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matt72033
20th Oct 2022, 18:40
Hello All

Looking for some advice, I currently hold a B2 with type ratings on widebody turbine engine aircraft.

I'm looking to find out info on how to work on some GA aircraft at my local airfield, I understand I need to add the Group 3 Aircraft Type Rating, but the info out there is woefully inadequate.

I have fired off an email to the UK CAA, however I just wondered if there was anyone on here who has any experience of doing this in the relatively recent past?

Also interested in the same question for a B1.2 holder. I have a B1.1 and am taking the exams to add B1.2, but then wonder on the process and experiences of others on adding teh appropriate group 3 rating

Any info greatly appreciated

Many thanks

Ultranomad
21st Oct 2022, 01:01
If the UK still follows the EASA rules for Part-66 license issuance, you need 6 months of piston aircraft maintenance practice for adding B1.2 to an existing B1.1, and type training on any two Group 3 types (by different manufacturers) to get a full Group 3 rating to B1.2. That rating will also be endorsed with the aircraft structure types you have experience with: MS (metal), MTSFC (metal tubes + fabric), CS (composite), WS (wooden), or a combination of these. PC (pressurised cabin) endorsement will probably be added automatically due to your experience with pressurised turbine aircraft.
For a Group 3 rating to B2, you just need the type training on two types, no extra practice time is necessary, though you may be asked for evidence of practice with light aircraft avionics.

matt72033
21st Oct 2022, 08:22
If the UK still follows the EASA rules for Part-66 license issuance, you need 6 months of piston aircraft maintenance practice for adding B1.2 to an existing B1.1, and type training on any two Group 3 types (by different manufacturers) to get a full Group 3 rating to B1.2. That rating will also be endorsed with the aircraft structure types you have experience with: MS (metal), MTSFC (metal tubes + fabric), CS (composite), WS (wooden), or a combination of these. PC (pressurised cabin) endorsement will probably be added automatically due to your experience with pressurised turbine aircraft.
For a Group 3 rating to B2, you just need the type training on two types, no extra practice time is necessary, though you may be asked for evidence of practice with light aircraft avionics.
Ah ok thats interesting! Thank you for the info.

From the UK CAA documentation I looked through there was no mention of type training. Does type training even exist for pipers and Cessnas?

(f) For Group 3 and 4 aircraft: (i) the endorsement of the full Group 3 rating for category B1, B2, B2L and C licence holders and the endorsement of the full Group 4 rating for B2 and B2L licence holders require demonstration of practical experience, which shall include a representative cross section of maintenance activities relevant to the licence category and to Group 3 or 4, as applicable;

Ultranomad
21st Oct 2022, 08:37
Does type training even exist for pipers and Cessnas?

The training I took for Cessnas covered all Cessna SEP types (120, 140, 150, 152, 170, 172, 175, 177, 180, 182, 185, 195, 205, 206, 207, 210) and involved 5 days of lectures (no practical part). Apart from that, I filled my practical experience in the appendix to Form 19, and it included an annual on a 210P plus some other Cessna work, among other types.

matt72033
21st Oct 2022, 09:47
The training I took for Cessnas covered all Cessna SEP types (120, 140, 150, 152, 170, 172, 175, 177, 180, 182, 185, 195, 205, 206, 207, 210) and involved 5 days of lectures (no practical part). Apart from that, I filled my practical experience in the appendix to Form 19, and it included an annual on a 210P plus some other Cessna work, among other types.
thank you

what company did you do the training with?

Ultranomad
21st Oct 2022, 09:50
It was Aeroservis at Vysoké Mýto, Czechia, but they have since stopped offering type training.

NutLoose
24th Oct 2022, 16:17
See, It looks like Perth

https://www.caa.co.uk/Documents/Download/3895/873ad580-27fa-45b0-a682-396e7a2a2775/152

https://www.airservicetraining.co.uk/aircraft-engineering-training

https://www.airservicetraining.co.uk/ast-training-notes