Lockheed Jetstar

[T J Johansen]

I was recently looking at some photos I have and one was of a Lockheed Jetstar. This made me wonder if any of those gas guzzling VIP transports still fly? I ventured over to airliners.net to see if any of their photos showed recent action. They did not. So, does any of the forumites know of any of these classic jets which still ply their trade in the wild blue yonder? I remember seeing a few of them back in the early 90s while at Chino. Mostly Mexican registered, and stored on a ramp adjacent to Charlie Nichols Yanks on the western side of the field. Never saw any of them fly in or out. In fact, never seen one fly!

T J

[chevvron]

Nigel Mansell used to fly in one in the late '90s; apparently whenever he went to Leuchars (for golf) he used to use a callsign similar to a royal flight and it annoyed the RAF!

[Self loading bear]

In this 2019 video one jetstar return to Cobb field somebody says This is 1 of the last 4 flying then.
Jetstar returns to Cobb
on Facebook there is something about last flights sept -dec 2020 of 3 jets last Flights to be broken up for re-use of the engines in Da-50

[cavuman1]

One-half century ago (tempus fugit!), I was living in my hometown of Atlanta and friends with a very nice lad my age, Walker Birdsong, whose father was the chief sales representative for the Lockheed Jetstar. Lockheed's headquarters were in Marietta, Georgia, about 12 miles north of "Hotlanner". Walker and his Dad offered me a ride on a newly-minted Jetstar, which I readily accepted. The flight was almost an hour in duration and we reached 30,000 ft. at 550 m.p.h. The cabin seated 10 and felt somewhat cramped and the noise level was not "whisper quiet". This was my first and only experience as a passenger in a corporate jet and I was awestruck. I still want one all these years later! Goldfinger, Pussy Galore, and Bond....

- Ed

[SpringHeeledJack]

Did anyone read about the ex-Elvis Jetstar that has been bought by some social=media star who is converting it to some kind of road vehicle......uh ha ha.

[DaveReidUK]

The JetStar was an amazing machine for its time.

I can't recall any other aircraft that had an all-flying tailplane that was rigidly attached to the fin. Go figure. :O

[chevvron]

One-half century ago (tempus fugit!), I was living in my hometown of Atlanta and friends with a very nice lad my age, Walker Birdsong, whose father was the chief sales representative for the Lockheed Jetstar. Lockheed's headquarters were in Marietta, Georgia, about 12 miles north of "Hotlanner". Walker and his Dad offered me a ride on a newly-minted Jetstar, which I readily accepted. The flight was almost an hour in duration and we reached 30,000 ft. at 550 m.p.h. The cabin seated 10 and felt somewhat cramped and the noise level was not "whisper quiet". This was my first and only experience as a passenger in a corporate jet and I was awestruck. I still want one all these years later! Goldfinger, Pussy Galore, and Bond....

- Ed
It was the noise which 'killed' it; one of the first aircraft to be banned at Farnborough.

[megan]

I can't recall any other aircraft that had an all-flying tailplane that was rigidly attached to the finThey just copied the Mooney light aircraft Dave. ;) It was the noise which 'killed' it; one of the first aircraft to be banned at FarnboroughWould it be correct to assume chevvron that would have been the early version fitted with the Pratt & Whitney JT12s, production swapped to the Garrett TFE731 turbofan because of noise, an engine widely used in biz jets such as Lear and Jet Commander.

Lockheed made a big pitch to Associated Airlines in Oz and had the chief pilot, who I knew, spend much time in the US flying the aircraft. The airline was the executive transport arm of the BHP company and not an airline as such. The aircraft was not deemed suitable to their needs and they purchased a G1 a year before the Jetstar gained certification instead.

[chevvron]

They just copied the Mooney light aircraft Dave. ;) Would it be correct to assume chevvron that would have been the early version fitted with the Pratt & Whitney JT12s, production swapped to the Garrett TFE731 turbofan because of noise, an engine widely used in biz jets such as Lear and Jet Commander.

Don't know about that; it certainly sounded noisy to the ear but of course that means nothing, however the G2 and G3 with Speys got banned at Farnborough at the same time (apart from 'hush kitted' G3s); with a newly developed airfield surrounded by NIMBYs the operators wanted to be pro-active with noise regulaions.

[brakedwell]

I took this photo from an RAF Britannia when visiting Offutt AFB Nebraska in 1968. I think they were Jetstars!

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[Liffy 1M]

No, those are T-39A Sabreliners - a contemporary of the JetStar but a good deal smaller.

[SimonPaddo]

Don't know about that; it certainly sounded noisy to the ear but of course that means nothing, however the G2 and G3 with Speys got banned at Farnborough at the same time (apart from 'hush kitted' G3s); with a newly developed airfield surrounded by NIMBYs the operators wanted to be pro-active with noise regulaions.

Ironic given what flew at Farnborough in the RAE heyday, no hush kits in sight. Especially now Gulfstream have a major maintenance facility here now.

[treadigraph]

The JetStar's competitor, the prototype McDonnell 119/220 is still stored at El Paso (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@31.7947266,-106.3862801,105m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en) - a sort of mini DC-8. Changed flights at El Paso around 20 years ago, if I'd known it was there I might have whipped out of the terminal to to take a peek! Unfortunately we landed/departed on R/W 22 from which it would probably have been invisible...

Always liked the JetStar, like the GII/GIII proper GA iron!

[chevvron]

Ironic given what flew at Farnborough in the RAE heyday, no hush kits in sight. Especially now Gulfstream have a major maintenance facility here now.
When I was going through the records of movements at Farnborough as recorded in the '50s, I found them broken down into 'piston' and 'jet' and the numbers were roughly equal.
Not only that, there were records of some flying throughout the night!(the stats included the number of movements for every hour of the day/night)
Even in my day (1974 until the finish of Experimental Flying in 1995) we had the occasional Hunter, Jaguar and Buccaneer operating as late as 11pm or even midnight and helicopters until about 3 am.

[TCU]

The Iraqi and Libyan Govt Jetstars we regular visitors to London's airports in the 70's/80's, looking spectacular in their respective national airline liveries.

Also, once saw FAA Jetstar N1 paying a visit to Stansted

Such a purposeful looking aircraft

[chevvron]

The Iraqi and Libyan Govt Jetstars we regular visitors to London's airports in the 70's/80's, looking spectacular in their respective national airline liveries.

Also, once saw FAA Jetstar N1 paying a visit to Stansted

Such a purposeful looking aircraft
I vaguely recall a Jetstar which seemed to do a 'regular' run to Luxor from Farnborough.

[pax britanica]

TCU, back in my enthisiast (spotting) days early 60s a couple of fellow fans and I sneaked up to the edge of the long gone, once famous 'Fields' hangar, at LHR (around where T4 is now) to see the the same FAA jetstar. A super cool plane back then- and the FAAs private jet with the incredible N1 registration . As a spotter you were never ever going to surpass that.
As has been pointed out the Sabreliner was a contemporary but in place of four jets and big extrernal wing tanks all it could offer was a rather odd cockpit with too much glazing (ie the roof) and weird Caravelle style triangular cabin windows.

[thetimesreader84]

There used to be one parked at the Biz Jet apron at Malaga, not sure if its still there or not.

[Liffy 1M]

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Another extremely attractive JetStar. Amongst other uses, these were used to fly LBJ up and down between Washington DC and his Texas ranch. A runway was constructed at the ranch to facilitate this.

[Akrotiri bad boy]

Wasn't there a dead Jetstar dumped at Southampton?

[treadigraph]

Yeah, apparently N6NE ended up on the fire dump at Southampton...

[Pypard]

There's another one looking vulnerable at Toulouse...

[stilton]

TCU, back in my enthisiast (spotting) days early 60s a couple of fellow fans and I sneaked up to the edge of the long gone, once famous 'Fields' hangar, at LHR (around where T4 is now) to see the the same FAA jetstar. A super cool plane back then- and the FAAs private jet with the incredible N1 registration . As a spotter you were never ever going to surpass that.
As has been pointed out the Sabreliner was a contemporary but in place of four jets and big extrernal wing tanks all it could offer was a rather odd cockpit with too much glazing (ie the roof) and weird Caravelle style triangular cabin windows.


The Sabreliner supposedly shared the same wing as the F86 Sabre

It may have looked odd but was popular with its crews for its rugged design and good handling

[stilton]

The Jetstar was a very handsome aircraft, an unusual design with the aforementioned fixed horizontal stabilizer attached to a moving vertical fin, those huge slipper tanks and unusually pneumatic boots for anti ice


The cockpit is well designed with a place for everything but there isn’t a square millimeter to spare, typical Lockheed design in that it’s highly complex and completely different than anything anyone else has ever built


Andre Agassi had a TFE731 version for a while

[oicur12.again]

The Sabreliner supposedly shared the same wing as the F86 Sabre

It may have looked odd but was popular with its crews for its rugged design and good handling

I recall wandering around Mojave back in the late eighties and seeing a bunch of Tracor Flight Systems F-100’s and several Jetstars. Apparently one type was purchased to donate its wings to the other type so I was told!

[DaveReidUK]

Another extremely attractive JetStar. Amongst other uses, these were used to fly LBJ up and down between Washington DC and his Texas ranch. A runway was constructed at the ranch to facilitate this.

A timely reminder that both the JetStar and the Sabreliner started life as military jets (C-140 and T-39/T3J, respectively) in an era where bizjets simply didn't exist.

[tonytales]

The original batch of Jetstars including LBJ's VC-140 had severe wiring problems "Wet Wie Fies" was the term used. Some poor wiring installations at GLAC left damaged insulation especially around wire bundle (looms) clamps. In the presence of moisture the coppers would dissolve and literally plate itself, not something wanted. to ground. This formed a thin film heater, something you didn't want.
LASI NY stripped the interiors and completely rewired the affected aircraft. On LBJ's aircraft we did not reinstall the regular interior. LBJ hadn't liked it so it ferried to Texas, I think to Horton and Horton.
I was the Production Controller on LBJ's aircraft assigning work to Crew Chiefs. A lot of manhours expended. Glad to see that the old bird is till around and looks as pristine as back in the 1960's as part of SAMFLEET.
Lockheed loved rubber deicer boots for some reason. Of course, the wing was small and thin and running pneumatic air through the leading edges would have taken space.

[Planemike]

When I first saw this thread I thought the Jetstar was a type I had never seen. In fact I have seen at least one. I particularly remember N3080 which visited Yeadon (aka Leeds/Braford) a couple of times in the 1980s. The aircraft was owned by Saheen Saheen of World Carpets. He visited the International Carpet Fair held in nearby Harrogate. I regularly attended the Carpet Fair during my career in the carpet industry. .

[TCU]

There's another one looking vulnerable at Toulouse...

As recorded by myself during a visit to the A380 production line in August 2008

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[Liffy 1M]

As recorded by myself during a visit to the A380 production line in August 2008

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Gone from there now and a few years ago I saw it amongst other airframes at a local technical college.

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Lycée Saint-Exupéry, Blagnac.

[Liffy 1M]

I think this one may still be on the ramp at Toulouse, though.
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[treadigraph]

Re the F-86/T-39 wing connection (which is correct as I understood it), do the Mystere fighter and Mystere/Falcon 20 share the same basic wing?

[Caboclo]

Saw a Jetstar refueling in Oakland a couple years ago. Took quite a while!

[DaveReidUK]

Re the F-86/T-39 wing connection (which is correct as I understood it), do the Mystere fighter and Mystere/Falcon 20 share the same basic wing?

Yes, they do.

[goldox]

I saw a Jetstar a couple of times at Gatwick in the very early 70s. The same one twice maybe three times, can't recall the operator but have a strange feeling it was D- registered?? Or memory might be playing up.

[treadigraph]

West German AF had three I think, don't recall any civvy ones, guess they would have been D-A*** or B***. I do recall an American one as a regular at Gatwick mid 1970s, might have been N8WJ or something like that - there was a Jet Commander that was pretty regular too that I recall.

[happyjack]

There was one gathering dust (sand) in Cairo for many years. I understood it used to belong to Yasser Arafat? Is it still there?

[treadigraph]

One at Cairo Airport as below:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@30.1234908,31.4212393,138m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

[SQUAWKIDENT]

This may be a silly question but I'll ask anyway..

What's the advantage (if any) of having a moving vertical fin? And are there any other aircraft with a similar system?

[GWYN]

As chevvron (https://www.pprune.org/members/124152-chevvron) says in post #2, Nigel Mansell used to have one based at Exeter, convenient for his Woodbury golf course in the early nineties. I remember having it breathing down my neck once as I taxied out in a C172. I don't think I have any photos of it, but I'll look.

[treadigraph]

This may be a silly question but I'll ask anyway..

What's the advantage (if any) of having a moving vertical fin? And are there any other aircraft with a similar system?

Dunno about advantages but as mentioned above the Mooney had a similar system. I noticed one parked at Denham once with the elevator trim presumably wound nose up - the fin was leaning forward a little and I thought it must have been damaged - hadn't realised the whole tail unit moved.

[SQUAWKIDENT]

Ah missed that bit about the Mooney. That would explain the strange looking upright tail-fin. Ta for the info!

[horatio_b]

Nigel Mansell operated Jetstar N500NM (later carried VR-CNM) between 1993-1995. This aircraft, c/n 5229, is now preserved at the Pacific Coast Air Museum, Santa Rosa CA.

[chevvron]

Nigel Mansell operated Jetstar N500NM (later carried VR-CNM) between 1993-1995. This aircraft, c/n 5229, is now preserved at the Pacific Coast Air Museum, Santa Rosa CA.
I already mentioned that.

[Liffy 1M]

One at Cairo Airport as below:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@30.1234908,31.4212393,138m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

This may be SU-DAG (https://www.airhistory.net/photo/20320/SU-DAG), which is ex-Luftwaffe and was reported dumped at Cairo.

I don't know of any Arafat connection but he did fly on another JetStar, 7T-VHP, later registered HB-JGK (https://www.airhistory.net/photo/395106/HB-JGK). This was stored at Geneva for some years before being broken up, the fuselage ending up at Kemble (https://www.airhistory.net/photo/141192/HB-JGK).

[Consol]

N971AS, based in Shannon for many years. 1st biz jet I ever set foot in (working but not flying). Impressive looking aircraft.

[Pypard]

Re the F-86/T-39 wing connection (which is correct as I understood it),

It's not correct: there is some commonality with the F-100.

[Noyade]

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x246/scan1283_4e2288197e5752d87626fa638f6dfb10423e7288.jpg

(Air Enthusiast July 1976)

[Noyade]

do the Mystere fighter and Mystere/Falcon 20 share the same basic wing?

G'day Treaders!
Which Mystere fighter? I went with the Super Mystere B2 below.
I don't see the same basic wing shape.
Even the wing specs in Jane's are very different.


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[treadigraph]

I was thinking Mystere IV, which is the variant I'm most familiar with - quite a few scattered around the UK - one would think that if the Mystere 20 and Sabreliner shared names with their manufacturer's fighter products that there would be some common design elements and with the wing being a fundamental part of the aerodynamics...

[longer ron]

'Based On' ;)

https://i.imgur.com/ZmmrwNG.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/kzD5Sgz.png

[alf5071h]

DH 125 Jet Dragon - DH Venom wing ?

[DaveReidUK]

G'day Treaders!
Which Mystere fighter? I went with the Super Mystere B2 below.
I don't see the same basic wing shape.
Even the wing specs in Jane's are very different.

The supersonic Super Mystère had a very different wing from its subsonic predecessors, as one might expect.

[washoutt]

I'm still not clear on the moving fin of the Jetstar. Does the whole fin turn atound a vertical axis to function as a huge rudder? What does the construction look like, has anybody a drawing or picture of this intriguing characteristic? Thanks for any info.

[spekesoftly]

I'm still not clear on the moving fin of the Jetstar. Does the whole fin turn atound a vertical axis to function as a huge rudder? What does the construction look like, has anybody a drawing or picture of this intriguing characteristic? Thanks for any info.

I get the impression that the Jetstar's fin can be rotated in the fore and aft axis to adjust the angle of incidence of the tailplane which is attached to the fin. The rudder and elevator appear to be conventional.

I could be completely wrong, and very happy to be corrected.

[Downwind.Maddl-Land]

Was fortunate enough to 'work' JetStars and Sabreliners - in their mil VC-140 and T-39 guises - into/out of RAF Northolt on many occasions in the mid-70s. As 32 Sqn operated 2 x HS-125-600s, the noise issue wasn't considered an embarrassment in comparison!

Wrt Dassault Falcons, yes the wing was the same as the Mystere's and was a primary reason that Cobham (now Draken) adopted the type for it's ECM training role as the hard points and necessary wiring runs were able to be used and enabled various pods to be fitted underwing 'relatively' easily.

[longer ron]

I'm still not clear on the moving fin of the Jetstar. Does the whole fin turn atound a vertical axis to function as a huge rudder? What does the construction look like, has anybody a drawing or picture of this intriguing characteristic? Thanks for any info.

The Pitch Trim Actuator (56) pushes/pulls on the front spar of the Vert Stab which pivots the v stab fore/aft around rear spar attachment (57) and therefore inreases/decreases the tailplane/horiz stab angle of incidence.

https://i.imgur.com/ErEEZht.png

[Less Hair]

The Paris Jet was closest to some military donor (Fouga Magister) it seems.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/MS-760C_Paris_III_LeB_1967.jpg

[pax britanica]

Less hair

I think the little Paris was perhaps the loudest ever per Kg aircraft built .Aside from the Magisters buttefly tail it was very simialr to the frencjh trainer in many ways .

[treadigraph]

The Paris was based on the MS Fleuret which competed with the Magister for the FrAF jet trainer order.

[Less Hair]

Thanks.

[Spooky 2]

TWA operated two Jetstars for advanced pilot training back in the 60's. The panels were modified to replicate the B707 and B727. I think they we found to be cost prohibitive rather quickly.

Kelly Johnson of U2/SR71 fame had one of the first two JetStars assigned to him for a few years in the 60's. The first two JetStar prototypes were twin engine as to opposed to the final 4 engine configuration that evolved.

[Noyade]

The supersonic Super Mystère had a very different wing from its subsonic predecessors, as one might expect.

Hi Dave. More about playing around with Irfanview and respect for Dennis Punnett - but here's the Falcon with the Mystere IVA. :)


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[Jenna Talia]

They just copied the Mooney light aircraft Dave. ;)

After Al Mooney left Mooney Aircraft following type certification of the M20, he went to work for Lockheed where he had a major role in the design of the JetStar and a few other Lockheed designs.

[megan]

Thanks JT, wonderful what detail pops out of the woodwork, just found an item that credits him with the design proposal that became the Jetstar. :ok: Still think the Jetstars sole competitor for the USAF contract was the sexier looking.


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[vulcanite]

Wasn't it a Jetstar that went off the end at LTN in the early 80's? ISTR that it was their second or third approach, and they put it down way too deep on R08. I believe there was very little fuel remaining in the tanks, and the' business men' passengers somewhat hurriedly decamped the scene leaving behind suitcases full of cash.

[SpringHeeledJack]

If two Convair Coronado's got together, say a CV-880 and a CV-990 and had a kid, this (post no.65) would be it!

[washoutt]

Thanks LongerOn, it's clear now, it is a very special way to make an adjustable stabilizer incidence control. Seems a costly solution, compared to the usual way to vary the tailplane incidence.

[Jenna Talia]

Thanks LongerOn, it's clear now, it is a very special way to make an adjustable stabilizer incidence control. Seems a costly solution, compared to the usual way to vary the tailplane incidence.

Al Mooney’s philosophy was trim tabs cause drag, which in turn costs speed.

[SOPS]

Al Mooney’s philosophy was trim tabs cause drag, which in turn costs speed.


I have about 1000 hours on Money 201s. They were designed to go fast. I used to tell my students….if you call Mooney and tell them if you paint your aircraft pink with black spots it will do another 10 knots, they would do it….

[DaveReidUK]

Wasn't it a Jetstar that went off the end at LTN in the early 80's? ISTR that it was their second or third approach, and they put it down way too deep on R08. I believe there was very little fuel remaining in the tanks, and the' business men' passengers somewhat hurriedly decamped the scene leaving behind suitcases full of cash.

N267L on 29th March 1981: 6-1982_N267L.pdf (publishing.service.gov.uk) (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5422f60740f0b61346000611/6-1982_N267L.pdf)

[longer ron]

Thanks LongerOn, it's clear now, it is a very special way to make an adjustable stabilizer incidence control. Seems a costly solution, compared to the usual way to vary the tailplane incidence.
Absolutely Washoutt
Doesn't look a particularly structurally strong way of attaching the v stab/fin either :)
Although it does not appear to have caused any structural problems in service, it is possible that the Empennage Pivot Fitting may well have been one of the components which eventually contributed to the grounding of the type ??
I am assuming the a/c had a good autostab system to avoid sideslip loads on the empennage attachments ??

[sandringham1]

Back in 2007 the Jetstar fleet were the subject of Lockheed AD regarding the nose leg steering actuator, to be accomplished within 30 days and requiring the actuator to be replaced but with no spares available!

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/2007-09-26/jetstar-operators-limbo-over-service-issues

[washoutt]

The construction of the attachment of the fin and its movement is by the looks of it not a fail-safe design. So it must be safe-life and therefore time limited. Changing it at the safe-life interval is very costly, and probably prohibitive, so the aircraft must be written of. I remember many years ago that a small PZL aircraft (Poland) also had a safe-life fuselage (steel tube), and after so many flight hours, you were supposed the repalce the fuselage....

[spekesoftly]

Interesting to note that the link in post #73 questions, amongst other items, the serviceabilty of tail pivot fittings:-

For its part, Lockheed has raised specific technical questions about the serviceability of the wing attach bolts, tail pivot fittings, flaps and flap tracks and engine pylon mounts

[Airbanda]

When I first read saw this thread I thought the Jetstar was I type I had never seen. In fact I have seen at least one. I particularly remember N3080 which visited Yeadon (aka Leeds/Braford) a couple of times in the 1980s. The aircraft was owned by Saheen Saheen of World Carpets. He visited the International Carpet Fair held in nearby Harrogate. I regularly attended the Carpet Fair during my career in the carpet industry. .

There were, I think, two Jetstars that used to be regulars at LBA. The other belonged to Cameron Ironworks:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ian_a_gratton/12913908415

[treadigraph]

Looking through a list of JetStars yesterday, there was indeed at least one German example, D-BABE and an Italian. The American example I recall from Gatwick was N101AW, sure I saw it there on several occasion in the '70s.

[Spooky 2]

That M220 sat in KABQ for a number years. The last time I saw it they were trying replace the engiines with a GE engine off of a LearJet. I believe it finally flew, and the FAA revoke the pilots certificates of those involved. It was a good looking airplane for sure.

[thegypsy]

When I was in Kuwait Airways flying both B707 and B737 as F/O in late 70's we had a Jetstar flown by Tony Hebborn usually and a 707 F/O Joe sharps volunteered. Then always known as Jetstar Joe.

He got B707 command so gained some brownie points by flying it.

[SpringHeeledJack]

I'm sure that I saw the Kuwait Airlines Jetstar at LHR and LTN back in the day, a fine looking machine. Almost as exciting as seeing a KA 737 having Mx through the Brittania hangar doors at LTN.

[BigBoreFour]

Some nice details mentioned. But…

…the big one….


How fast did it go?