foreign ATPL and Qantas or Virgin applications?

[Skippy69]

Is it a steadfast rule that one must complete Aus ATPL subjects to apply to these legacy carriers? What if I already have a foreign ATPL? Any info?

[Kenny]

Is it a steadfast rule that one must complete Aus ATPL subjects to apply to these legacy carriers? What if I already have a foreign ATPL? Any info?

You’ll have to have a CASA ATPL.

[Capt Fathom]

You’ll have to have a CASA ATPL.

Or a Aus CPL plus Aus ATPL subjects.

[krismiler]

1989 would have been the last time pilots with foreign licences were considered. There are so many applicants with local tickets that they won't even look at someone who needs to do a conversion.

[stillcallozhome]

As stated, casa atpl required. All atpl subjects NOT required.

[PoppaJo]

What legacy are you thinking about? Perth or Darwin based?

Virgin has a long list they need to draw upon for the rest of this decade. Jetstar has generally only hired locals coming from certain turboprop operators. They have opened applications for externals and type rated crews for the first time the other week, however you have a hundred odd Tiger Airbus drivers on the sidelines to compete against. Pretty clear who they are targeting with that move. Qantas isn’t even worth mentioning.

The pathway into airlines is this country will still be the same for a while yet, locals, and GA or Cadet schemes.

[Lookleft]

Why would a "legacy" carrier process your application if you only had a foreign ATPL? Ask yourself would a legacy carrier from the UK, EU or the USA process an application from an Australian ATPL?

[Skippy69]

No what I meant was obviously a Casa ATPL, but one that was converted- so none of those 7 subjects on order to obtain.
ie- one has an American ATP and then converts to a CASA ATPL. can he/she apply without aus subjects?

[Lookleft]

I will give you a real life scenario that might answer your question. Currently at a certain Australian LCC there are quite a few pilots who did their cadetship in NZ and were granted an NZ CPL and had completed the NZ ATPL theory subjects. If they want to be granted an Aus ATPL they need to do a flight test and complete the Aus ATPL theory subjects. If however they go back to NZ and complete an NZ ATPL flight test they will be granted an NZ ATPL which could then be converted to an Aus ATPL without having to do the Aus ATPL theory subjects.

[PPRuNeUser0184]

A quick search on the Qantas website produced this.

Seems reasonably black and white to me. As long as you have the CASA ATPL you’re good to go. I know of plenty of pilots in QF who have converted their foreign ATPLs to CASA to get the job.


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[Ollie Onion]

I was offered a Job at Jetstar Australia in 2009 with only a JAR ATPL on the understanding I would convert the licence by my start date. Virgin at the time said if I had a converted CASA ATPL then I would also need to sit ALL ATPL subjects as they require passes in ALL Australian exams, QANTAS did not have that requirement and would accept a CASA ATPL based on a foreign licence.

[Kenny]

I was offered a Job at Jetstar Australia in 2009 with only a JAR ATPL on the understanding I would convert the licence by my start date. Virgin at the time said if I had a converted CASA ATPL then I would also need to sit ALL ATPL subjects as they require passes in ALL Australian exams, QANTAS did not have that requirement and would accept a CASA ATPL based on a foreign licence.

Which is odd because I started with Virgin in 2010 having converted my FAA ATP to a CASA ATPL. Although I had about 7000 hours and around 2000 PIC on CRJ’s, which might have made a difference.

[Icarus2001]

No what I meant was obviously a Casa ATPL, but one that was converted- so none of those 7 subjects on order to obtain.
ie- one has an American ATP and then converts to a CASA ATPL. can he/she apply without aus subjects? No problem if you HOLD a CASA ATPL. How you got it is of less interest.

[Ollie Onion]

Which is odd because I started with Virgin in 2010 having converted my FAA ATP to a CASA ATPL. Although I had about 7000 hours and around 2000 PIC on CRJ’s, which might have made a difference.
;-) Might have just been a nice way of telling me to piss off!

[Kenny]

;-) Might have just been a nice way of telling me to piss off!

Possibly but then they did you a favour. Other than the people, I’m glad I got out in 2015.