilots.
pilots who were years in CX, even only on a base, never did the time in HKG
SO didn’t get renewals for their visum
and and and.
so when COVID hit no PR and bye bye, well doen KA pilotes

Basically the KA pilot group are responsible for a lot **** happening in CX, it cost CX pilots a lot of stress and CX a lot of money.

no Ex KA driver should ever have an Command and should be made cat D immediately.

but
they will go well with CX management and slime their way up.


Have a few more Jimmy.

Hope you never have to go through what the KA group and their families did.

Some of those that were kept, were needed to get the 320 disaster up and running, you can get rid of those managers now. How ever leave the others alone, they are just trying to crawl their lives back together.

[Dragon_Delight]

No Ex KA pilot should ever get a command in Cathay.
the KA pilot group ran like little children to the immigration department to start a case against active CX pilots.
pilots who were years in CX, even only on a base, never did the time in HKG
SO didn’t get renewals for their visum
and and and.
so when COVID hit no PR and bye bye, well doen KA pilotes

Basically the KA pilot group are responsible for a lot **** happening in CX, it cost CX pilots a lot of stress and CX a lot of money.

no Ex KA driver should ever have an Command and should be made cat D immediately.

but
they will go well with CX management and slime their way up.

Hope you never have to lose your job in your career mate.

[Gaisha]

Hope you never have to lose your job in your career mate.


On the contrary. Hope he does lose his job…. Will give him a taste of what the KA guys went through.

[sassyjustice]

No Ex KA pilot should ever get a command in Cathay.
the KA pilot group ran like little children to the immigration department to start a case against active CX pilots.
pilots who were years in CX, even only on a base, never did the time in HKG
SO didn’t get renewals for their visum
and and and.
so when COVID hit no PR and bye bye, well doen KA pilotes

Basically the KA pilot group are responsible for a lot **** happening in CX, it cost CX pilots a lot of stress and CX a lot of money.

no Ex KA driver should ever have an Command and should be made cat D immediately.

but
they will go well with CX management and slime their way up.


I hope you lose your job Jimmy. Give you a taste of what "a lot of stress" really is.

[K-13]

I think you have missed the point. The actions of those KA pilots mentioned above lead to many CX pilots having to sacrifice their job.

No winners, just losers everywhere!

[sjimmy]

I think you have missed the point. The actions of those KA pilots mentioned above lead to many CX pilots having to sacrifice their job.

No winners, just losers everywhere!

Exactly,
The entitled KA boys seem to forget that because of their actions at the Immigration department they actively are responsible for 1000+ pilots losing their jobs when the bases closed. No HK PR, bye bye.
even after 20+ years in CX.

and now they all are entitled to a fast command.
Hell No.
KA pilots are seriously responsible of ******* with careers in CX even when they were not there.

so again,
Ex KA should never get a command and actively avoided and cat D ed.

[sassyjustice]

Exactly,
The entitled KA boys seem to forget that because of their actions at the Immigration department they actively are responsible for 1000+ pilots losing their jobs when the bases closed. No HK PR, bye bye.
even after 20+ years in CX.

and now they all are entitled to a fast command.
Hell No.
KA pilots are seriously responsible of ******* with careers in CX even when they were not there.

so again,
Ex KA should never get a command and actively avoided and cat D ed.

Sure, if you say so. Let's put pilots straight out of flying school into the left hand seat then. You really are an intelligent one.

[Dragon_Delight]

I find it hilarious nowadays pilots are going against each other but not the management for their questionable decisions.
With some exceptions, most CX pilots worked 20+ years would have probably lived in Hong Kong for more than 7 years. Any reason for not applying PR?
Besides, the requests they put to IMMD were simply asking the gov to enforce the exisitng General Employment Policy. Most civilised countries put their local/people with PR before expats with work visa.
Will be interesting to see one day if you lose your job, will you be sitting on your hands and accept your fate?
There were many other ways the management could have put everyone in a better position. For instance, perhaps no pay leave instead of redundancy? That would have probably avoided the narrow body and media disaster. Let’s just say im not suprised to see people protecting their rights when you force them into survival mode.
For command upgrades, if you don’t have the hours, you don’t have the hours. simple as that. Puting the next one up following seniority seems to be making sense to me. I would very much prefer it to be in this way than introducing DECs.

[sjimmy]

Sure, if you say so. Let's put pilots straight out of flying school into the left hand seat then. You really are an intelligent one.

You seem to be the “intelligent” one.
plenty of non KA drivers in CX with the hours. who joined CX before you. No need to jump the que.
and yes there were CX drivers who were on a base with no PR for more then 20 years, which were let go.

you only asked the immigration department bla bla bla.
Point is it was done and actively underwritten by plenty KA drivers.
You don’t seem to realise you are responsible of 1000+ pilots let go on the bases, with no PR.
So stop your whining. And Man up.
those are the fact

[KABOY]

You seem to be the “intelligent” one.
plenty of non KA drivers in CX with the hours. who joined CX before you. No need to jump the que.
and yes there were CX drivers who were on a base with no PR for more then 20 years, which were let go.

you only asked the immigration department bla bla bla.
Point is it was done and actively underwritten by plenty KA drivers.
You don’t seem to realise you are responsible of 1000+ pilots let go on the bases, with no PR.
So stop your whining. And Man up.
those are the fact

You truly are a fool, but another one who justifies the reasons to maintain your employment with such a fine establishment. Enjoy that block hour payrise, truly a generous act after ripping it from you, Indian giving comes to mind..

The damage was done by your current executive management, with the chairman currently reaping in his $24MHKD per year. But let's not look into the semantics of this, after all he promised Carrie no job losses and walked away with a couple of billion, then slashed a couple thousand jobs. So be grateful you are still working in this toxic place, it could have been you looking for a job over the border.

Having pilots working for a HK carrier with no PR, whilst sacking pilots with PR living in HK was never going to work, do I need to say it again(fool)! This was Carrie's last play after Healy made a fool of her.

"Before a man speaks it is always safe to assume that he is a fool. After he speaks, it is seldom necessary to assume it." —HL Mencken

[Dragon Pacific]

Being employed on a base by CX can in no way confer employment rights in HK, to support a work visa for ex CX based pilots would require lying on the company’s supporting documentation that there were no available suitable candidates locally. That would be a criminal offence. Eventually the company gave a job to every suitable applicant ex KA which meant that supporting visa applications is now legal.
The based pilots now have a good deal in that they can come back in their previous rank and pay.
The KA pilots were merely making sure that immigration knew they were qualified and available, they were looking after their own interests and why shouldn’t they?

[VR-HFX]

When I left last night I saw a lot of green tailed kit strewn around the aerodrome, some of it obviously still moth-balled. The last 4 sectors I have been on were all 100% full. Surely there is enough work for everyone who wants to work under the current crap T&C's. As hard as it may be, might I respectfully suggest less "rear-vision-mirror" and more "bury-the-hatchet". Guessing the training section is totally overwhelmed but the future starts today not 3 years ago. Good luck to you all. FWIW.

[Dragon_Delight]

You seem to be the “intelligent” one.
plenty of non KA drivers in CX with the hours. who joined CX before you. No need to jump the que.
and yes there were CX drivers who were on a base with no PR for more then 20 years, which were let go.

you only asked the immigration department bla bla bla.
Point is it was done and actively underwritten by plenty KA drivers.
You don’t seem to realise you are responsible of 1000+ pilots let go on the bases, with no PR.
So stop your whining. And Man up.
those are the fact

this guy really thinks he’s above the employment law and forgot thats how he got his job in the first place. what a fool.
at the end of the day you always have the option to go home. locals here have nowhere else to go.

[Dingleberry Handpump]

Speaking of ‘local qualified candidates’, I I never realised KA had so many 777/747/A50 rated pilots.

[Dragon_Delight]

Speaking of ‘local qualified candidates’, I I never realised KA had so many 777/747/A50 rated pilots.
you forgot the 330 and 321 mate:)
or maybe you just left them out on purpose.
speaking of which, putting local qualified candidates on non type rated fleet is another management decision again

[deja vu]

Exactly,
The entitled KA boys seem to forget that because of their actions at the Immigration department they actively are responsible for 1000+ pilots losing their jobs when the bases closed. No HK PR, bye bye.
even after 20+ years in CX.

and now they all are entitled to a fast command.
Hell No.
KA pilots are seriously responsible of ******* with careers in CX even when they were not there.

so again,
Ex KA should never get a command and actively avoided and cat D ed.

I'm ex KA, retired and happily left the sh8thole that isHong Kong when you were probably still peeing in your short pants at junior school.

But I am sorry that I never got the chance to **** any current CX toddlers, I would have worn it as a badge of honour, as would most CX crews of the time.

[Australia2]

No Ex KA pilot should ever get a command in Cathay.
the KA pilot group ran like little children to the immigration department to start a case against active CX pilots.
pilots who were years in CX, even only on a base, never did the time in HKG
SO didn’t get renewals for their visum
and and and.
so when COVID hit no PR and bye bye, well doen KA pilotes
Basically the KA pilot group are responsible for a lot **** happening in CX, it cost CX pilots a lot of stress and CX a lot of money.
no Ex KA driver should ever have an Command and should be made cat D immediately.
but
they will go well with CX management and slime their way up.

sjimmy,

The rationale of your clearly twisted phsyche is truly bewildering - this from your post of August 2018 :

Brake adjuster,
I was part of the Dragon Cargo mob, and proud to have flown with such a nice bunch on FEs they all made a my day easy as a captain on the classic. Excellent bunch of people from various backgrounds.
Sadly I find your sense of entitlement to a job with Dragon amazing. Like you are gods gift to aviation!
We had initially 3 and later 4 classics so limited jobs available.
maybe you should have gotten your thumb out off your xxx and applied earlier.

I assume you joined CX as a DEC when you came across from KA ?

So which camp is it ace, or do you just hate everyone ?

I have some great memories left in HKG but I’m grateful every day I’m out of the toxic work culture that now prevails.

[Dingleberry Handpump]

you forgot the 330 and 321 mate:)
or maybe you just left them out on purpose.
speaking of which, putting local qualified candidates on non type rated fleet is another management decision again
Yet the majority of the redundancies weren’t on the 330, and the 321 wasn’t in flying service for quite some time after the cull.

Ultimately, it beggars belief that some people from a separate, folded airline think they’re entitled to anything at Cathay.

Glad I’m out of the hell hole.

[main_dog]

Dividi et impera