View Full Version : U.K. CPL/IR issued in 2021 to EASA 2021/273
As I read EU directive 2020/273, if you have a U.K. CPL/IR issued after 1st Jan 2021 which you later want to convert to EASA, you have to:
Pass all 14 ATPL exam
Do a CPL course of 20 hours if you have less than 249 hours total time.
Do an IR of 15 hours plus another 5 hours for an ME/IR
Pass CPL and IR Skill test.
Seems that if you did a U.K. CPL /IR course last year then it is as much use as a chocolate teapot, since up to the end of 2022 those have an EASA CPL/IR can just send in paperwork and get the UK CPL/IR from the CAA!
Are there actually any jobs out there for which a holder of such a CT qualification could actually apply for?
Contact Approach
30th Jan 2022, 19:26
Sadly the authorities are unable to see eye to eye at present so everyone has to suffer needlessly. Things will change again after 2022 as the UK will be taking a hardline stance on the matter also meaning if you do EASA training then you have to go through the full conversion to regain a UK licence. It comes down to either completing both sets of exams / training for both UK and EASA or just sticking with the the one where you have the right to work.
rudestuff
31st Jan 2022, 08:55
The CAA licence is pretty useful for certain things.
For example: working for a UK airline.
excrab
31st Jan 2022, 10:03
The CAA licence is pretty useful for certain things.
For example: working for a UK airline.
Or indeed for a U.K. air taxi operator, business jet operator, aerial work operator (if you can find one) or even teaching in a commercial or PPL school to build hours, or for looking for jobs abroad in possibly Africa or Asia when the job market picks up. In other words the job search for a new U.K. CPL holder is the same as it was for those who qualified before EASA ever happened….
rudestuff
1st Feb 2022, 07:33
A lot of people seem to be having a problem accepting/understanding that the UK is not in EASA anymore. If you're a UK citizen it's now a foreign licence. Unfortunately for some reason a lot of UK people still think they need one, or that an EASA licence is somehow 'better'. Which it is - if you're a European resident. Just like a CASA licence is better if you're an Australian resident. Get the licence you need.
Alex Whittingham
1st Feb 2022, 18:02
yes, but.. Ryanair are asking for EASA licences even for UK residents. The optimum plan A for UK residents would seem to be get both licences. Keep your options open.
Yes that is the point Alex. Ryanair are looking for 1,000 pilots this year, according to the latest media reports. Maybe 20 to 25% of their ops are in the U.K.? So proportionally they must be looking for 200 or so U.K. nationals, since the U.K. labour market is ringfenced from anyone from the EU unless they have pre-settled status.
All of these applicants would need an EASA licence to even apply.
What is the situation with TUI and EZY? They also have operations in the EU. Do they also require an EASA licence?
the U.K. has kept the EASA system, with all its problems, yet it is not recognised by EASA. Conversely the U.K. will recognise in the other direction, at least until the end of 2022.
I would suggest that have spent a large chunk of money getting qualified, the only real return is a job with an airline. Instructing, air taxi etc are too insecure and poorly paid to provide such a return. Doing so to end up in Africa and Asia ? Hmmm…. Would a Gap year be a cheaper way to do this?
Maintains two versions of the same thing is stupid. At least the CAA could drastically slim down the mass of theory trivia, and adapt ICAO standards for IR duration, for example. And not allow “integrated” courses where all theory is taken first and then all the flying, if there is no reciprocal recognition by EASA. Which there will never be.
deltahotel
2nd Feb 2022, 19:43
Trying to follow this (having gone uk to IAA and now both), does that mean that RYR are not planning G reg ac? Because if they do then after 2022 they will need uk licence holders and end 2022 will come round all too quick. If they are planning all non uk reg then not sure how that would work for uk bases???
Contact Approach
3rd Feb 2022, 13:40
It will be interesting to see what Ryanair are forced to do. It would appear to me that they would need to shift a fair few aircraft onto the G-reg to continue operating out of the UK as much as they currently do, certainly after 2022 anyways. This highlights the stupidity we find ourselves in, the best thing the UK could do would be to rejoin EASA. But that would be too simple, wouldn’t it?
Brian Pern
3rd Feb 2022, 16:30
They could close the UK bases, move the first flight of the day into the UK, rather than out. No need to move the Training, Sim and Maintenance. It would save them a lot of money and potential headaches with crew only operating on one AOC as it is at the moment with Buzz, UK and DAC
Contact Approach
3rd Feb 2022, 16:43
That sounds very plausible. The UK CAA will be left high and dry and frankly the UK licence will cease to be worth the paper it’s printed on. If were mad enough to start training now I’d opt to do both as the EASA licence is worth far more than the UK one. There are very few options for UK guys now with low hours, if any at all really.
Brian Pern
3rd Feb 2022, 17:15
What is the situation with TUI and EZY? They also have operations in the EU. Do they also require an EASA licence?
Yes they do. They both have European AOC's so require EASA licences in their respective countries. Just as Wizz have some G reg aircraft
portsharbourflyer
3rd Feb 2022, 17:19
Contact what absolute nonsense.
An EASA license without the right to work in the EU is a waste of time. A UK National needs a UK license to fly on the G Reg from 2022.
Wizz Air UK, Easyjet UK, TUI UK, Jet 2, Logan Air. The revised Flybe all G Reg fleets. All needs a UK part fcl license. The only place a UK national can use an EASA license is Ryanair at UK and Irish bases only. Even when in EASA EU airlines rarely employed UK nationals, the majority of UK pilots working in the EU were doing so at Ryanair and Easyjet bases but rarely ever working direct for a national EU carrier.
There is the odd biz jet job that needs an EASA license.
Africa, Asia and the middle East will still accept the UK license.
There were always far more EU nationals flying for UK carriers than UK nationals flying for EU carriers. So after 2022 UK nationals will no longer be competing against EU nationals for jobs on the G Reg, it may actually improve the UK nationals job prospect. The biggest issue we have now for recruitment is Easyjet will only be recruiting mpls from CAE for FO positions and there will be little recruitment from other sources.
“The only place that you can use an EASA licence in the U.K. is Ryanair”
However, they are the only ones who seem to be recruiting……..