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Kanyon
11th Sep 2022, 07:53
No, it's not that kind of message.

However, the de Havilland Aircraft Museum is designing an exhibition focusing on Women and de Havilland and would like to invite a female Trident pilot to contribute.

The story starts with Louise de Havilland, who sewed the fabric for the wings of Sir Geoffery's first airplanes. We have several female pilots who are contributing; one who learned to fly on Tiger Months and later flew the BAe-146 and another who flew Comets for Dan Air. Someone who flew the Trident would fill a gap in our timeline.

If you are interested, or know of someone who might be interested, please contact me at [email protected]

Thank you

wiggy
11th Sep 2022, 10:17
Good luck with this, given the era and the operators involved I doubt there were many so it will be interesting to see how you get on.

Bellerophon
11th Sep 2022, 13:26
I spent many years on the various Trident fleets in BEA/BA - but having left the fleet before it finally went out of service I can't be certain about this - however I don't think we ever had a female Trident pilot.

Others who were on the Trident fleet to the bitter end may know better,

The woman I think was the first female pilot to join BA, I believe joined the airline in 1989, but on the B747 fleet, later featuring in a BBC documentary.

treadigraph
11th Sep 2022, 13:54
The woman I think was the first female pilot to join BA, I believe joined the airline in 1989, but on the B747 fleet, later featuring in a BBC documentary.

That would be Lynn Barton who I believe was indeed BA's first woman pilot.

If the lady Comet pilot was Yvonne Sintes, I think she may also have flown Herons for Morton (certainly their DC-3s).

Yellow Sun
11th Sep 2022, 14:57
The Nimrod was a Comet under the skin and thus a De Havilland derivative so would it not be appropriate to look for a female Nimrod pilot to contribute? After all, from sewing the fabric to weapons delivery does show how far women have come. To provide a more complete picture you might even include female Nimrod mission crew members who flew with the maritime squadrons and 51.

YS

Haraka
11th Sep 2022, 16:56
Elizabeth Overbury I believe became a lady Comet Captain ,one of , if not the first? . Dan Air rings a bell.( Widow of the Hunting CTP who died in the JP T Mk 2 accident near Biggleswade in 1960)

anxiao
12th Sep 2022, 02:07
I cannot remember a female pilot in the BEA/BA crew room in Queens Building from 1971to 1979, but I may be mistaken.

It is possible that as, "Women hold up half the sky," as the motto went in those days, that CAAC had a female pilot on their Trident fleet in the 1970s, they had around 35 flyable most of that decade. I doubt Iraqi airlines had a female pilot at that time.

As the other contributors above mention, there was no British Airways female pilot until Lynn Barton.

Best of luck in your search.

treadigraph
12th Sep 2022, 07:56
Did any of the BCAL/Dan-Air ladies come through BKS/Channel Airways?

Elizabeth Overbury was certainly Dan-Air but it think it was Yvonne Pope-Sintes who was their first female pilot and first Captain. If memory serves she started on the 748 before moving to the Comet. There were several others whose names escape me as do the BCAL gals... Did Laker have any?

The AvgasDinosaur
12th Sep 2022, 08:23
Iím sure In my childhood late 50ís 60ís Iím sure BKS had a female pilot often heard 127.45 and 124.2 but sadly canít recall the type 😢

Haraka
12th Sep 2022, 08:37
Hi Treaders,
My Father was at Huntings and was very much involved in the accident inquiry in to Jack Overbury's JP accident . As Hunting's Chief Defects Engineer he had done a repair scheme on that JP 2 , following an earlier belly landing incident. Naturally that repair came under suspicion during the investigation causing my father a lot of stress and many sleepless nights.
It was however ascertained that the uplock on the JP undercarriage could be by passed under high "g'. By flying similar a/c and gradually building up the nosewheel doors opening profiles, the tendency for a violent pitch up as the leg tried to descend was established , causing wing failure due to overstressing ( One failed "' up" the other "down") and resultant airframe disintegration.. The detached nosewheel doors had been found by some Boy Scouts (IIRC) a long way away from the main accident site. triggering the BOI to investigate this avenue.
Elizabeth was building up her hours as a lady instructor in Luton Flying Club ,eventually getting in as (The first lady?) Comet Pilot Captain with Dan Air and later remarrying. . A striking looking lady with a personality to match!

bean
12th Sep 2022, 09:38
Did any of the BCAL/Dan-Air ladies come through BKS/Channel Airways?

Elizabeth Overbury was certainly Dan-Air but it think it was Yvonne Pope-Sintes who was their first female pilot and first Captain. If memory serves she started on the 748 before moving to the Comet. There were several others whose names escape me as do the BCAL gals... Did Laker have any?
No. She flew Herons and Daks with Morton was a Comet FO with Dan then moved to 748 command with them.
BKS never employed ladies
Quite sure about this

Bergerie1
12th Sep 2022, 10:10
After her command on Dan-Air's 748s she went on to command their BAC 1-11s in June 1975. I know because she taught me to fly in 1959 and I remained in touch with her until shortly before her death.

chevvron
12th Sep 2022, 14:11
Did any of the BCAL/Dan-Air ladies come through BKS/Channel Airways?

Elizabeth Overbury was certainly Dan-Air but it think it was Yvonne Pope-Sintes who was their first female pilot and first Captain. If memory serves she started on the 748 before moving to the Comet. There were several others whose names escape me as do the BCAL gals... Did Laker have any?
I was stationed in Glasgow for much of 1972 and talked to Yvonne on the radio frequently.
She would usually leave one engine running for the turnaround so she coud get in and out quickly.

ETOPS
12th Sep 2022, 14:12
Sorry to say Kanyon there no female Trident pilots. The first female recruit (mentioned above) joined in April 1987 - I started with her on the same course.
I did manage a passenger flight before they were withdrawn and flew the BEA version of the 1-11 for 7 years. The flight deck was arranged to look like the Trident but any plans to operate both together were squashed by the ARBÖ.

sycamore
12th Sep 2022, 14:20
I joined LFC in early1960,and after a couple of famil flights with Dave Campbell(CFI),i was `passed to Elizabeth to continue training,apart from `check `rides.A little daunting at first,especially the `Auster` smell of oil,fuel,old leather,and Chanel 5,or was it `Rive Gauche` in the other seat...!at the age of 17...as Haraka says,quite a striking lady,and could be rather `feisty`,but always helpful ...She also checked me out on the Chipmunk before my PPL Test in July `61....
Many years later,possibly about`85,I was surprised to receive an invitation to `dinner` with the `99s` at the RAF Club,which I attended.She had taken the trouble to track me down at Northolt on -125s.That was the last time I met her,and was very sad to read of her passing a few years ago......A memorable lady,for all the right reasons.....

ps.can`t remember the name of her `yappy` little dog...

OUAQUKGF Ops
12th Sep 2022, 15:05
With regard to Elizabeth Overbury circa 1964 she joined Autair International Airways (later Court Line) at Luton and flew as a First Officer on Vickers Vikings, Airspeed Ambassadors, H.S. 748s and as a Senior First Officer on BAC One-Elevens. I suspect she achieved a command on Court Line's One-Elevens but don't know for sure. I do remember watching her pull off a spectacularly low go around somewhere between Breachwood Green and the threshold to 26 at Luton during the early days of her conversion training on the One-Eleven. I assume she went to Dan Air when Court Line went bust.

bean
12th Sep 2022, 16:41
I was stationed in Glasgow for much of 1972 and talked to Yvonne on the radio frequently.
She would usually leave one engine running for the turnaround so she coud get in and out quickly.
That was SOP

blind pew
12th Sep 2022, 17:39
When BA was formed BEA inherited a cambrian captain who was a tranny and was transitioning to a female so perhaps she counts.
I checked in behind they on the T1/T2 fsdo desk behind PB..they had a page boy haircut..a trouser suit and wore a bra under their uniform white shirt (black iirc).
I never flew with PB but a friend did and said they were a competent operator most of the time ..everything appeared normal until the crew turned up for a midnight swim, a comparatively somber affair as they weren't naked. Captain appeared wearing a pokka dot bikini.
Eventually their services were dispensed with after a sim check...

visibility3miles
12th Sep 2022, 22:42
Try asking here:

https://www.ninety-nines.org

Established in 1929 by 99 women pilots, the members of The Ninety-Nines, Inc.ģ, International Organization of Women Pilotsģ, are represented in all areas of aviation today. And, to quote Amelia [Earhart], fly "for the fun of it!"

condor17
13th Sep 2022, 15:04
Kanyon , I was on BEA/BA Trident fleets from '73- Dec'85 [ the bitter end ] . No lady pilots on the fleet then . Never heard of any on NorthEast T1Es before they joined us .. None after joining BA.
I saw Lynn Barton when she was an Hamble cadet and up to LHR for her supenummary flts . Likely she went on a Trident flight .
When she graduated , BA were not recruiting , so she joined Dan Air originally and at some time flew 146s .
New recruiting started in '87 with several ladies inc. Lynn , Tridents long gone then .

That only leaves Channel , Iraq , Kuwait , and China ...

rgds condor .

CAEBr
13th Sep 2022, 20:19
That only leaves Channel , Iraq , Kuwait , and China ...


and Cyprus Airways ?

treadigraph
13th Sep 2022, 20:26
At least four BA Trident 3s ended up with a Zairian outfit after retirement - though I suspect lady pilots were not amongst their crews! ;)

Great thread!

BSD
13th Sep 2022, 21:22
Wasn't there also a Trident with Air Ceylon?

DaveReidUK
13th Sep 2022, 21:28
Wasn't there also a Trident with Air Ceylon?

Yes, a 1E.

Flugzeug A
13th Sep 2022, 21:55
After her command on Dan-Air's 748s she went on to command their BAC 1-11s in June 1975. I know because she taught me to fly in 1959 and I remained in touch with her until shortly before her death.

My dad was promoted & we moved to Glasgow in ‘73.
I was at school 6 miles from LBA & flew home on Dan-air’s HS748s ( & a ‘111 once when the ‘748 went ‘tech! )
Thanks for these posts all, I now know the name of the lady who flew me to Glasgow a couple of times.
As a child who had always loved things that fly & as a ‘regular’ who was known to most of the crews , I always visited the flight deck.
It was 50 years ago but I still remember how lovely she was , she made a great impression on a 12 year old.
I continue to think the ‘748 was a great piece of kit!

tubby linton
13th Sep 2022, 22:04
One of my former Monarch colleagues has flown for ACS. I vaguely remember him telling me that the Brits came home after one of them had a fatal accident. Here is a contemporary advert for the company. https://youtu.be/Kkv5H7IlTS8

Gordomac
15th Sep 2022, 09:29
Great thread and I concur with all posts. I was in ops from '68-'71. Cally crewing, BUA Traffic, Moretons..Sponsored by BKS/ Northeast and flew the T1e. but merged seniority and awful BEA SOP's led me on to Laker and Air Europe. Aware of all the past and no Trident ladies..

Cyprus did have the T1E but a very masculine society up to today. You won't even see them driving taxis or busses , let alone planes.

IN GF, rostered to fly with one(and only, I think) on the 76. VERY attracxtive, French. Had me mumbling like a freak as I asked her, nervously, if she would like to "Fly us hair, I mean bare I mean there," etc. Had to be asked twice for everything, missed radio calls.....oh dear..Hotac drinks in the bar saw me splill me jack&coke and she was whisked away by my trendy ,far too good- looking Head of the Cabin, fortunately ALL male. went to bed & watched "Air Crash Investigations". Marve !

condor17
21st Sep 2022, 15:03
Thanks for memory jog .. forgot about Cyprus , and Air Ceylon .
Filled in on a sim ride with an Air Ceylon guy who was 748 Capt , and T1E F/O . He was upgrading to Trid. Capt and was given some sim practice with us . No sims in Ceylon ... Myself and mate as stand in F/Os were not impressed ..
The Zaire sales , mopped up some recently retired Skips and some F/Os who taken redundancy ; no 'gurls from BA .... After the car crash in which skipper died [ good guy , near neigbour ] things changed ..
Tubby , might know him . Did he go on to Singapore ? If so next met him 20 + yrs later in Dickens bar in HKG , small world aviation .

Rgds condor .

tubby linton
21st Sep 2022, 15:59
The chap who came to Monarch after Zaire did indeed go on to SQ and is very probably the person you had a drink with Condor.He is now retired and living on the south coast.

condor17
22nd Sep 2022, 09:39
Tubby , G was course behind us at college . Still meet socially with some of his course , so will pass rgds next time .

rgd condor