Texel air starting up at Auckland

[MK 4A Tank]

Texel Air Establishes New Boeing 737-800 Airline In New Zealand (simpleflying.com) (https://simpleflying.com/texel-air-boeing-737-new-zealand/)

[Zinfandel]

Looks like a certain NZ based freight only operator has got some competition.

[Mumbojumbo]

Looks like a certain NZ based freight only operator has got some competition.
If it's Airwork you're referring to, I'd say competition is the wrong word. A quality company like Texel will bury this GA at best operator.

[TBM-Legend]

B737-800BCF does not have ETOPS. Trans-Tasman could be interesting

[Snakecharma]

The 737-800 freighter conversions, depending on who did them, have 180 mins ETOPS.

[TBM-Legend]

Neither does anyone else .......................................

AEI conversion B737-800SF does

[Snakecharma]

I beg to differ, if we are playing semantics over EDTO/ETOPS that’s one thing but to say that the aeroplanes are not certified with up to 180 etops is not correct

[PPRuNeUser01531]

Always good to see new opportunities arise for workers who deserve such. AWK to XLR, got a feeling you won't regret it.

[framer]

I agree it’s good to see an addition to the job opportunities available.

[witwiw]

I beg to differ, if we are playing semantics over EDTO/ETOPS that’s one thing but to say that the aeroplanes are not certified with up to 180 etops is not correct

Semantics, or accuracy?

I don't see any claim made that the ability to operate to 180 minutes after an engine failure was not certified.

[framer]

Semantics, or accuracy?
Pedantry?

[TBM-Legend]

I beg to differ, if we are playing semantics over EDTO/ETOPS that’s one thing but to say that the aeroplanes are not certified with up to 180 etops is not correct

from EASA playbook

“The 737-800BCF is not approved for ETOPS. IV. Operating and Service Instructions. 1. Airplane Flight Manual (AFM):. Boeing Document D631A001.”—-///—/


Aeronautical Engineers, Inc has received ETOPS 180 approval from the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) for its B737-800SF freighter conversion.

The ETOPS 180 approval allows the B737-800SF freighter to fly 180-minute extended operations over water and remote regions.

Without ETOPS approval aircraft must be within 60 minutes flying time of an airport where they can make an emergency landing.

[Mumbojumbo]

ETOPS issues aside, this operator does not have an NZ AOC as far as I'm aware. Good luck expediting that process with the NZ regulator.

[StarVision]

ETOPS issues aside, this operator does not have an NZ AOC as far as I'm aware. Good luck expediting that process with the NZ regulator.
most of that's done..

[gate4]

most of that's done..

A9C-APC B737-300F ex ZK-NGP arrived Auckland early 31st March on delivery.

[Car RAMROD]

A Texel painted 737 was seen in Brisbane the other night.

[MK 4A Tank]

How can Texel Air be operating AKL - CHC -AKL last few nights without NZ AOC and still on Bahrain rego? FOC or what??

[Colonel_Klink]

How can Texel Air be operating AKL - CHC -AKL last few nights without NZ AOC and still on Bahrain rego? FOC or what??

The same way airwork operates NZ registered aircraft within Australia??

[Zinfandel]

The same way airwork operates NZ registered aircraft within Australia??

That’s incorrect…they use the Trans-Tasman agreement. This allows any Australian or New Zealand Operator to operate in each other’s country.

[sid-star]

That’s incorrect…they use the Trans-Tasman agreement. This allows any Australian or New Zealand Operator to operate in each other’s country.

The ANZA agreement within the aviation act only applies to NZ and Aus operators .The CAA NZ part 129.3 rule is explicit .That doesn’t mean that a foreign AOC airline cannot seek an alleviation via exemption.

[DeltaT]

Just operate under someone elses AOC with their consent/business deal, and notification to CAA.
Presume Parcelair or Airwork??

Air NZ gets another airline in to fly to Perth I read somewhere here, that will be under ANZ AOC.

[Zinfandel]

The ANZA agreement within the aviation act only applies to NZ and Aus operators .The CAA NZ part 129.3 rule is explicit .That doesn’t mean that a foreign AOC airline cannot seek an alleviation via exemption.

Did you read my response, it was in regards to how Airwork do it…you really need to read the posts and replies, before you do a stupid comment!
There was no mention of Texel or foreign operators.

[palauisland]

Can anyone enlighten me on what plans Texel Air has in NZ and Oz. From what I gather they are now doing the flying for NZ Post but people here talk about taking on more Airwork work which is all in Oz at present.

Is Texel still hiring, if so what are their pay and conditions along with basing locations. Any info would be appreciated.

[Wizofoz]

Can anyone enlighten me on what plans Texel Air has in NZ and Oz. From what I gather they are now doing the flying for NZ Post but people here talk about taking on more Airwork work which is all in Oz at present.

Is Texel still hiring, if so what are their pay and conditions along with basing locations. Any info would be appreciated.
Just anecdotal, but it seems likely Texel is after any and all Airwork contracts.

AFAIK the largest, the Toll contract, is up for grabs, and Airwork have had a horrible service delivery due to the continued unreliability of their ancient classics (These are 80s vintage airframes.)

Airwork had the opportunity to upgrade at a time when cargo was booming and aircraft were historically cheap. They chose to wait until the industry came booming back and replacement was undeniably needed, with no way to bridge the gap between now and getting new equipment.

Damn shame, but at least it's happening when there are other opportunities for the people there.

[Zinfandel]

Just anecdotal, but it seems likely Texel is after any and all Airwork contracts.

AFAIK the largest, the Toll contract, is up for grabs, and Airwork have had a horrible service delivery due to the continued unreliability of their ancient classics (These are 80s vintage airframes.)

Airwork had the opportunity to upgrade at a time when cargo was booming and aircraft were historically cheap. They chose to wait until the industry came booming back and replacement was undeniably needed, with no way to bridge the gap between now and getting new equipment.

Damn shame, but at least it's happening when there are other opportunities for the people there.

It appears every B737 freight operator is after their work. Nauru have been operating the BN-ML-BN Toll run and Pionair (now owned by ASL) are introducing B737-800 freighters so one would guess they will also be chasing after work for them.

I see another -400F passed through Darwin this week heading to NZ to join Airwork’s fleet.

[Traffic_Is_Er_Was]

I see another -400F passed through Darwin this week heading to NZ to join Airwork’s fleet.

Or maybe Texel's?

​​​​​​​Pionair (now owned by ASL) are introducing B737-800 freighters
One, eventually, maybe, when it's converted.

[Dookie on Drums]

Unfortunately, the writing is on the wall for Airwork with Texel (and maybe others) arriving on the scene.

Managerial flaws as listed above with an ageing fleet are not a successful combination and it's a pity because the pilot body is let down by them.

I hear some cold calling has already been initiated with the Airwork crew as TOLL's frustrations increase and negotiations behind closed doors continue.

[HomeJames]

Look at the wonderfully uniformed opinions and gossip spewed as gospel.

Exceedingly sad seeing some of the posters here wishing to see dozens of pilots put out of work and have their lives tipped upside down. Wonder what their motivational could possibly be? Or who they could possibly work for?

[Dookie on Drums]

Look at the wonderfully uniformed opinions and gossip spewed as gospel.

Exceedingly sad seeing some of the posters here wishing to see dozens of pilots put out of work and have their lives tipped upside down. Wonder what their motivational could possibly be? Or who they could possibly work for?

On the contrary, most if not all pilots will be snapped up.

[Wizofoz]

Look at the wonderfully uniformed opinions and gossip spewed as gospel.

Exceedingly sad seeing some of the posters here wishing to see dozens of pilots put out of work and have their lives tipped upside down. Wonder what their motivational could possibly be? Or who they could possibly work for?
Where do you see anyone "wishing" for anything?

[palauisland]

Looking at Texel Air website and freight news with only two 737-800 s on order or delivered I can’t see how they can take all Airworks contracts given Airwork operates a large and diverse network with dozens of aircraft.

[markis10]

dozens of aircraft.

Try 14, hardly dozens. And texel have 4 -800s delivered/on order .

[Zinfandel]

Looking at ASL’s website they have 28 B737-800BCF’s and another 12 to join the fleet. They also have 42 B737-400F.

[b787q300]

Is Texel still hiring, if so what are their pay and conditions along with basing locations. Any info would be appreciated.

They declare their pay and conditions after you have done interview with them. Employment agreement not published online anywhere.

[Dookie on Drums]

HomeJames thanks for your personal attack via PM.

It's been noted and saved.

Thanks for playing.

[73qanda]

They declare their pay and conditions after you have done interview with them.
That certainly puts me off applying. Why would a management team decide that withholding that info is a good idea?

[HomeJames]

Oh Dook,

If you thought my advice about not posting negatively about a company that you are working for and on probation with was an attack, you have an interesting view on reality.

And Remember. You chose to take this public.

[73qanda]

If you kids keep squabbling you’ll lose YouTube for a week and no biscuits in your lunchbox.

[HomeJames]

If you kids keep squabbling you’ll lose YouTube for a week and no biscuits in your lunchbox.

Mum says I don't have to listen to you.

[73qanda]

She also works at Bunnings and can’t wait for the next season of Bondi Housewives, now get to your room.

[Dookie on Drums]

Oh Dook,

If you thought my advice about not posting negatively about a company that you are working for and on probation with was an attack, you have an interesting view on reality.

And Remember. You chose to take this public.

You're leaving yourself wide open here. Keep digging.

[MK 4A Tank]

These 737's either need to get EDTO certified or get a B757 EDTO down here for Trans Tasman Ops?

[tiger-palm]

120 min EDTO surely must be a prerequisite requirement. To rely on the changeable YSNF WX has not had the best of outcomes in the past.

[Brakerider]

The Texel aircraft are all BCFs so no EDTO issues.

[MK 4A Tank]

All quiet from Texel - thought they were getting NZ AOC by 01 May??

[tossbag]

HomeJames thanks for your personal attack via PM.

Don't be such a little bitch, I suppose you dobbed all your neighbours in for 1 hour and 5 minute walks during covid?

[tossbag]

Mum says I don't have to listen to you.

****en funny! :D​​​​​​​​

[tossbag]

Grow up d!ckhead and have the integrity to keep private conversations private, nobody likes a dobber.

[Dookie on Drums]

EDTO was knocked back yet again by the NZ CAA for Airwork.

[kitchen bench]

EDTO was knocked back yet again by the NZ CAA for Airwork.

Didn't look like it by the track of AWK2 this evening..

or AWK4 as well

[Zinfandel]

Rumour has it a Memphis based freight operator have given the current operator a short extension to their current contract due to a new entrant unable to provide the required services.
Rumour also hasn’t a certain 737 classic operator now has their EDTO back in place.

[Dookie on Drums]

Didn't look like it by the track of AWK2 this evening..

or AWK4 as well
Ignorance is bliss!

[MalcolmReynolds]

EDTO was knocked back yet again by the NZ CAA for Airwork. No it wasn't.

[Dookie on Drums]

Yes it was.

[kitchen bench]

Are you seriously suggesting that Airwork are conducting EDTO flights without appropriate approval?

e.g. AWK 4 and 5 over the last couple of days.


Ignorance is bliss!

Enjoy your bliss.

[Dookie on Drums]

Yes it was.

More to come.

Is English your second language?

[Mumbojumbo]

Airwork has had 120 approval for a couple weeks now I believe.

Has Texel been granted an AOC yet? What work are they doing with the aircraft they have? Apparently they have a Classic in Auckland and an NG on the way currently.

[kitchen bench]

Well, IF "EDTO was knocked back yet again by the NZ CAA for Airwork", they'd be horribly silly to keep operating as such knowing they'd be right under the spotlight.


Is English your second language?

As it happens, YES, one of three I'm reasonably competent with. Or is it "competent in"? I'll await the correction but in the meantime, however, I choose not to play the man.

[MK 4A Tank]

Texel Air New Zealand Fleet Details and History (planespotters.net) (https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Texel-Air-New-Zealand) Vera is here in NZ

[markis10]

Texel Air New Zealand Fleet Details and History (planespotters.net) (https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Texel-Air-New-Zealand) Vera is here in NZ

Commenced services Tuesday night replacing A9C-APC which has been doing Texels work since April

[b787q300]

Anybody know T&C’s for Texel Air? Salary, rosters etc?

[dctPub]

Anybody know T&C’s for Texel Air? Salary, rosters etc?

If it's anything like other NZ companies, they won't tell you until you have attended and passed the interview, begged, and then showed a letter of resignation from your previous employer.

That's how they keep wages low. Oh and also because Kiwis seems to think that talking about pay is taboo.

[TBL Warrior]

​​​​Oh and also because Kiwis seems to think that talking about pay is taboo.​​​

No, it’s because the coin is so embarrassing (in any industry in NZ) it’s just simply easier to infer the inappropriateness of such inquiries.

[kitchen bench]

More to come.

It seems not.

[Dookie on Drums]

It seems not.

Patience is not your virtue.

The shadow is growing closer.

[Dookie on Drums]

HomeJames....hello??

[Chris2303]

NZ Minimum wage is $22.70 per hour - they are probably paying that

[Snakecharma]

PS the BCF 737 freighter conversion does NOT, currently, have etops approval. It is forthcoming but as of a few weeks ago not there yet.

[MK 4A Tank]

Texel Air launches freight service in New Zealand (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/texel-air-launches-freight-service-in-new-zealand/ar-AA1csmEh?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7e843d25cc5e42529e200f35751618b0&ei=51)

[palauisland]

So Texel plans to have three Aircraft in NZ by years end and ten by 2026 in both NZ and Aust. This would indicate plans to acquire and or contest contracts for Toll, Aust Post, FedEx, DHL and NZ Post. Will be interesting to watch the current freight operators having to quickly move to either 800s or maybe even Bus freighters to compete.

[Going Nowhere]

Nauru Air will shortly take delivery of a 737-800F

[b787q300]

From word of mouth, $130k NZD for FO and $180k NZD for Capt. salary figures.

[TBM-Legend]

Nauru Air will shortly take delivery of a 737-800F
Nauru new B737-800SF is 180 ETOPS and was the Panda jet destined to go to non-start Wiseway Air Cargo

[BlunderBus]

NZ will grant 75mins extended overwater with little qualification. Operators only need 90 mins to make the Tasman. It’s a paper exercise with Boeing but there are some issues.
They’ll get it sorted out.