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albatross
23rd Feb 2023, 16:18
Photo from WW2 in Canada BCATP
Any idea as to type?
It has me stumped.
Strange engines…perhaps Jacobs with integral oil cooler in the cowling.
It kind of looks like a precursor of the Cessna Crane AKA Bobcat.
In any case it doesn’t look like an overpowered speedster.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1342/d00e73bc_b72f_4a08_bd9d_6ea33b71fc37_ea6d5c0819ec352efdbe72a 38c145a63dcc3ece1.jpeg

treadigraph
23rd Feb 2023, 16:23
GAL Monospar ST-25 I think...

kcockayne
23rd Feb 2023, 16:43
GAL Monospar ST-25 I think...
I am pretty certain that treadigraph has it.

Jhieminga
23rd Feb 2023, 16:43
Pobjoy engines, small geared radials, that’s why the prop shafts are out of centre.

Planemike
23rd Feb 2023, 18:33
Agree with type ID and the engines are Pobjoy Niagaras either IIs or IIIs....

""Photo from WW2 in Canada BCATP""
This has me puzzled. Looked at BCATP on Wikipedia, no mention of General Aircraft ST-25 on strength with them.
The aircraft in the image appears to be a civil aircraft with civil registration ending in ""A""....
It appears six ST-25s were exported to Canada CF-AZW CF-BAH CF-BAI CF-BAJ CF-BAK CF-BAO...
Have not been able to track all the histories completely but it would seem unlikely any of those survived until the Second World War.....
Oh, the cruising speed was from 115 to 130 mph, dependent on model. Rate of climb 700/800 ft/min.
Fairly creditable on 180/190 HP....I would have said !! No connection with Cessna Bobcat, that I know of....!!
Make what you will of that......!!!

treadigraph
23rd Feb 2023, 18:46
It's G-AEPA which stayed in the UK and was impressed in 1940. (It says here!)

albatross
23rd Feb 2023, 18:52
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Aircraft_Monospar_ST-25
Thanks everyone.
Strangely enough looking at the photo the undersurface of the wing the last 3 letters of the CF- registration appear to be EPA. Perhaps a visiting aircraft. There are some photos of a visiting American USAAF B-17 in the album.
The photo was posted on a Facebook BCAPT group. “British Commonwealth Air Training Plan in Canada”
The original caption on the post by Claire Louise Jr.
“Recently been given my grandfather’s cousin’s photos from his time training. Flt Sgt Stanley Sayce was a Cardiff policeman and joined up with 9 others in 1941. They started training in Moncton. Stan was a Pilot Observer until he failed his training in Pensacola and then went back to Canada to re muster as a Navigator.
Only one of the Cardiff policemen that joined up survived the war and Harry James emigrated to Canada in the 1950s.
Stan was killed on the night of 5/6 April 1944 on a raid to Toulouse, aircraft ME685. He was ten days shy of his 25th birthday.”

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1839360666434113&set=gm.10153485297319979&idorvanity=5585509978

RN pilot Hugh Popham in his book Sea Flight gives a good , sometimes humorous account of his BCAPT training in Canada mostly at Kingston Ontario CYGK. I learned to fly there at the Kingston Flying club in the early 70s and the airfield and hangars were BCAPT standard. https://www.abebooks.com/9781848320550/Sea-Flight-Fleet-Air-Arm-1848320558/plp

DaveReidUK
23rd Feb 2023, 18:56
It's ST.25 Universal msn 94 G-AEPA (last 3 of reg just discernible in the OP's photo, under the port wing and on the rear fuselage).

Flew from first Heston and then Blackpool between 1936 and 1940, after which it was impressed into the RAF. Struck off charge in 1944.

I'd be amazed if it ever got to Canada.

Another photo of it:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/638x312/g_aepa_9a1a2174b7185922fa5d06f7e03249c7e63c3022.jpg

https://www.airfieldresearchgroup.org.uk/PDF/AR153_web.pdf

Planemike
23rd Feb 2023, 20:11
It's G-AEPA which stayed in the UK and was impressed in 1940. (It says here!)
Yes, impressed as X9372.....