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mopardave
14th Apr 2022, 10:33
Given the current situation, it seems somewhat short sighted that Linton on Ouse is to become a refugee reception centre. Does "care and Maintenance" not exist any more? If it doesn't, maybe it ought to!! My heart goes out to the residents of Linton!:{

Mogwi
14th Apr 2022, 11:10
it seems somewhat short sited

I thought that it was quite long enough!

N707ZS
14th Apr 2022, 17:21
Given the current situation, it seems somewhat short sited that Linton on Ouse is to become a refugee reception centre. Does "care and Maintenance" not exist any more? If it doesn't, maybe it ought to!! My heart goes out to the residents of LOA!:{
Hi matey, I live in a Northern town, I would love to round up like for like and swap your refugees for British scum.

muppetofthenorth
14th Apr 2022, 17:25
Given the current situation, it seems somewhat short sited that Linton on Ouse is to become a refugee reception centre. Does "care and Maintenance" not exist any more? If it doesn't, maybe it ought to!! My heart goes out to the residents of LOA!:{
As someone born and raised in that neck of the woods I can safely say you don't speak for the majority.

Wetstart Dryrun
14th Apr 2022, 18:12
Training Command or refugees?

Hard to choose.

mopardave
14th Apr 2022, 21:32
it seems somewhat short sited

I thought that it was quite long enough!
Oooops........quite right Mog! Suitably admonished!:ok:

mopardave
14th Apr 2022, 21:39
Hi matey, I live in a Northern town, I would love to round up like for like and swap your refugees for British scum.
I came from a Northern town "Matey" and I'm very familiar with "British scum" having had the pleasure of dealing with "scum" of many varieties. I'm sure if you asked the residents of Linton on Ouse, if they'd rather have it as an RAF base, I'm pretty sure they would in a heartbeat. Surely the heart was ripped out of that community when the base closed?

Mogwi
14th Apr 2022, 22:03
Linton will always have a very special place in my heart; 136 Helicopter Specialist Course with some wonderful personalities and excellent instructors. Great runs ashore in Ripon (teachers’ training college) and many great local hostelries with a great bunch of fellow trainees. Beating the toll bridge on the way home, illegal firing range in the cellar of the H block, harry doggers over Pilmore Junction and bouncing the CFI and Stn Cdr in my mighty Chipmunk (nearly got me chopped!). Final landing on FHT when I managed to bounce (major!) on a short landing and nearly dinked the prop but still stopped on the piano keys! Poor brakes in TL’s Ford Popular, which were supplemented by opening the (rearward opening) front doors.

I can still smell the leather and high-octane fuel, not to mention the occasional bit of vomit.

Swing the lamp!

Mog

mopardave
14th Apr 2022, 22:19
Linton will always have a very special place in my heart; 136 Helicopter Specialist Course with some wonderful personalities and excellent instructors. Great runs ashore in Ripon (teachers’ training college) and many great local hostelries with a great bunch of fellow trainees. Beating the toll bridge on the way home, illegal firing range in the cellar of the H block, harry doggers over Pilmore Junction and bouncing the CFI and Stn Cdr in my mighty Chipmunk (nearly got me chopped!). Final landing on FHT when I managed to bounce (major!) on a short landing and nearly dinked the prop but still stopped on the piano keys! Poor brakes in TL’s Ford Popular, which were supplemented by opening the (rearward opening) front doors.

I can still smell the leather and high-octane fuel, not to mention the occasional bit of vomit.

Swing the lamp!

Mog

Keep swinging it Mog...........and that bridge doesn't half rattle ya fillings!!

mopardave
14th Apr 2022, 22:31
As someone born and raised in that neck of the woods I can safely say you don't speak for the majority.

That may be muppet.........but the (granted, one) resident of Linton I spoke too was devastated. If you live in Linton and don't mind, you're okay then aren't you.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
14th Apr 2022, 23:43
Yup, feelings here are mixed but generally not good.

https://homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2022/04/14/factsheet-linton-asylum-accommodation/

https://www.kevinhollinrake.org.uk/news/statement-regarding-linton-ouse-asylum-reception-centre?fbclid=IwAR0M6tVqvV-9k9epgtVD6PWOhGqF6EXWeExvlWSZYYsoxAMMlv8Bdmb4F_o

Came as a bolt out of the blue this morning. Local MP spouting twaddle, about jobs and business prospects. Oh, and the Parish Council has been blind-sided.
Initial thoughts were it was for refugee families but that has now been clarified.

Seems 500+ single male asylum seekers will be free to wander around unhindered. Crap bus service so they won't be going far to make it back for the 10pm curfew BUT if they're not back someone will phone them to make sure THEY are OK.

The lack of information, discussion and community inclusion is a disgrace.

mopardave
15th Apr 2022, 07:15
Yup, feelings here are mixed but generally not good.

https://homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2022/04/14/factsheet-linton-asylum-accommodation/

https://www.kevinhollinrake.org.uk/news/statement-regarding-linton-ouse-asylum-reception-centre?fbclid=IwAR0M6tVqvV-9k9epgtVD6PWOhGqF6EXWeExvlWSZYYsoxAMMlv8Bdmb4F_o

Came as a bolt out of the blue this morning. Local MP spouting twaddle, about jobs and business prospects. Oh, and the Parish Council has been blind-sided.
Initial thoughts were it was for refugee families but that has now been clarified.

Seems 500+ single male asylum seekers will be free to wander around unhindered. Crap bus service so they won't be going far to make it back for the 10pm curfew BUT if they're not back someone will phone them to make sure THEY are OK.

The lack of information, discussion and community inclusion is a disgrace.
I wonder will York City council give you a reduction in your council tax to reflect the drop in value of your property? Must feel like light years ago when that place was an asset to the village. So sorry SWB!

Asturias56
15th Apr 2022, 07:47
"Oh, and the Parish Council has been blind-sided."

Parish Councils have few responsibilities (allotments is the main one) and nothing to do with Planning Permission or developments

ItsonlyMeagain
15th Apr 2022, 08:21
As a former chair of a parish council, I must disagree with the comment that PC’s have nothing to do with planning.

All planning applications should go to the PC for comment as stage 1 of the planning decision process and are there to help applicants and equally those that may have objections.

We had no allotments.

Me

mopardave
15th Apr 2022, 08:26
"Oh, and the Parish Council has been blind-sided."

Parish Councils have few responsibilities (allotments is the main one) and nothing to do with Planning Permission or developments
Local councils DO "listen" to Parish Councils on planning applications..........so when the local council turns down your planning application, they can site the Parish council objection too as additional justification! But in reality Asturias56, you're quite right, Parish councils have absolutely no leverage in my experience. I've experienced both sides of that coin.

Roland Pulfrew
15th Apr 2022, 08:44
Parish Councils have few responsibilities (allotments is the main one) and nothing to do with Planning Permission or developments

Not sure that is a true statement. My local parish council comments on all planning applications in the Parish and objects to quite a few.

cliver029
15th Apr 2022, 08:59
Well our parish council can "pass" or "object" and county planners take no notice whichever way.
instead they set up a hit squad (sorry sub committee ) to rule on all things eco, ordering the full monty,
heat pumps solar panels PV cells etc etc, until they were politely told that even the county planners
had not yet sorted those issues properly enough to rule on it. Thread drift sorry.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
15th Apr 2022, 09:35
Bit of a moot point what a Parish Council's role should or should not be.
Fact is, neither they nor the local community had any warning.

Linton falls under Hambleton District Council and I am not expecting any discount on rates. Even if we did get one, a saving of £30/year is hardly comparable to a loss of £30,000 on a property valuation.

I have two estate agents coming round next week yo give me a property valuation. We were looking to re locate to CGY next year and I had already started the move ball rolling. It will be interesting to hear their thoughts on a community of 2000 having 500+ single male asylum seekers ( of questionable background and intent) free to roam the streets.

Intention was to beat the flood of Annington homes hitting the market and depressing prices but now this too. An expensive rethink may be on the cards.

Asturias56
15th Apr 2022, 09:59
"having 500+ single male asylum seekers ( of questionable background and intent) "

But on the other hand you 'll have permanent supply of builders, electricians, painters, gardeners, mechanics and people to look after the aged

Many of them will also be available to pick fruit and potatoes ...............

You will probably find at least two doctors and one vet amongst them as well as a number of nurses

Unlikely to be any financiers, lawyers, media influencers or other low life

Foghorn Leghorn
15th Apr 2022, 10:30
"having 500+ single male asylum seekers ( of questionable background and intent) "

But on the other hand you 'll have permanent supply of builders, electricians, painters, gardeners, mechanics and people to look after the aged

Many of them will also be available to pick fruit and potatoes ...............

You will probably find at least two doctors and one vet amongst them as well as a number of nurses

Unlikely to be any financiers, lawyers, media influencers or other low life

‘Probably’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence.

Video Mixdown
15th Apr 2022, 11:45
"having 500+ single male asylum seekers ( of questionable background and intent) "
But on the other hand you 'll have permanent supply of builders, electricians, painters, gardeners, mechanics and people to look after the aged
Many of them will also be available to pick fruit and potatoes ...............
You will probably find at least two doctors and one vet amongst them as well as a number of nurses
Unlikely to be any financiers, lawyers, media influencers or other low life
Not if they're illegal immigrants.

Underfoot
15th Apr 2022, 12:11
"Oh, and the Parish Council has been blind-sided."

Parish Councils have few responsibilities (allotments is the main one) and nothing to do with Planning Permission or developments

Twaddle.

A PC has a large say in planning permissions and developments. Our local PCs (3 surrounding villages) have successfully stomped on plans to triple the size of a nearby prison after lobbying councillors, along with plans for 2000 houses in nearby fields. A boring role but, they are vital and play their part (if run properly).

As for Linton becoming a refugee camp. It's in the middle of nowhere, won't impact on any major cities so, I can see that it was an easy choice for those running the farcical attempt to look after war refugees.

El Grifo
15th Apr 2022, 12:59
Shooda voted for Brexit then !!
Oh, Hang On !! 🤪

El.G.

JulieAndrews
15th Apr 2022, 13:04
Wow - so sorry for residents and surrounding areas. There is no history of such an initiative improving the situation or reducing crime rates in the area.
Maybe I won’t get to finish my book of toll bridge tickets after all…….

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
15th Apr 2022, 13:30
...
Maybe I won’t get to finish my book of toll bridge tickets after all…….

You may yet, the price for the toll is planned to double. It may be you have to hand over two tickets each crossing.

15th Apr 2022, 13:48
You may yet, the price for the toll is planned to double. It may be you have to hand over two tickets each crossing. Sounds like a business opportunity for some unscrupulous types offering cheap crossings in a rubber dinghy..........:E

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
15th Apr 2022, 15:53
Sounds like a business opportunity for some unscrupulous types offering cheap crossings in a rubber dinghy..........:E


You owe me a new keyboard. Mine is now coffee coated. LOL.

N707ZS
15th Apr 2022, 17:44
What plane could you get that can take off from Linton and have the range to reach Rwanda.

WB627
15th Apr 2022, 17:58
What plane could you get that can take off from Linton and have the range to reach Rwanda.

Hercules, A400 or C17 and in flight refuel it :E

cynicalint
15th Apr 2022, 20:17
I wonder how much the Immigration and Border Force will need to spend on the accommodation to bring it up to the standard expected by the free-lancing scrotes?

mopardave
15th Apr 2022, 20:41
Twaddle.

A PC has a large say in planning permissions and developments. Our local PCs (3 surrounding villages) have successfully stomped on plans to triple the size of a nearby prison after lobbying councillors, along with plans for 2000 houses in nearby fields. A boring role but, they are vital and play their part (if run properly).

As for Linton becoming a refugee camp. It's in the middle of nowhere, won't impact on any major cities so, I can see that it was an easy choice for those running the farcical attempt to look after war refugees.
"Won't impact on any major cities"........oh, well that's all right then! It will impact on Wetherby, York and Harrogate and it most certainly will impact on the poor residents of Linton whose property values have just nose dived! They'll no doubt lay on a bus service specially, so that they can immerse themselves in British culture.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
15th Apr 2022, 22:33
It's things like this that make for grim reading...

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/news/2021/04/12/victims-of-the-uks-failure-to-enforce-its-borders?fbclid=IwAR3aaYQPM_2waEkiCs_WMm_uRozVqoXv94PeYbNQNtc Eyf68lWsHf0wzm1g

What is not sinking in at the moment is that a majority of these single males have made their way from conflict that we have, in one form or another, had an input. There are those in the groups who really don't like the Brits, and even less so, the British military. Linton still has a very high military or ex-military population. Those with radical intent are being placed at the heart of their intended target demographic.

There is a Parish Council meeting on Friday 21st April. Local MP Kevin Holinrake cannot attend but can do Saturday. I just hope the PC change the date so we can ask him some direct questions and we get to see the whites of his eyes.

Of course the first question is ... "Is this a done deal that will go ahead?" So far there is too much "linton could be...", "It has been suggested that a new centre could be...", "The plan is thought to include Linton..."

mopardave
16th Apr 2022, 07:24
It's things like this that make for grim reading...

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/news/2021/04/12/victims-of-the-uks-failure-to-enforce-its-borders?fbclid=IwAR3aaYQPM_2waEkiCs_WMm_uRozVqoXv94PeYbNQNtc Eyf68lWsHf0wzm1g

What is not sinking in at the moment is that a majority of these single males have made their way from conflict that we have, in one form or another, had an input. There are those in the groups who really don't like the Brits, and even less so, the British military. Linton still has a very high military or ex-military population. Those with radical intent are being placed at the heart of their intended target demographic.

There is a Parish Council meeting on Friday 21st April. Local MP Kevin Holinrake cannot attend but can do Saturday. I just hope the PC change the date so we can ask him some direct questions and we get to see the whites of his eyes.

Of course the first question is ... "Is this a done deal that will go ahead?" So far there is too much "linton could be...", "It has been suggested that a new centre could be...", "The plan is thought to include Linton..."
Ooooh.......that's just another aspect SWB......hadn't thought about that. Back on the subject of care and maintenance, surely as the most recently "abandoned" piece of the defence estate, it could also be reactivated quicker and more cheaply??? The idea of placing all our eggs in very few baskets obviously isn't an issue any more?

Asturias56
16th Apr 2022, 08:21
"What is not sinking in at the moment is that a majority of these single males have made their way from conflict that we have, in one form or another, had an input."

They may well be our allies even

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
16th Apr 2022, 08:56
"What is not sinking in at the moment is that a majority of these single males have made their way from conflict that we have, in one form or another, had an input."

They may well be our allies even

Seeing as those who will be accommodated are those who have entered the UK through illegal methods, Balance of probabilities is it is far more likely they will not be.

It is not the 1 former ally that concerns us, it is the 499 "unknowns".

Video Mixdown
16th Apr 2022, 09:01
"What is not sinking in at the moment is that a majority of these single males have made their way from conflict that we have, in one form or another, had an input."

They may well be our allies even
Then why did they pay people smugglers to enter the UK illegally? Because the vast majority are not refugees.

pba_target
16th Apr 2022, 17:25
Then why did they pay people smugglers to enter the UK illegally? Because the vast majority are not refugees.

VM - could you perhaps explain how you'd go about 'entering the UK legally' as a refugee? It's really not very easy unless you're in exactly the set of circumstances that ticks the boxes. You either get resettled as part of a programme (pretty niche, and if recent Afghanistan and Ukraine experience is anything to go by, probably about a year or two too late) or you already have some form of permission to travel to the UK (passport + visa for tourism or work).

Willing to bet that covers perhaps 1% of refugees wanting to come to the UK, many of whom have pretty valid reasons such as family here.

Method of entry to the UK is a pretty poor discriminator of whether someone is deserving of help, I'd suggest, especially when you look at how arbitrary resettlement programs are.

mopardave
16th Apr 2022, 21:48
I wonder how many will abscond whilst waiting for their flight to Rwanda? Can't see them being complicit somehow.

Prunus Dessicata
16th Apr 2022, 22:54
There's a whole bunch of 'em in my local Premier Inn and all three adjacent hotels in my local market town.

Great places to park as the 'guests' mostly couldn't get their cars on the Zodiac boat to Kent.

oldpax
17th Apr 2022, 01:54
I was a school boy in 1956 and well remember the arrival of " refugees"to ex RAF Hednesford from Hungary.Some supposedly released by the russians from Hungarian jails.These"refugees" went on a thieving and plundering spree quite openly of the surrounding towns.Local police couldnt cope!Eventually they were all shipped of to America.I feel sorry for those living next to Linton!!

17th Apr 2022, 06:33
There is a very disappointing level of xenophobic rhetoric on this thread plus a dose of NIMBYism - is it because most of the refugees are not white or Christian?

I suspect that the attitude would be very different if it was Ukrainians being housed there.

Yes, I know single males mostly stayed to fight but that was because they had an organised military unlike those fleeing from Syria, Afghanistan, Ethiopia etc.

If your choices were to stay at home and die from starvation or thirst or be randomly tortured and shot - wouldn't you risk everything to get away to a safe country, including using what money you could beg steal or borrow to pay people traffickers to get you there?

Perhaps a little empathy would go a long way when formulating immigration policies - something Thickie Patel clearly doesn't have.

ZH875
17th Apr 2022, 07:36
Perhaps people would have more empathy with the illegal migrants if they stayed in one of the many safe countries they pass through, before illegal entry into the UK.

mopardave
17th Apr 2022, 07:55
Perhaps people would have more empathy with the illegal migrants if they stayed in one of the many safe countries they pass through, before illegal entry into the UK.
Indeed........now, what would possibly attract them to this country having passed through other countries offering safety? As for NIMBYism............give it a rest! If I thought the home I'd worked hard to acquire was going to nosedive in value, you bet your boots I'd be gutted! I wonder how many on here have had direct "dealings" (in this country) with some of these "guests"? I still think it's a valuable asset about to be squandered!

cliver029
17th Apr 2022, 07:57
Sorry "crab" my distaste is reinforced by the sight of very obviously economic refugees jumping off boats clutching a phone in one hand a cigarette in the other.
I have seen real refugees and they are nothing like the ones coming ashore at Dover!

Asturias56
17th Apr 2022, 08:02
".These"refugees" went on a thieving and plundering spree quite openly of the surrounding towns.Local police couldn't cope!Eventually they were all shipped of to America.I feel sorry for those living next to Linton!!"

So the Americans were quite happy to accept convicted thieves from the UK? Not since 1776 I think you'll find. Most Hungarians worked very hard, but they moved from the sticks to the big cities as fast as they could. Same with Ugandan Asians. Not much opportunity in places like Linton on Ouse really.

In fact most refugees are willing to work a lot harder than most Brits - that's why you find them in poorly paid jobs and ones like agriculture, that you couldn't get your average Brit to come within a mile of

mopardave
17th Apr 2022, 08:26
In fact most refugees are willing to work a lot harder than most Brits - that's why you find them in poorly paid jobs and ones like agriculture, that you couldn't get your average Brit to come within a mile of

Absolutely agree Asturias........there are many who could put the "cream" of the U.K's youf to shame.........but I haven't seen many Somalians picking broccoli. Not sure why you mentioned Hungarians.......you could have included Poles, Ukrainians, and the Windrush generation to name but a few. All came in search of a better life and the vast majority were successful.........they were my neighbours and I grew up and went to school with them. The Eastern Europeans were the most inventive people I have ever come across. There's no comparison.

17th Apr 2022, 14:25
Perhaps too many Daily Mail, Express and Torygraph readers here for actual empathy....

Glad it was different when the Kinder transport happened during WW2 and when we also welcomed every race and colour to fight for us.

Just what is wrong with an economic migrant? People have been coming here legally to improve their lot from around the world for years and no-one labels them as 'economic migrants' as if it is a dirty word.

The legal routes are congested and very limited due to politicians advancing the immigration issue as a vote-winner and producing failed policy after failed policy to try and do something about it.

This myth that they all want to scrounge on the dole is just that - look to our British yoof for that ingrained attitude - most incomers want to work.

Someone wrote to a national paper recently saying that if you just paid the cost of a boat or plane ticket for everyone that wanted to come to UK, it would be cheaper than Priti's policy and put the people traffickers out of work overnight.

MPN11
17th Apr 2022, 14:39
Agreed broadly. The Legal route is difficult, and the Illegal route is almost uncontrollable.

The little Island of Jersey has a remarkably mixed population [via legal means]. From c. 110,00 population, we have c.10% Portuguese/Madeiran and c. 5% Polish ... enough of both to support their own shops and cafes. Seamlessly integrated, and both contributing to the economy and daily life.
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17th Apr 2022, 21:29
The little Island of Jersey has a remarkably mixed population [via legal means]. From c. 110,00 population, we have c.10% Portuguese/Madeiran and c. 5% Polish ... enough of both to support their own shops and cafes. Seamlessly integrated, and both contributing to the economy and daily life. Laudable as that is, where are the brown people? The UK is supposed to be a multi-ethnic multi-cultural society but it seems from some of the posts here (not yours MPN11) that it really is about skin colour.

White refugees = good people and welcome

Brown refugees = scrotes and terrorists so send them away.

mopardave
17th Apr 2022, 22:42
but it seems from some of the posts here (not yours MPN11) that it really is about skin colour.

I doubt that very much.

cynicalint
17th Apr 2022, 23:25
Laudable as that is, where are the brown people?

That statement automatically marks you out as racist!

18th Apr 2022, 06:12
That statement automatically marks you out as racist! Do please explain your logic there - that is a typical internet riposte, 'you said brown people so you must be racist', really????

18th Apr 2022, 06:14
I doubt that very much. Then what is it that makes people rail at Syrian or Afghan or Ethiopian refugees but welcome Ukrainian refugees with open arms?

Asturias56
18th Apr 2022, 07:13
"but I haven't seen many Somalians picking broccoli. Not sure why you mentioned Hungarians."

The previous poster claimed he remembers Hungarian refugees being deported to the USA because they stole

I remember a family of Hungarian refugees in my state school - the older one became head boy, and took a double first in Maths at Cambridge (when such things were rare) - but perhaps he stole it :rolleyes:

Foghorn Leghorn
18th Apr 2022, 07:42
Do please explain your logic there - that is a typical internet riposte, 'you said brown people so you must be racist', really????

He’s right. Calling someone ‘brown’ is considered a racist term. Don’t ask me why, it just is. I’d stop using it immediately if I were you.

MPN11
18th Apr 2022, 09:09
I'll try a non-racist local input. We here also have a fair number of 'seasonal workers' in the Hospitality industry ... who tend to be either from the Caribbean or Africa.


BTW, I went to boarding school in Jamaica, so I like to think I have no issues with race ... only with people's behaviour, whatever their colour.

18th Apr 2022, 09:19
I like to think I have no issues with race ... only with people's behaviour, whatever their colour. Spot on MPN11:ok:

El Grifo
18th Apr 2022, 09:27
My understanding is that it's a question of integration, where some ethnic groups make a real and solid attempt, whilst others do the exact opposite.
In the main, Chinese and Indians for example, seem to thrive in their host countries !

El Grifo

18th Apr 2022, 09:29
Tricky to integrate when you are locked up behind fences

El Grifo
18th Apr 2022, 09:44
A general comment on immigration crab !
But you knew that.

El G.

Foghorn Leghorn
18th Apr 2022, 09:45
Tricky to integrate when you are locked up behind fences

Not really, Crab. Those behind fences are having their asylum claims processed. Whilst a good proportion of them will be found to have legitimate claims and homed in the UK, a number of them will not.

When you say fences, they’ve good accommodation, large open areas, food and water. I’d take that any day whilst my claim is being processed rather than being hunted down and persecuted in my own country.

18th Apr 2022, 10:17
FL - perhaps read this for a slightly less rosy insight https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/5948/room-at-the-inn-inside-the-uks-asylum-seeker-hotel-scheme

Foghorn Leghorn
18th Apr 2022, 13:41
FL - perhaps read this for a slightly less rosy insight https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/5948/room-at-the-inn-inside-the-uks-asylum-seeker-hotel-scheme

I’m sure that’s correct. I could also find you a number of other stories which will say Linton is a significant improvement over living with nothing, fleeing from war and persecution with the strong possibility of being killed.

Airbanda
18th Apr 2022, 15:03
Perhaps people would have more empathy with the illegal migrants if they stayed in one of the many safe countries they pass through, before illegal entry into the UK.

They do not enter the UK illegally.

As of today it's perfectly legal to rock up in the UK by any means and claim asylum so long as you do so immediately.

18th Apr 2022, 15:17
I’m sure that’s correct. I could also find you a number of other stories which will say Linton is a significant improvement over living with nothing, fleeing from war and persecution with the strong possibility of being killed. I know there's nothing much wrong with Linton, I trained there in the 80s.

I wasn't one of those complaining about the refugees being sent there.

Foghorn Leghorn
18th Apr 2022, 16:51
They do not enter the UK illegally.

As of today it's perfectly legal to rock up in the UK by any means and claim asylum so long as you do so immediately.

Not really true though is it.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
18th Apr 2022, 18:33
Just to clear up a few of the misconceptions from earlier posters.

1. The people to be housed are NOT families seeking lawful refuge, they are single males who have entered this country illegally.

2. Their asylum status and background is perhaps as vague as it could possibly be for someone who has thrown away their passport and won't provide truthful country-of-origin information (a common tactic apparently).

3.They will not be in any form of secure area, and will be totally free to roam. Note these are NOT peole who have been successful with an applcation, but those who are in the process AND may yet have their application denied. 500+ free to roam in a community of around 1000 people.

4. This is most definitely NOT NIMBY-ism; this should NOT be happening in anyone's backyard.

5. The knowledge of this has been with people in the government/military for quite some time. You don't just come up with this overnight. If it is not such a problem, then why all the subterfuge and denials?

6. One local idiot has said that having 500+ illegals is no different to havng 500 airmen on the base!

7. The figure of 500... no one will say what the actual figure is going to be. The weasily words used state "upwards of 500" . I can see that tripled when the Rwanda malarky gets kicked into touch, and other old stations used.


If anyone says there is an over-reaction, then I guess in every instance listed below, there will have been the liberals saying "can't see what the fuss is about".

1. “Officials missed six chances to kick illegal immigrant Hani Khalaf out of Britain before he murdered a carer. The 22-year-old Egyptian bludgeoned Jairo Medina, 62, to death in London’s Hyde Park in August 2016 for his mobile phone and a few pounds. Khalaf was free to live in the UK despite falsely claiming to be a Syrian refugee when he arrived in Kent two years earlier hidden in a lorry. The career criminal had previously been arrested at least six times for theft and fraud, but was released rather than deported as he repeatedly lied about his identity. In 2017, Khalaf was sentenced to a minimum of 26 years in jail for murder as a judge suggested that his case should prompt a review of the law.Judge Wendy Joseph QC said the killer had ‘no respect for the law’. Khalaf was sent back into the community repeatedly and Mr Medina, a Colombian, paid for it ‘with his life’, she added” (see media report (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8461389/Six-foreign-criminals-DAY-freed-Britains-streets-instead-deported-new-figures-show.html), 2020).

2. Rachid Redouane – one of the perpetrators of the 2017 London Bridge attacks, in which 11 people were killed and 48 injured (21 critically) – was a Moroccan-born failed asylum seeker. After having his 2009 claim for asylum rejected, he remained here before going on to live in Ireland three years later. He then returned and (alongside two others) committed a barbaric, horrendous and violent attack on Londoners who were just going about their daily lives.

3. A failed asylum seeker – Eltiona Skana – killed seven-year old Emily Jones by slitting her throat in Bolton on 22 March 2020. The perpetrator’s initial claim for asylum in 2014 was refused but the Home Office then granted her leave to remain in the UK until 2024. The perpetrator was cleared of murder on the basis of diminished responsibility.

4. Khairi Saadallah – who shouted “Allahu akhbar” as he brutally murdered three men in a terror attack in Reading on 20 June 2020 – was a failed Libyan asylum seeker who reportedly illegally entered the country from Libya in 2012. Saadallah was given temporary leave to remain in 2018 despite already having amassing a string of criminal convictions and being a member of a banned terrorist group in Libya. Just two weeks prior to the attack the government said that his deportation was in the public interest but for legal reasons it could not happen.

5. Failed asylum claimant Azam Mangori – an Iraqi Kurd – was sentenced to life in prison for murdering 32-year-old Lorraine Cox in Exeter in September 2020 by smothering her with a T-shirt. He left Ms Cox’s body for a week in his flat before he dismembered her. Mangori was denied asylum in December 2018.

6. The Parson’s Green bomber – Iraqi asylum seeker Ahmed Hassan – came to Britain illegally in the back of lorry in 2015. Interviewed at an immigration centre in Croydon in January 2016, Mr Hassan, said: “They trained us how to kill. It was all religious based.” However, he was still able to claim asylum and was not removed from the UK before attempting to bomb a District Line tube train on 15 September 2017.

7. A Somalian double rapist was allowed to stay in the UK on human rights grounds after a judge said he would face ‘degrading’ treatment in his home country due to his mental health. The 49-year-old arrived in Britain in 2004 and claimed asylum, but he amassed eight convictions in the space of six years. Robbery, trying to pervert the course of justice. Raping two different women were among his offences. He used a knife during one of these crimes and was jailed for more than seven years. Now he has been allowed to stay here. But what about the safety of the public?

8. A Sudanese asylum seeker – Badreddin Abadlla Adam – stabbed six people, including a police officer, while on a violent rampage in a hotel in Glasgow in June 2020.

9. An Afghan asylum seeker – Samiulahaq Akbari – tried to murder a complete stranger in Thornton Heath, London while ‘fuelled’ by a desire to kill English people. He was convicted of attempted murder over the rampage which took place on 8 January 2019, just 12 days after he was released from prison for another assault.

10. Kuwaiti hit and run driver – Hadi Hamid – who nearly killed two teenagers in Middlesbrough in October 2017 after ploughing into them with his car (and leaving with life-changing injuries) was allowed to stay in the UK – even though his refugee status was revoked. Hamid was sentenced to four years behind bars in February 2018 and was ordered to be deported, yet he was released from prison in October 2019 and has still not left.

11. Sudanese asylum seeker Karar Ali Karar savagely murdered 21-year-old Jodi Miller in Leeds in February 2019 by stabbing her 15 times in the head and body in an ‘explosive rage’ after she refused to have sex with him. He was jailed for life in August 2019. The question is – will he be forced to leave the UK upon leaving prison? Given the increasing failure to remove such people from the UK, it is looking unlikely.

12. Illegal Algerian immigrant Khaled Meridja, who reportedly entered Britain through France after hiding in the back of a lorry, was jailed for seven-and-a-half years in October 2019 for strangling and sexually assaulting a teenager.

13. Albanian Asdrit Kapaj- also known as the Wimbledon prowler – terrorised south west London with burglaries for a decade after also arriving in the UK in 1996 and falsely claiming to be a Kosovan refugee. After being granted indefinite leave to remain in 1999, he was refused naturalisation as a British citizen in 2011 on the grounds that he had lied about his nationality, meaning he should have been deported. He was jailed for 14 years in June 2019 after admitting to 25 charges of burglary and attempted burglary in which cash and valuables worth almost £500,000 were stolen in meticulously planned break-ins.

14. An illegal immigrant who sexually assaulted two women at packed Bournemouth beach while his friends watched and laughed was jailed for 18 months. in January 2022 (see media report (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10374741/Illegal-immigrant-31-sexually-assaulted-two-women-Bournemouth-beach-jailed-18-months.html)). Kuku Machhal, 31, of Southall, west London, groped the women in the sea in two separate incidents on July 23 2021, Portsmouth Crown Court heard. He came to UK illegally from India in 2015 and was facing deportation at the time of the crime. But why wasn’t he removed long before it was able to occur?

15. Nigerian student Femi Nandap was arrested and charged with wielding a very large knife in a public place and attacking and biting a police officer in May 2015. After being charged, he returned to Nigeria to be treated with psychotic drugs, before coming back to the UK. Inexplicably, the charges against him were dropped. Six days later, he brutally and randomly stabbed to death Dutch academic Dr Jeroen Ensink on a street in Islington, London in broad daylight while in a cannabis-induced psychotic rage. An inquest later found failings by the Metropolitan Police following his earlier arrest, while the deputy chief crown prosecutor apologised and admitted they had made an “incorrect” decision not to pursue the assault charge (see media reports here (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44683406)and here (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44863356)).

El Grifo
18th Apr 2022, 19:15
One of the recent boatloads to arrive here in Lanzarote were casually dressed, fresh looking 25 somethings all toting fully charged mobile phones after what was purported to be a long crossing in a hugely underpowered wreck of a boat !
The method now supposedly is that they board a Mother Ship on the Moroccan coast which transports them as close as possible to the Island then decants them into the towed behind boat in a location where the winds and tide effectively bring them in. The little outboard does the rest.
Guess they never fully thought it through !!
Caught !!
El Grifo

Finningley Boy
18th Apr 2022, 19:35
Hi Satco,

The trouble is that as much as your case seems solid and well made, it won't go very far. These arguments just go round in circles as the "Whole World's a Global Village" Brigade will alwasy throw counters, often disingenuous ones, to sweep any real concerns about long term harmony and prospects aside. Certainly the Labour Party, what ever they say about appreciating the need for immigration control, are sympathetic with nothing of the sort, but they will twist, for example, Brexit, and insincerely present it as a reason for why the immigration problem has been exacerbated. The left ultimately see national borders and identities as intrinsically evil!:E

FB

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
18th Apr 2022, 19:44
Hi Satco,

The trouble is that as much as your case seems solid and well made, it won't go very far. These arguments just go round in circles as the "Whole World's a Global Village" Brigade will alwasy throw counters, often disingenuous ones, to sweep any real concerns about long term harmony and prospects aside. Certainly the Labour Party, what ever they say about appreciating the need for immigration control, are sympathetic with nothing of the sort, but they will twist, for example, Brexit, and insincerely present it as a reason for why the immigration problem has been exacerbated. The left ultimately see national borders and identities as intrinsically evil!:E

FB
I don't disagree. Just sums up how the welfare of unknowns is put before that of the existing and very quiet rural community. Add security to the idea and I doubt anyone will complain. There really is very little to do at Linton and the boredom will lead to trouble.

I am very interested to know exactly what they intend to have on base to keep 500+ single males occupied for 4-6 months.

Roland Pulfrew
18th Apr 2022, 20:04
Just to clear up a few of the misconceptions from earlier posters.

1. The people to be housed are NOT families seeking lawful refuge, they are single males who have entered this country illegally.

2. Their asylum status and background is perhaps as vague as it could possibly be for someone who has thrown away their passport and won't provide truthful country-of-origin information (a common tactic apparently).

3.They will not be in any form of secure area, and will be totally free to roam. Note these are NOT peole who have been successful with an applcation, but those who are in the process AND may yet have their application denied. 500+ free to roam in a community of around 1000 people.

4. This is most definitely NOT NIMBY-ism; this should NOT be happening in anyone's backyard…….

If anyone says there is an over-reaction, then I guess in every instance listed below, there will have been the liberals saying "can't see what the fuss is about".

….. inquest later found failings by the Metropolitan Police following his earlier arrest, while the deputy chief crown prosecutor apologised and admitted they had made an “incorrect” decision not to pursue the assault charge (see media reports here and here (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44863356)).

SWB, well said. If I may, did you miss out the Manchester Arena murderer and the murderer of Sir David Amiss?

What have all these scum got in common? Might it be a certain religion? No-one should have to put up with these holding centres, the process should be arrive illegally, be arrested, be taken to airport in handcuffs, put on plane out of the UK to be processed. No lawyers, no appeals.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
18th Apr 2022, 20:53
In both instances, the attacker was a British citizen.
We have to be careful with regards defining all of these "visitors" as scum an dother highly emotive terms. The issue is they are all "unknowns" and if 99.8% of them are perfectly decent, law abiding young men who want to better themselves in life then that leaves the 0.2% (1 person) intent on doing harm to a member of the community. It only takes 1 to commit a murder, or a rape, or a serious assault. They have the freedom to do that and a freedom to disappear into the night, never to be found again.

The govt. is spending a lot of money on this, accommodation is available. I wonder how many homeless veterans would appreciate a safe, warm and facility-loaded place to stay FOC.

mopardave
18th Apr 2022, 21:48
In both instances, the attacker was a British citizen.
We have to be careful with regards defining all of these "visitors" as scum an dother highly emotive terms. The issue is they are all "unknowns" and if 99.8% of them are perfectly decent, law abiding young men who want to better themselves in life then that leaves the 0.2% (1 person) intent on doing harm to a member of the community. It only takes 1 to commit a murder, or a rape, or a serious assault. They have the freedom to do that and a freedom to disappear into the night, never to be found again.

The govt. is spending a lot of money on this, accommodation is available. I wonder how many homeless veterans would appreciate a safe, warm and facility-loaded place to stay FOC.
Absolutely SWB........surely a stain on this nations character. If we can't look after those who've sworn allegiance and served this country but fallen through the cracks in the system, dear god, what are we thinking of? Charity begins at home. At the very least, this facility should be secure. It's been stated that there's been NIMBYism and xenophobia on display here.......well, I'd say there's also some breathtaking naivety on display. If these young single males think they're headed to Rwanda, they'll bomb burst. Anyone who thinks it's a good idea, put your money where your mouth is..........sponsor them and let 'em have the spare bedroom. In what universe can the rights of complete unknowns outweigh those of the residents of Linton or Manston?

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
18th Apr 2022, 22:03
.. In what universe can the rights of complete unknowns outweigh those of the residents of Linton or Manston?

or any former military establishement betwix the two (and beyond) that may have accommodation space easily converted. If you live near Scampton, as an example, I would be keeping a close watch on what happens these next few weeks at Linton.
Is there still any space at Cottesmore?

mopardave
18th Apr 2022, 22:09
or any former military establishement betwix the two (and beyond) that may have accommodation space easily converted. If you live near Scampton, as an example, I would be keeping a close watch on what happens these next few weeks at Linton.
Is there still any space at Cottesmore?
Absolutely!

19th Apr 2022, 08:29
SWB - it's all very well listing a number of crimes committed by immigrants (illegal or not) but that doesn't present a balanced view of how many more (and equally awful) crimes are committed everyday by UK nationals of all colours and creeds.

Are there muslims calling 999 just so they can throw rocks at emergency services - is it immigrants abusing NHS staff on a daily basis? Just look at the Met police force for violent crimes.

A bit of balance rather than emotive DM journalism wouldn't go amiss - far more of our own countrymen are scumbags and scrotes than the number of immigrants. Yes, a minority of them will be bad apples/criminals but should we deny the majority a fresh start?

plans123
19th Apr 2022, 10:05
I don't post much, but I am dismayed by some of the comments on this thread and cant see the relevance of this subject to this forum to be honest.

Foghorn Leghorn
19th Apr 2022, 10:08
I don't post much, but I am dismayed by some of the comments on this thread and cant see the relevance of this subject to this forum to be honest.

I am pleased at some of the comments on this thread and welcome them as it’s all too easy to say nothing, scared that you’ll be called (wrongly) a racist/xenophobe.

76fan
19th Apr 2022, 10:34
SWB - it's all very well listing a number of crimes committed by immigrants (illegal or not) but that doesn't present a balanced view of how many more (and equally awful) crimes are committed everyday by UK nationals of all colours and creeds.

Are there muslims calling 999 just so they can throw rocks at emergency services - is it immigrants abusing NHS staff on a daily basis? Just look at the Met police force for violent crimes.

A bit of balance rather than emotive DM journalism wouldn't go amiss - far more of our own countrymen are scumbags and scrotes than the number of immigrants. Yes, a minority of them will be bad apples/criminals but should we deny the majority a fresh start?
A "balanced view"? Traditional English/Scottish/Welsh/Irish surnames do not appear anything like the number of times almost unpronounceable names are reported in serious crime matters, or are you suggesting that crimes by our own "scumbags and scrotes" as you call them go unreported?
Perhaps a total review of our soft justice system is long overdue starting with the reintroduction of capital punishment for murder, terrorism and treason. Serious crime was headline news for days on end in the 50's and 60's; now it appears to be an everyday event barely reported.

Toadstool
19th Apr 2022, 12:00
I don't post much, but I am dismayed by some of the comments on this thread and cant see the relevance of this subject to this forum to be honest.

I agree plans. This thread sits firmly in JB having been hijacked by casual racists and NIMBYs. I’m hoping none of them are currently serving.

19th Apr 2022, 12:04
Spoken like a true DM reader 76fan - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom

Darkmouse
19th Apr 2022, 12:28
Spoken like a true DM reader 76fan - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom

That link doesn't support your argument at all.


Also, just for the record, I would be extremely annoyed if my little village were suddenly to become a refugee centre. I am of the opinion that if people have travelled through many safe countries to get to the UK, in search of safety, then they shouldn't be at all unhappy with Rwanda as a final destination. Safe, and plenty of opportunities.

It's not like I can just choose to decamp anywhere in the world that I fancy and demand the right to live and work there.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
19th Apr 2022, 12:31
I agree plans. This thread sits firmly in JB having been hijacked by casual racists and NIMBYs. I’m hoping none of them are currently serving.
read the posts.
not NIMBYism as I said. This, in the format it is being foisted on us should not happen in anyones backyard.

Relevance to Mil Aviation..? Pretty clear to me that ANY recently closed or pending closure base is fair game. You may even live next to one.

76fan
19th Apr 2022, 12:59
Spoken like a true DM reader 76fan - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom
Wrong again Crab. Have you seen the news today re Horse Guards Parade?

Finningley Boy
19th Apr 2022, 13:14
Just listening to Talk Radio, the host describes routinely taking a Taxi ride after work driven by a Bangladeshi chap. The man in question explained that his Bangladeshi community live cheek by jowel "within" the community. In other words, they live a polit existence, they get on with the people they interact with, but they don't mix. They are a community within a community, they don't go to the pub or broadly engage in the social activities of the host community, if I may put it that way. This is all very well, but it isn't integration and has already seen challenges in the past. The once was a Political agitator, Dr Khalim Siddiqui, who once wrote for the Guardian, when it was the Manchester Guardian. He constantly berated British people as racist and unaccommodating, be cause we wouldn't accept in part or whole, sharia law. He called it the Dictatorship of the majority dressed up as Democracy. His solution was a recognised Muslim state within the UK, with its own laws and customs.

'Kalim Siddiqui, a militant Muslim leader who convened the assembly in London Jan. 4-5, denounced what he called "the dictatorship of the majority dressed up as democracy."

His fiery inaugural speech to 155 members of the parliament at Kensington Town Hall, London, drew sharp rebukes from government ministers. Reactions by other British Muslims revealed a community sharply divided on claims of a need for their own parliamentary body.'

The quote, albeit, is from the Christian Science Monitor. But is none the less reliable as a result. I recall back in the early 1990s this chap was constantly on the attack, verbally, against western customs and liberal attitudes. I hope I'm dealing fact here and not some form of ignorant rabble rousing. I've tried to attach a link but it won't take so here's another quote from the text;



'Home Office Minister John Patten called Dr. Siddiqui's address "nonsense" and warned British Muslims that it came perilously close to being an incitement to racial hatred.

Siddiqui responded to Mr. Patten's criticism by accusing the minister of having a "condescending attitude" toward Muslims.
Moderate Muslim groups responded by saying that the so-called parliament's members did not represent their views.

But Mohammed Faridi, general secretary of the Association of Muslims in Britain, a moderate grouping, warned that the so-called parliament was well funded, well organized, and "unlikely to listen to the government or to the voice of reason, Muslim or otherwise."

He pointed out that Siddiqui, who was born in Pakistan and heads London's pro-Iranian Muslim Institute, came to prominence nearly three years ago when he endorsed the late Ayatollah Khomeini's fatwa (death sentence) on novelist Salman Rushdie. On that occasion he narrowly escaped prosecution for advocating murder.' I fully accept that Dr Siddiqui was an extremist but I was quite shocked at the time that someone should advance such a view and of course there are always moderating voices, but I think we should be more descerning about who the asylum seekers are. There may be no such thing as an illegal asylum seeker, but to split hairs, there is such a thing as a 'bogus asylum seeker'. I also accept that this thread should be moved to Jet Blast, but as always the debate widens and accusations of racism and being DM reader turn it into what it is, so I thought I'd provide smoe historic insight.

FB
PS The original article appeared on 8 January 1992.

Blue_Circle
19th Apr 2022, 15:27
In both instances, the attacker was a British citizen.
We have to be careful with regards defining all of these "visitors" as scum an dother highly emotive terms. The issue is they are all "unknowns" and if 99.8% of them are perfectly decent, law abiding young men who want to better themselves in life then that leaves the 0.2% (1 person) intent on doing harm to a member of the community. It only takes 1 to commit a murder, or a rape, or a serious assault. They have the freedom to do that and a freedom to disappear into the night, never to be found again.

The govt. is spending a lot of money on this, accommodation is available. I wonder how many homeless veterans would appreciate a safe, warm and facility-loaded place to stay FOC.

It's a good job we haven't always been such a cynical and unwelcoming bunch or neither I, my parents, nor their immigrant parents would have been here for decades minding our own business and paying taxes etc.

19th Apr 2022, 15:32
Wrong again Crab. Have you seen the news today re Horse Guards Parade? And in the mean time how many British nationals have been arrested for knife crime over the Easter weekend?

Look at the stats and see that white people commit the most serious crimes in this country - picking out some individuals (however bad their crimes might be) from immigrant or refugee groups is just biased and extrapolating the individuals crimes to the whole immigrant/refugee community is lazy and ignorant.

Baldeep Inminj
19th Apr 2022, 15:44
The Home Secretary just confirmed in the House that the Asylum centre at Linton-on-Ouse will open within 6 weeks.

Baldeep Inminj
19th Apr 2022, 15:55
That link doesn't support your argument at all.


Also, just for the record, I would be extremely annoyed if my little village were suddenly to become a refugee centre. I am of the opinion that if people have travelled through many safe countries to get to the UK, in search of safety, then they shouldn't be at all unhappy with Rwanda as a final destination. Safe, and plenty of opportunities.

It's not like I can just choose to decamp anywhere in the world that I fancy and demand the right to live and work there.

Perhaps you can explain why the UK grants asylum to hundreds of Rwandans each year as they flee persecution and violence? How do you justify sending people to a country that we consider as a valid case for granting asylum due to the violence there?

Foghorn Leghorn
19th Apr 2022, 16:48
Perhaps you can explain why the UK grants asylum to hundreds of Rwandans each year as they flee persecution and violence? How do you justify sending people to a country that we consider as a valid case for granting asylum due to the violence there?

Rwanda is classed as the 6th safest country in the world.

https://www.euronews.com/travel/amp/2022/01/24/rwanda-the-6th-safest-country-for-solo-travellers-new-survey-finds

Foghorn Leghorn
19th Apr 2022, 16:57
And in the mean time how many British nationals have been arrested for knife crime over the Easter weekend?

Look at the stats and see that white people commit the most serious crimes in this country - picking out some individuals (however bad their crimes might be) from immigrant or refugee groups is just biased and extrapolating the individuals crimes to the whole immigrant/refugee community is lazy and ignorant.

Crab, do you have any actual evidence to back up your assertions?

Foghorn Leghorn
19th Apr 2022, 17:24
Perhaps you can explain why the UK grants asylum to hundreds of Rwandans each year as they flee persecution and violence? How do you justify sending people to a country that we consider as a valid case for granting asylum due to the violence there?

It’s also worth nothing that the EU run a similar scheme and use Rwanda as a refugee centre.

https://ec.europa.eu/international-partnerships/news/rwanda-eu-provides-eu103-million-life-saving-refugee-support-measures_en?fbclid=IwAR0vYbEA-mAN3cz-8bKzYaRcugvzg6j4PosoN2oIMjlBq9TkpaS2Sm_ChgE

Finningley Boy
19th Apr 2022, 17:26
And in the mean time how many British nationals have been arrested for knife crime over the Easter weekend?

Look at the stats and see that white people commit the most serious crimes in this country - picking out some individuals (however bad their crimes might be) from immigrant or refugee groups is just biased and extrapolating the individuals crimes to the whole immigrant/refugee community is lazy and ignorant.
As the indigenous population, a description I use advisedly, still amounts to about 87% of the overall population, most of which reside in the more rural towns and cities, I would expect that the majority of crimes would be commited from within that sizeable number. The knife crime you're referring to is largely the blight of the metropolis, London, Manchester, Birmingham etc. As for whether these crimes are commited by what proportion of white people or other folk, is always withheld when knife crime is reported anew. I can only safely take guess that it is essentially adolescent boys/men who re involved and usually gang related. I recall the Met Commissioner, Sir Paul Condon, back in 1994/5 getting into hot water with the press because he revealed who was disproportionately responsible for the street crime statisitics for Greater London.

FB

Foghorn Leghorn
19th Apr 2022, 17:31
As the indigenous population, a description I use advisedly, still amounts to about 87% of the overall population, most of which reside in the more rural towns and cities, I would expect that the majority of crimes would be commited from within that sizeable number. The knife crime you're referring to is largely the blight of the metropolis, London, Manchester, Birmingham etc. As for whether these crimes are commited by what proportion of white people or other folk, is always withheld when knife crime is reported anew. I can only safely take guess that it is essentially adolescent boys/men who re involved and usually gang related. I recall the Met Commissioner, Sir Paul Condon, back in 1994/5 getting into hot water with the press because he revealed who was disproportionately responsible for the street crime statisitics for Greater London.

FB

This may shed some light?

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latest

This may also help provide information?

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/ethnicity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-statistics-2020/ethnicity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2020

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
19th Apr 2022, 17:41
It's a good job we haven't always been such a cynical and unwelcoming bunch or neither I, my parents, nor their immigrant parents would have been here for decades minding our own business and paying taxes etc.
I think you may misunderstand Blue_Circle. This is not a case of being unwelcoming at all. We are here in a community of around 1000 people, isolated and with very little to "entertain" guests and we are about to be inundated, not with families, but with 500+ single males (single as in lone travellers) of questionable and unknown background. I am sure you would be as equally upset if 500 Geordie, Scouse, Brummie males were over your back fence.

You give the impression that your family came here as a family and by normal means. That is NOT what is happening at Linton.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
19th Apr 2022, 17:43
The Home Secretary just confirmed in the House that the Asylum centre at Linton-on-Ouse will open within 6 weeks.
Do you have a link to the statement please? I cannot find mention of the "6 weeks" aspect. Just an "opening shortly" statement.

TA
SWB

stevef
19th Apr 2022, 19:07
Just listening to Talk Radio, the host describes routinely taking a Taxi ride after work driven by a Bangladeshi chap. The man in question explained that his Bangladeshi community live cheek by jowl "within" the community. In other words, they live a polite existence, they get on with the people they interact with, but they don't mix. They are a community within a community, they don't go to the pub or broadly engage in the social activities of the host community, if I may put it that way. This is all very well, but it isn't integration and has already seen challenges in the past.

Hmmm - from experience that could equally apply to many British expat 'enclaves' in Africa and Spain. Some have lived in their host countries for years and made little or no effort to learn the local language. Their insular little circles are often lubricated by gossip, back-stabbing and affairs that wouldn't be out of place in a TV soap opera.

Finningley Boy
19th Apr 2022, 19:23
Hmmm - from experience that could equally apply to many British expat 'enclaves' in Africa and Spain. Some have lived in their host countries for years and made little or no effort to learn the local language. Their insular little circles are often lubricated by gossip, back-stabbing and affairs that wouldn't be out of place in a TV soap opera.
And what is their status in these countries? Are they responsible for any level of crime or just not learning to speak the language? Don't misunderstand me, I think these people, if they aim to stay where they are, should do more to integrate, at least learn the language. But doesn't this, again, prove the point about local communities and how people from without fit in? I'm not going to defend a bunch of rich ex-pats who's stand-offishness puts a barrier between them and the people they have chosen to live among? Somehow, I think their circumstances are different again.

FB

Baldeep Inminj
19th Apr 2022, 19:31
I do not have a link unfortunately. I was watching parliament live and she was asked if she could confirm whetyher the Asylum Centre at the former RAF linton on Ouse would be happening. She replied that it would, and that it would happen within 6 weeks.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
19th Apr 2022, 20:32
I do not have a link unfortunately. I was watching parliament live and she was asked if she could confirm whetyher the Asylum Centre at the former RAF linton on Ouse would be happening. She replied that it would, and that it would happen within 6 weeks.
Thanks for looking. I have found hansard from today and it just says "opening shortly". Could be a misquote in Hansard (unusual) but have heard the 6 weeks mentioned from 3 sources now but cannot find the root.


In other news from another site...

A centre was set up in a hotel [Rivenhall Hotel, Witham] Priti Patel's constituency . This centre was quickly closed.
A Home Office statement said:
"Asylum seekers should be placed in urban areas which encompass a number of cities or towns so that they can access support easier.""This error was the result of operational failures where the correct policy and procedures were not followed. The Home Office has a statutory obligation to provide asylum seekers who would otherwise be destitute with accommodation. But they should be placed in major conurbations wherever possible so that appropriate support and services can be more readily provided. As this is not the case in this instance, alternative accommodation provision has since been sought in accordance with the Immigration Asylum Act 1999 and the Asylum Support Regulations 2000. A full review of this operation is now being conducted."

The Home Office said there was "a failure to recognise that Rivenhall was not in a major conurbation, and a failure to ensure that appropriate engagement had taken place with council officials and other service providers".


So I do wonder how RAF Linton on Ouse meets the criteria. Oh, hang on, Priti Patel doesn't reside here.

mopardave
19th Apr 2022, 21:53
I don't post much, but I am dismayed by some of the comments on this thread and cant see the relevance of this subject to this forum to be honest.
Because this is a recently closed RAF base. Given recent world events, I would have thought that the ability to disperse assets or cope with a possible surge in training makes it a very relevant subject.........the fact that it's being turned into a reception centre for people who have no desire to fully integrate, will bite the hand that feeds (in a heart beat) and who live life by a different code, just compounds my incredulity. If you want to call that NIMBYism, xenophobia or racism, knock yourselves out..........but I really would like to bet that all of those who are getting that warm fuzzy feeling from their "good samaritan" sanctimony, would be devastated if they owned a property that had just tanked in value........I mean, Devon must have its fair share of these facilities, right???? I'll ask the question again........how many of you "good samaritans" have had direct dealings in this country with people who are contemptuous and hostile towards this country and like it or not, a predominantly Christian way of life??? Anyhow, once more with feeling......would it not make more sense to keep this asset under care and maintenance?

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
19th Apr 2022, 22:34
I wonder how many pilots/navs/air trafficers and a whole swathe of mil personnel, whilst moving around the world, bought property next to a "home base" to get on the property ladder. Linton is not unique, there is a very large number of retired personnel here, and rental homes owned by currently serving personnel who just happen to be posted elsewhere.

Linton can hold but a small fraction of the current and expected loading, and Priti Patel has made it clear that hotel accommodation is too costly. She has her sights on other Defence Estate properties. Linton is the experiment where the end result has already been determined (it will go ahead no matter what) and if you live within 5 miles of a red edged road sign pointing towards your rural idyll, don't be overly surprised when you wake up to the same news we did.
Advantage you have, is you have been fore-warned.

By all means hide this away in Jet Blast, bury your heads in the sand if you want, but we won't be the last to be seriously affected.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
19th Apr 2022, 22:57
I have now found the source of the 6-week comment.

live in six weeks

This stinks. Our MP must have know for quite a while. Did he choose to keep quiet, or was he told to keep quiet?

spekesoftly
20th Apr 2022, 11:09
SATCOS WB

Also mentioned in that clip is that work and development has been ongoing for several months. Have you noticed any contractors' vehicles etc visiting the site?

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
20th Apr 2022, 12:43
SATCOS WB

Also mentioned in that clip is that work and development has been ongoing for several months. Have you noticed any contractors' vehicles etc visiting the site?
Not that I have noticed, but I am off main route.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
20th Apr 2022, 18:36
Well, it gets worse (if that could be at all possible). The centre is for 1500 males, not the 500 first implied.

Local MP met with Priti Patel this afternoon and submitted this letter. Here he is steering us to a judicial review. Anyone have any experience in this field?

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1201x1697/kevin_holinrake_1_2b635fda8e6366b7a194ac436bb797f3eaa2023d.j pg
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mopardave
20th Apr 2022, 22:00
Funny how a similar scheme was deemed unsuitable in Ms Patel's constituency but that Linton IS suitable, when in actual fact, it is even more "remote"! Now THAT is NIMBYism writ large, not to mention breathtaking hypocrisy. 1500 young single males wandering freely.......no local police presence.......what could possibly go wrong! Why can't it be a secure facility at the very least? This is going to end in tears.

Cyberhacker
21st Apr 2022, 06:56
As a former Linton pad-brat (and with contacts still in the area) the locals unequivocally hated the RAF being there...
... right up until it was announced that the Station was closing completely, and then it became the end of the world.


Frankly, I'd hope when the current plans are finished, they build a great-big ****-off Amazon distribution centre and a supermarket regional depot, plus a few thousand houses, on the airfield, just to piss off the locals.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
21st Apr 2022, 07:07
As a former Linton pad-brat (and with contacts still in the area) the locals unequivocally hated the RAF being there...
... right up until it was announced that the Station was closing completely, and then it became the end of the world.


Frankly, I'd hope when the current plans are finished, they build a great-big ****-off Amazon distribution centre and a supermarket regional depot, plus a few thousand houses, on the airfield, just to piss off the locals.
Thanks for that informed input.

Having served at linton and being a resident in the area for 20+ years I suspect that it was just you that the locals hated.

Tha RAF has been welcome here since the base was built.

21st Apr 2022, 10:48
Nice to see you are willing to listen to other points of view/lived experiences..............

Darkmouse
21st Apr 2022, 11:12
Nice to see you are willing to listen to other points of view/lived experiences..............

Hah. Says the man not affected by the plans, who can't understand the 'xenophobic' objections of those who actually live there.

I do enjoy Pprune for the often contrary views of forumites! No doubt I'll catch myself out one day too.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
21st Apr 2022, 11:13
Nice to see you are willing to listen to other points of view/lived experiences..............
Always willing to listen to those who have a valid input. But...

Exactly how is this

Frankly, I'd hope when the current plans are finished, they build a great-big ****-off Amazon distribution centre and a supermarket regional depot, plus a few thousand houses, on the airfield, just to piss off the locals.

worth listening to?

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
21st Apr 2022, 11:32
SATCOS WB

Also mentioned in that clip is that work and development has been ongoing for several months. Have you noticed any contractors' vehicles etc visiting the site?
Spoke to an on-base local this morning. Apparently Harris fencing is being erected in an area on camp around the blocks and encompassing the main car park and maple-leaf club. All block kitchens are under refurb, cookers being removed and microwaves installed etc.

Could someone with more knowledge on the subject say at what point in an asylum seeking process would an individual be given free-reign to wander around unhindered?
The govt. site indicates these men are "in the process of gaining right to remain" so to me that means it has not yet been finalized or granted, and could yet be rejected. So why are they free to roam?

Home Office "Thank you for applying for asylum here in the UK, whilst we conduct background checks, please don't wander too far from Linton"

2 months later by telephone:

Home Office : " I 'm sorry but your application has been rejected due to your fringe involvement with radical groups in the middle east. ...hello....hello...hello" - Seems he hung up.

21st Apr 2022, 11:57
Hah. Says the man not affected by the plans, who can't understand the 'xenophobic' objections of those who actually live there. Actually I can sympathise with those at Linton - the letter from the MP makes a sound case without resorting to scaremongering or cherry picking individual immigrants crimes.

The plan for Linton is massively flawed as is Patel's whole immigration policy - I think those in the area are right to object but it should be for the right reasons and not by 'echo-chamber' comments reflecting the lazy end of the intellectual argument.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
21st Apr 2022, 12:25
Actually I can sympathise with those at Linton - the letter from the MP makes a sound case without resorting to scaremongering or cherry picking individual immigrants crimes.

The plan for Linton is massively flawed as is Patel's whole immigration policy - I think those in the area are right to object but it should be for the right reasons and not by 'echo-chamber' comments reflecting the lazy end of the intellectual argument.

Without doubt Crab, the main problems stem from the complete "out of the blue" aspect to this, an MP who assures us he knew nothing of it, and the complete paucity of hard information other than:

- Upwards of 500 single males (this has now increased to 1500).
- No start date. This has now been clarified as within the next 6 weeks.
- suggestion that he "guests" were already processed and awaiting allocation. Clarified to they are still in the process and nothing has been decided as though their future.
-The secrecy and the way the locals have been treated has generated the fear.
- the area is not renowned for crime, not had anything serious in my tenure here. Similar sites elsewhere have seen crime rise and the 16 or so listed above are serious ones that the govt reassure us won't happen.
So why any surprise that people think the worst.

This is devastating for such a small community who will have a migrant population ratio of around 3:2 !
Furthermore it actually goes against Home Office's own guidance.

21st Apr 2022, 13:00
I'm just glad I didn't vote for them - everything this Govt does is tainted and poorly thought out - comes from the top I'm afraid and Patel is only in the job because she will support everything BJ says.

I hope you get this turned around but it seems to be a fait accompli if the work has already started.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
21st Apr 2022, 13:44
I'm just glad I didn't vote for them - everything this Govt does is tainted and poorly thought out - comes from the top I'm afraid and Patel is only in the job because she will support everything BJ says.

I hope you get this turned around but it seems to be a fait accompli if the work has already started.

Yes, you're not wrong I fear. I have been working with Westminster and Scottish Government on other issues for many years now. The norm is they decide what they want to do and do it irrespective of the outcome and impact on us taxpayers and voters.

The biggest problem we face in getting a robust message across is that the whole issue is getting swamped by the Rwanda deal. Local press give one or two lines to Linton and then six paragraphs about Rwanda and the government handling of it. All we can do is make sure everyone who has an interest in this, or has a financial dog in the race living next to a military base (or former military base) realises that Linton is not going to be the first and last such centre.
I personally wouldn't plan on moving near somewhere pencilled in for closure, and if I had a house near to anywhere on the list I would be selling up now.

MPN11
21st Apr 2022, 14:14
Home Office "Thank you for applying for asylum here in the UK, whilst we conduct background checks, please don't wander too far from Linton"

2 months later by telephone:

Home Office : " I 'm sorry but your application has been rejected due to your fringe involvement with radical groups in the middle east. ...hello....hello...hello" - Seems he hung up. Isn’t that the way it has worked for ages? Illegals/overstayers are discovered, told to report to officials on Tuesday … and are never seen again. That’s why UK is awash with Illegals.

Unless there’s somewhere suitable to put/confine them until the grindingly slow legal and administrative processes are complete, there are few other options. Indeed, one might just ignore Immigration, passports etc. completely, and just have an open door. Which is almost what UK has already, despite the efforts of the Home Office and Border Farce.

Do I have an answer? Certainly not, as I don’t have access to all the underlying legal and admin issues … including Human Rights and all the other bits of string that tie everyone’s hands in the overall scenario. But “Asylum Centre Linton” doesn’t strike me as a good answer if those sent there are ‘free range’.

N707ZS
21st Apr 2022, 14:44
Perhaps we should set them busy re-building the stashed Tucano's.

aw ditor
21st Apr 2022, 15:09
Lots of precedents. RAF Oakington was used as a similar "site" many years ago. Much money spent on upgrades by the Home Office to make it habitable'. Now demolished to provde hardcore for the new town of Northstowe .

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
21st Apr 2022, 15:10
Perhaps we should set them busy re-building the stashed Tucano's.

Nah, we have a village raft race for the Jubilee celebrations, they'll be busy preparing for that.

Ninthace
21st Apr 2022, 15:22
Nah, we have a village raft race for the Jubilee celebrations, they'll be busy preparing for that.
Probably nobody better qualified!

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
21st Apr 2022, 23:48
Spoke with Home Office reps this evening after the LoO meeting.

Yes, there are at least 10 other sites being looked at.
A couple have been discounted...(for now)
1 uses buildings for US Special Forces training
1 has explosives still stored there
1 is not military but would need "decontaminating".

Any guesses as to where these could be?

A positive meeting but, as I never trust politicians, I really cannot see this plan changing. The local MP says he is now fighting the idea with us, but he knew about this two weeks before the news media breaking the story to us.

Priti Patel has her sights on No.10. She is dangerouly ambitious and will ride rough-shod over anyone who opposes her (bullying claims are not unfounded)
Putting these centres in low population areas means fewer lost votes, and a bigger gain from supporters in the south who don't have to have them on their doorstep.

22nd Apr 2022, 09:28
I would think one of those sites might be Woodbridge in Suffolk.

Could be the last?
22nd Apr 2022, 19:23
I wonder if one of the 10 sites is RAF Scampton? Noticed activity on and around the base, more importantly, DIO have been adamant that everyone will be off site by 31 Dec!!

Finningley Boy
23rd Apr 2022, 05:57
I wonder if one of the 10 sites is RAF Scampton? Noticed activity on and around the base, more importantly, DIO have been adamant that everyone will be off site by 31 Dec!!
Isn't Scampton a little on the preservation side in terms of listed Buildings, graves etc. Mind you, I wouldn't put anything past our elected August bodies and civil servants. If they did decide to even look once before discarding the notion of doing any such thing with Scampton, regardless of the depth of sympathy felt for refugees, asylum seekers et al, it would spell the end for this country in terms of our leaders' regard for historic imperative, national integrity, character and identity.

FB

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
23rd Apr 2022, 11:03
They wouldn't give a crap about our heritage. They don't even care about our safety. The Home Office admitted that they had not carried out a risk assessment for villager safety, everything they have done is for the safety and comfort of the guests.
I have spoken to someone in CT and they are genuinely concerned about sleeper units. 1500 males at anyone time with a potential 6000 per year turn over through the gates is bloody scary. The women here are petrified, and the ex service and serving personnel ae not far down that route either.

Be warned, it IS coming to an unsecure venue near you.

dctyke
23rd Apr 2022, 12:08
Apparently work has been going on a Linton for some time including internal security fencing around the sgts mess area.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
23rd Apr 2022, 15:40
Apparently work has been going on a Linton for some time including internal security fencing around the sgts mess area.
Apparently so. At tge meeting t'other night one of the lads there was a pilot with a young family and they were stiil inside the wire. He was genuinely concerned about his, and his family's safety.

cynicalint
23rd Apr 2022, 18:51
This is not a case of Nimbyism, it MUST be a case of NIMCYism - Not in My Country! Screen for genuine refugees and send the rest back to the safety of France, whence they came!

squidie
23rd Apr 2022, 23:01
Been there a few times, flew with the VGS there and also used the shooting range too. I also remember it being a good LARS as well during my PPL days.

24th Apr 2022, 07:10
Strange how the immigration issues have got worse since Brexit - anyone would think it had been a total failure to deliver.

Krystal n chips
24th Apr 2022, 09:32
And now a mention in MSM, albeit the Guardian isn't usually the most favoured outlet..for some.

‘Guantánamo-on-Ouse’ plans to place 1,500 asylum seekers in Yorkshire village | Immigration and asylum | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/24/guantanamo-on-ouse-plans-to-place-1500-asylum-seekers-in-yorkshire-village)

N707ZS
24th Apr 2022, 15:55
Wonder where they plan to get the staff from to run the camp.

cynicalint
24th Apr 2022, 16:17
Wonder where they plan to get the staff from to run the camp.
Self-supporting enterprise maybe?

langleybaston
24th Apr 2022, 19:08
Not a chance .......................... these young men do not come here to WORK, just a freebie.

Ninthace
24th Apr 2022, 19:42
Not a chance .......................... these young men do not come here to WORK, just a freebie.
I thought that is what economic migrants did. Came looking for work to earn a living.

mopardave
24th Apr 2022, 20:12
I thought that is what economic migrants did. Came looking for work to earn a living.
Well there's something drawing them to these shores and I don't think it's the prospect of meaningful employment! Could it be an overly tolerant culture that bends over backwards to be accommodating....happy to accept that they'll throw our generosity back in our faces at some point because they're determined that we should follow their "beliefs"!

24th Apr 2022, 20:39
Well there's something drawing them to these shores and I don't think it's the prospect of meaningful employment! Do you have any evidence to back that up? The idea of a freebie on the state is a home-grown one.

Perhaps they just want to be in a place where they are not persecuted and have a chance to make a life - gain an education denied to them in their own country and better themselves with a good job. Is that so hard to grasp?

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
24th Apr 2022, 20:40
Guantanamo on Ouse. Really?
At least at Guantanamo they knew who the occupants were, and they were kept under lock and key.

Some ar ecoming here with one aim, and one aim only. To cause death and destruction so as to accelerate their meeting with the promised virgins. CT are on the case and genuinely concerned; Home Office running the centres couldn't care less.

24th Apr 2022, 20:43
What actual percentage are terrorists?

mopardave
24th Apr 2022, 21:06
Do you have any evidence to back that up? The idea of a freebie on the state is a home-grown one.

Perhaps they just want to be in a place where they are not persecuted and have a chance to make a life - gain an education denied to them in their own country and better themselves with a good job. Is that so hard to grasp?
Uncontrolled immigration by young men who have in many cases deliberately destroyed their identity papers are a threat to this country and its inhabitants. Is that so hard to grasp?

langleybaston
24th Apr 2022, 22:04
Do you have any evidence to back that up? The idea of a freebie on the state is a home-grown one.

Perhaps they just want to be in a place where they are not persecuted and have a chance to make a life - gain an education denied to them in their own country and better themselves with a good job. Is that so hard to grasp?
Not difficult to grasp, just impossible to believe.

Ninthace
24th Apr 2022, 23:10
Not difficult to grasp, just impossible to believe.
You could let them prove it.

staircase
25th Apr 2022, 06:33
As an ex Linton ‘hand’, I was drawn to this post. I make no comment on what has been already posted but would like to recount a conversation that I had with a waiter in a hotel in Banjul, all be it just before I retired 12 years ago.

He asked me what England was like, and how much did people earn. I told him that as a barman he could expect to get the minimum wage, which the government had set at about $10 per hour. I also told him it was cold and wet!

His eyes lit up and he exclaimed that he was amazed, and that on that sort of money he could live like a millionaire. I tried to disillusion him, and quoted the amount of tax he would pay, the price of a pint of beer, the cost of accommodation and the price of a loaf of bread.

He said that he did not believe me. He said that we Europeans just told them that to put them off going. He had seen television programmes and films and he knew how we lived. What I had just said was lies.

Since then he would now have access to the likes of youtube, and the internet so I doubt that his opinions have changed.

Leaving the horrors of persecution is one thing, but I feel that a lot of the ‘economic migrants’ have a very distorted view of what to expect when they get to Britain.

25th Apr 2022, 08:50
Uncontrolled immigration by young men who have in many cases deliberately destroyed their identity papers are a threat to this country and its inhabitants. Is that so hard to grasp? Again, any numbers to back that up or is it regurgitated DM headlines?

Bob Viking
25th Apr 2022, 10:33
I would say people on both sides of the argument need to make some concessions.

Not all the young men are going to be terrorists and rapists. But they’re unlikely to all be choirboys either.

As Jack Reacher always says, hope for the best, plan for the worst.

BV

Courtney Mil
25th Apr 2022, 20:34
So much for military aviation. This has turned into the Daily Express Online comments section. There must be a better place to fight about immigrants and to air political prejudices. This was a great sanctuary from this crap where we could discuss issues about aeroplanes and flying and associated military matters. Just because this thread has the name Linton-on-Ouse in the header, does not make any of this relevant to this board.

Senior Pilot
25th Apr 2022, 21:00
So much for military aviation. This has turned into the Daily Express Online comments section. There must be a better place to fight about immigrants and to air political prejudices. This was a great sanctuary from this crap where we could discuss issues about aeroplanes and flying and associated military matters. Just because this thread has the name Linton-on-Ouse in the header, does not make any of this relevant to this board.

The original latitude given the discussion has morphed into a number of posts not even worthy of JetBlast.

Time for bed, said Zebedee.