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Markos.
1st Jun 2022, 07:43
Hi,
I'm looking forward to operate a jet from a 1,000m runway (VFR daytime only). My longest flight would be a 1,200NM trip (2/3 pax).
I have been looking at CJ1+ and Premier. Budget is around 2.5M. Either of these need longer runways.
What would be your suggestion?
I would be hiring a pro pilot as well. PM me if you are interested.
Thank you.
340drvr
1st Jun 2022, 11:50
That's right at the lower limit for most of the light jets. Cessna Mustang or M2, maybe the Phenom 100? It's what the new Pilatus PC-24 was designed for, but you won't find one in your budget.
Parson
1st Jun 2022, 13:58
How can you guarantee VFR on a 1200nm flight?
Markos.
1st Jun 2022, 14:22
How can you guarantee VFR on a 1200nm flight?
Parson,
it is obviously for the dep/arr to my base airport (no navaids or rnp).
Markos.
1st Jun 2022, 14:22
That's right at the lower limit for most of the light jets. Cessna Mustang or M2, maybe the Phenom 100? It's what the new Pilatus PC-24 was designed for, but you won't find one in your budget.
thank you. Will keep looking. Mustang payload is small at full fuel
Miles Magister
1st Jun 2022, 15:36
MARKOS,
I once spec’d a jet that I might have operated of a 1000’ runway but it would not achieve 1200nm range with that runway.
I am not in the game anymore so I can offer sound unbiased advice, if you would like it PM me.
To operate off that runway in a jet you will need to have a sound knowledge of performance issues and fly accurately, it is possible but the pilot needs to know what he is doing to be safe.
MM
heli14
1st Jun 2022, 15:57
Personally i'd avoid the Premier 1 - from memory it was terrible for short runways, at least when operating public transport (which I appreciate you may not be).
h14
MARKOS,
I once spec’d a jet that I might have operated of a 1000’ runway but it would not achieve 1200nm range with that runway.
I am not in the game anymore so I can offer sound unbiased advice, if you would like it PM me.
To operate off that runway in a jet you will need to have a sound knowledge of performance issues and fly accurately, it is possible but the pilot needs to know what he is doing to be safe.
MM
I thin he is talking about 1000m, Miles
Miles Magister
1st Jun 2022, 18:08
Oops, good point well made and my typo. I meant 1000 m.
Thank you
340drvr
2nd Jun 2022, 00:07
So, I know you spec'd jets right at the beginning, but, if 1200nm is your longest trip, what is your average, "usual" normal trip? Your 1000m runway limit points directly at turboprop, King Air, PC-12, or such.
His dudeness
3rd Jun 2022, 06:47
"1,000m runway" - what about obstacles ? What about elevation ? What about average temperatures ?
We operate a Citation Sovereign out of 1066m of runway WITH close in obstacles. THEY limit us to about 1500-1600nm of range. Without the obstacles we could go about 300 to 500nm further. (depending on temperature, load, wind). The Sovereign would be above the budget though.
IF you are serios about spending that amount of money, then let a professional make an analysis of the airport you mention. APG or similar companies can provide professional help in runway analysis for about every type on the planet.
"I would be hiring a pro pilot as well." What about 2 ? That second dude if properly qualified and trained is worth a lot.
Trim Stab
10th Jun 2022, 16:24
Cirrus Vision G2 can take off less than 1000m and has range 1275nm. Also within your budget even brand new.
zambonidriver
10th Jun 2022, 17:43
With those requirements I wonder if you would not get better served by a high end turboprop vs low end jet 🤔
His dudeness
25th Jun 2022, 07:44
I think we can conclude that was either another windup or fishing experiment (fishing for personal info)
EatMyShorts!
25th Jun 2022, 10:25
Not so sure. The OP has been a long-time member with a posting-history.
zambonidriver
25th Jun 2022, 11:08
Ok I'll bite.
How would that work? I muss definitely be unimaginative 🤔
172510
24th Jul 2022, 20:58
thank you. Will keep looking. Mustang payload is small at full fuel
One pilot and 2 passengers. Or 2 pilots and one passenger...
You won't fly 1200NM on a Mustang.
fairflyer
3rd Aug 2022, 13:44
Landing performance of almost all light jets on a wet runway negates contemplating use of 1000m the vast majority of the time. Often the smaller ones have very poor landing performance but adequate take-off capability. Absolutely forget the likes of the Premier 1, Beechjet, Hondajet, Phenom 100 etc. Even the 'baby' jets like the Eclipse and Vision SF50 have the Achilles heel of inadequate stopping performance on a wet runway. Often some of the larger types have better field performance actually. The Phenom 300 is notably better than the 100 for instance. Stick with the very smallest straight-wing Citations in this context, albeit some can't make the 1,200nm range requirement. Often the older ones are actually better than the new versions.
I'd forget a jet and go for a King Air or PC-XII. For the King Air, go for some of the aftermarket mods available - Raisbeck etc.