Jetstar 787 and Lightning

[Mr_App]

Another 787 with lightning damage last Friday. The first one is a write off according to another site.

[TimmyTee]

Had this forwarded last week https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1500x2000/fb_img_1663929014932_35c64beba44afe971e0742b0394838efa93211e 6.jpg

[PoppaJo]

Wing paints are underway at the moment. Boeing have an interim fix, not sure about the long term. Before the 777X launch would be ideal.

[bazza stub]

Had this forwarded last week https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1500x2000/fb_img_1663929014932_35c64beba44afe971e0742b0394838efa93211e 6.jpg

Surely this is some dodgy outfit from Kazakhstan……….isn’t it?

[Australopithecus]

No, those are advanced D-I-Y vortex generators. The spanwise wrinkles are an innovative feature.

[brokenagain]

Surely this is some dodgy outfit from Kazakhstan……….isn’t it?

The funny thing is, Air Astana, the national carrier of Kazakhstan, has an average fleet age that is much much lower than any Australian airline. So maybe it’s Australia that is the 3rd world aviation country?

[blubak]

Surely this is some dodgy outfit from Kazakhstan……….isn’t it?
How many inspections per day to make sure its all in place,!

[Lookleft]

I'm sure the new CEO will be able to sort the problems out, what with all her customer experience, experience. I can just imagine the first sitrep that she will send to AJ.

"Dear Alan, I just wanted to provide you with some initial thoughts on my new role. I particularly want to thankyou for presenting me with the challenge of trying to make something of the ****e sandwich that is Jetstar. I thought that I was going to be CEO of an organisation that was just a smaller version of Qantas but instead I find an organisation that is chronically under resourced, in complete disarray and with staff so disengaged that I now know what the term the thousand mile stare refers to. Still I have no doubts about my ability to provide Jetstar customers with an experience and the staff will just have to put up with the beatings until morale improves. I would also like to thank you from the bottom of my heart for the opportunity to earn over a million dollars for the next 3 years which, along with the Qantas shares that will be allocated to me, will set me up for life and I can add Group CEO to my Linkdin CV.

Best Wishes
Jetstar Group CEO"

[Australopithecus]

In that letter, what part of the description isn’t exactly like Qantas?

[fdr]

Had this forwarded last week https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1500x2000/fb_img_1663929014932_35c64beba44afe971e0742b0394838efa93211e 6.jpg

That is pretty unsightly, would want the shades down (polarised ) for the pax at all times, unless you are being paid by the competition..

So long as the LE has not been dinged, that isn't much more than a minor drag count rise, and from my testing, it may not even be that. Would love to see the ANM data. Takeoff would be slightly longer, marginally,. It is fairly uniform across the span so don't expect much in the way of Cp, root bending or torsional loads. Would add some Veeze to the TO and ldg, but wouldn't lose sleep, so long as pax weren't looking out the window..they pay $$$ to go fly the white rat,...

Don't mess with LEs, don't fluff with TEs near ailerons... But everything else is surprisingly benign. Fluffing about with an engine pylon has more low speed concerns...

If anybody gets a schlieren of the shockwave, that would be fun to look at. It isn't where it should be on any of the supercritical sections, CFD suggests it should be around .75C, it just ain't. If the B74 had gone supercritical other than the late 90s test that Joe Sutter pushed for, then that may have had a shock in about the right place [plaice?] Look about 0
55C for most SC sections.

This one would have moved forward a couple of percent

[blubak]

I'm sure the new CEO will be able to sort the problems out, what with all her customer experience, experience. I can just imagine the first sitrep that she will send to AJ.

"Dear Alan, I just wanted to provide you with some initial thoughts on my new role. I particularly want to thankyou for presenting me with the challenge of trying to make something of the ****e sandwich that is Jetstar. I thought that I was going to be CEO of an organisation that was just a smaller version of Qantas but instead I find an organisation that is chronically under resourced, in complete disarray and with staff so disengaged that I now know what the term the thousand mile stare refers to. Still I have no doubts about my ability to provide Jetstar customers with an experience and the staff will just have to put up with the beatings until morale improves. I would also like to thank you from the bottom of my heart for the opportunity to earn over a million dollars for the next 3 years which, along with the Qantas shares that will be allocated to me, will set me up for life and I can add Group CEO to my Linkdin CV.

Best Wishes
Jetstar Group CEO"
Ah yes,theres no doubt she will provide them with an 'experience',& like the ones currently happening,it will most likely be 1 that is strongly connected to a nightmare or an unwanted extension to a cheap holiday.

[cLeArIcE]

Ah yes,theres no doubt she will provide them with an 'experience',& like the ones currently happening,it will most likely be 1 that is strongly connected to a nightmare or an unwanted extension to a cheap holiday.
​​​​​​I Honestly fear for my friends at Jetstar. I would never have thought it could be worse than it was prior to covid but oh boy, was I wrong. I don't know what this new CEO could even do to turn it around. She could try changing the place so staff are not treated with utter disdain and disrespect but that's never going to happen. I heard sick leave numbers amongst the pilot's and cabin crew are eye watering, But that's because of covid of course... Lot's of FO's interviewing elsewhere etc. Oh well nevermind, announce another sale for Bali or the Gold coast. That will fix it. Maybe a new TV advert and some new uniforms for good measure too.

[PoppaJo]

New laws around passenger rights are well overdue. Jetstar in the last few weeks should have been fined tens of millions should we have had similar compensation policies to the EU in force.

It’s very wrong that someone goes on holiday and comes home with a $5k extra burden because the airline couldn’t get someone to the destination/home due to ‘bad luck’ around engineering. Then the ‘come back in a week offer’ wouldn’t fly in many other jurisdictions, it would cost the company millions in fines.

Easyjet delayed us a few years ago 3.5 hours due engineering. I got $2k in compensation.

[601]

Why so many lightning strikes these days?
What is now the accepted distance from a suspicious weather radar return?

[Art of Flying]

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[HOVIS]

Had this forwarded last week https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1500x2000/fb_img_1663929014932_35c64beba44afe971e0742b0394838efa93211e 6.jpg
May I ask, what has this to do with lightning strikes? AFAIK this is a fleet wide issue of paint disbonding.

[ampclamp]

May I ask, what has this to do with lightning strikes? AFAIK this is a fleet wide issue of paint disbonding.

Exactly. How is this being conflated with a lightning strike?

The paint is coming away. That is all. It is a known issue.

[C441]

New laws around passenger rights are well overdue. Jetstar in the last few weeks should have been fined tens of millions should we have had similar compensation policies to the EU in force……….
Easyjet delayed us a few years ago 3.5 hours due engineering. I got $2k in compensation.

The downside of such compensation policies is that pilots and engineers are pressured into an injudicious departure to avoid the prospect of a 'delay fine'. For example in your case, if 50 odd other pax received the same compensation for an engineering delay, that's $100,000 that a company with a less than robust safety culture will use to pressure the crew to depart.

[ANCDU]

In that letter, what part of the description isn’t exactly like Qantas?

Very, Very true.

[Tom Sawyer]

The downside of such compensation policies is that pilots and engineers are pressured into an injudicious departure to avoid the prospect of a 'delay fine'. For example in your case, if 50 odd other pax received the same compensation for an engineering delay, that's $100,000 that a company with a less than robust safety culture will use to pressure the crew to depart.

As an Engineer, and one that has worked in UK/Europe, I can't say that the thought of pax compensation has even crossed my mind when dealing with an issue that could cause a delay or cancellation situation. Nor have Ops/Maintenance Control ever brought it up as an issue to consider.

[C441]

As an Engineer, and one that has worked in UK/Europe, I can't say that the thought of pax compensation has even crossed my mind when dealing with an issue that could cause a delay or cancellation situation. Nor have Ops/Maintenance Control ever brought it up as an issue to consider.
Me either, but I have heard of more 'company minded' crew subtly suggesting to other crew that we should "take min op fuel to save the company" or extend our tour of duty despite already feeling fatigued and other cost saving initiatives that impact on (if nothing else) the workload of the crew.

Most crew that you would want to fly/work with wont even consider it. Unfortunately some will.

[cLeArIcE]

Most crew that you would want to fly/work with wont even consider it. Unfortunately some will.
Most crew in Australia theses days take extra fuel or don't extend duty simply to spite the company. :E I can't imagine the problem of trying to help the company reduce pax compensation is going to be a wide spread issue.

[Bootstrap1]

Another 787 with lightning damage last Friday. The first one is a write off according to another site.


That other site would be grossly misinformed. The aircraft has had repairs completed by Boeing in the last month. The aircraft was ferried to Sydney with the work completed in a Qantas hangar. It should return to service in the near future. According to the Boeing repair team, this is not the worst damage they have repaired on a 787.

[markis10]

That other site would be grossly misinformed. The aircraft has had repairs completed by Boeing in the last month. The aircraft was ferried to Sydney with the work completed in a Qantas hangar. It should return to service in the near future. According to the Boeing repair team, this is not the worst damage they have repaired on a 787.
Jetstar did mention to the press that they would be back to full fleet by end of the week, take that with a grain of salt...

[markis10]

That other site would be grossly misinformed. The aircraft has had repairs completed by Boeing in the last month. The aircraft was ferried to Sydney with the work completed in a Qantas hangar. It should return to service in the near future. According to the Boeing repair team, this is not the worst damage they have repaired on a 787.

Back in ops https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHVKL

[HOVIS]

As an Engineer, and one that has worked in UK/Europe, I can't say that the thought of pax compensation has even crossed my mind when dealing with an issue that could cause a delay or cancellation situation. Nor have Ops/Maintenance Control ever brought it up as an issue to consider.
It was brought up by one of our managers when I was at Big Airways some years ago. Emphasis was on recording of times and data to ensure 'blame' was allocated correctly. Make of that what you will.

[kitchen bench]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-30/qantas-tape-wing-viral-photo-debunk/101485342

[markis10]

With remarkable timing the repaired VKL and also VKB have gone tech with JQ57 as well as JQ43 and their return flights cancelled today. Welcome to school holidays.

[AerialPerspective]

New laws around passenger rights are well overdue. Jetstar in the last few weeks should have been fined tens of millions should we have had similar compensation policies to the EU in force.

It’s very wrong that someone goes on holiday and comes home with a $5k extra burden because the airline couldn’t get someone to the destination/home due to ‘bad luck’ around engineering. Then the ‘come back in a week offer’ wouldn’t fly in many other jurisdictions, it would cost the company millions in fines.

Easyjet delayed us a few years ago 3.5 hours due engineering. I got $2k in compensation.

Just curious where the responsibility starts with pax who are always and always have been urged to get travel insurance??

It's been said that it's a 'me me' world these days but we seem to have a situation now where no one bothers with travel insurance, so when something goes wrong that is unforeseeable (such as lightening strikes), pax send a tweet or a instagram post and all of a sudden things that used to rely on the pax taking responsibility for certain things are now bottled down to "I didn't bother with insurance so now it's all your fault and you have to do everything for me and wipe my bum as well."

Whatever happened to that old saying "A total lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine".

I am excluding of course, situations of the airline's own making that cause substantial disruption, that would be a case for compensation.

[PoppaJo]

Travel insurance generally does not cover delays, those that do have limits in place, ie 6 hours plus before you get anything. The fine print across policies is generally heavier vs the airlines conditions of carriage.

I remember Tiger in its first few months when it started, tried that. Dumped all passengers on the Gold Coast, told them refunds will arrive in a few months and the Managing Director told the media ‘they should have purchased travel insurance’. It was all downhill after that.