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Flex88
24th Jan 2022, 21:14
If you don't have one, you're likely too late mate :rolleyes:
The fat lady's been singing loudly and baritone for 2 years now and if you read news papers at all, the writing's no longer on the wall but plastered on every billboard in the "once" independent territory of Hong Kong.. Cathay, as an airline, has no routes, no customers, no SAR Government (joke) with a backbone or capable of providing "fundamental" support and what's worse, no enthusiastic or even half ass interested employees.. Only office seat warmers keeping their online shopping skills honed.. Cut their office internet access and the place would empty in a day with their last 2 computer tasks being click "buy now" and the construction and printing of an up to date resume..
Work replacing the giant menacing Lions at the front entrance with more apropos Paper mâché Hamsters should be the Jellyfish's next order of business. One of the few he's likely competent to perform..

https://www.wsj.com/articles/foreign-executives-in-isolated-hong-kong-head-for-exit-sick-of-zero-covid-curbs-11642950280

Airblast
25th Jan 2022, 01:31
You having a bad day, Flex?

Gnadenburg
25th Jan 2022, 01:40
Firstly I sympathise with CX pilots. But why leave? I’d be milking it til it ended. If you leave early you may miss a generous redundancy. Think my last year at KA approached 4 mil for a few hundred hours when you included the payout. That’s October 2019 to October 2020.

Busbuoy
25th Jan 2022, 01:51
.....my last year at KA approached 4 mil for a few hundred hours when you included the payout.

Noice! More than we were able to force the thieving bastables to give us.

Sam Ting Wong
25th Jan 2022, 05:38
2010 I will retire with 55
2011 I am seriously looking at other options
2012 If I can't get a base I just quit
2013 I just need my provident fund to be taxed in HK, then I am gone
2014 I am very seriously looking at other options
2015 I will pull the plug the moment the housing is gone
2016 My family is happy here
2017 I just commute for another year or two, my family is back in Oz
2018 I would never work under COS18
2019 I don't understand guys without an exit strategy
2020 I am now very seriously looking at other options
2021 I don't know how the guys on the freighter do it, I would quit if I was them
2022 I love flying the 747, it's a great machine. But closed loop, no way!


tbc

Kurtis Chukle Willis
25th Jan 2022, 07:57
....and that is why many will find it near impossible to leave or may never leave...... just one more year, just a few more Dollars and I will be done. Heard it my entire career at Cathay. You have become institutionalized, with a massive fear of the unknown....probably rightfully so.
I left end 2020 after 20+ years, didn't take their ****ty deal. I signed a contract when I joined for pay that up until "sign or your fired" compensated for the harsh reality of working for Cathay Pacific. CX is not really that different from any large corporation, you either get involved....jump on the gravy train so to say, or you take your paycheck and don't give a damn. The second option is no longer viable. The world is starting to move on fast, in case you haven't noticed Hong Kong is not. The city was in trouble prior to Covid, what's changed since then? asking for a friend... The issues at play are bigger than you, bigger than CX and bigger than that sycophantic monkey Curry L@m. Time is not infinite, do yourself and your loved ones a favour and move on asap, its worth the risk. Good luck to you all.

Piet Lood
25th Jan 2022, 13:11
2010 I will retire with 55
2011 I am seriously looking at other options
2012 If I can't get a base I just quit
2013 I just need my provident fund to be taxed in HK, then I am gone
2014 I am very seriously looking at other options
2015 I will pull the plug the moment the housing is gone
2016 My family is happy here
2017 I just commute for another year or two, my family is back in Oz
2018 I would never work under COS18
2019 I don't understand guys without an exit strategy
2020 I am now very seriously looking at other options
2021 I don't know how the guys on the freighter do it, I would quit if I was them
2022 I love flying the 747, it's a great machine. But closed loop, no way!


tbc

STW!!!!😢😢😢
Where have you been? I missed you so much!
I’ve got 4 additions for you:
-I just need to get my oldest through highschool
-I just need to get my youngest through highschool
-I just need to get my oldest through Uni
-I just need to get my youngest through Uni

Oasis
25th Jan 2022, 18:03
-Just got divorced, need more money for retirement and my wife's boyfriend.

turnandburn
25th Jan 2022, 23:14
Everyone get there year end bonus? Or was it only for those more equal than others? Seems some GM managers reached there flying hours targets, and that special one fester on the 400 who seems to be the only cn on 80 hours for Feb, The blatant corruption knows no bounds, seems I didn’t get the fcn with the bank account number for my roster requests.

Bokpiel
26th Jan 2022, 04:47
You having a bad day, Flex?

I doubt he ever has a good day by his posts.

viking avenger
26th Jan 2022, 05:00
All the exit strategies in the world are worthless if you fail to execute and act. Ask around, all those that had the courage to act whether by option or force seem far happier than those who didn’t.

you’ll never know how much that lettuce sandwich weighed until you stopped carrying it.

kenfoggo
26th Jan 2022, 06:38
Bloomberg are reporting that the Government plan is set to keep the financial centre of Hong Kong isolated from the rest of the world until 2024 “at the earliest”. There is no end to the “zero CoVid” policy in sight. There is no plan or strategy to exit from this isolation and chaos. If the Government have no plan it really is time to create your own plan, take your own decisions about your own future for your own and your family’s well being and happiness. Good luck to all ex-colleagues still wading through the nausea of quarantine and testing and isolation. I left last year and have had no regrets.

Cury Lamb
26th Jan 2022, 11:48
May as well close up shop now and start putting assets on auction. Don’t know why they are prolonging the inevitable.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/828x1696/1b2ff3c6_1684_474d_9da5_ad9f06b60615_858b29795d0f80b73fb648c a5d4e11aeb748f20b.jpeg

https://www.flightglobal.com/strategy/new-year-new-woes-cathay-falls-further-with-no-end-in-sight/147169.article

https://simpleflying.com/cathay-pacific-flights-january-2022/

ron burgandy
26th Jan 2022, 18:11
Anyone with any get up and go, got up and left

mngmt mole
26th Jan 2022, 20:27
I left in 2019, after 30+ years in the airline. I joined in the late 80's, as a FO on the Classic ! It's bittersweet to look back now. At the time of joining, it was arguably the best airline career for a pilot in the entire world. The airline went out of their way to demonstrate that you (and your family) were valued and important. I remember my wife and I being flown out in First Class to HK for the second interview. Three days in HK, all expenses paid. A limo to take us of a tour of housing, dinner with the senior management, cocktail parties and a tour of the Kai Tak facilities. There was no question it was a definite "yes" if they offered a position.

Well, over 30 years later, the airline is unrecognisable. It is now probably one of the worst working environments in the industry, and the management seems to treat their pilots with almost utter contempt. The worst people have risen to the top (I do not consider MH to be one of those, but that is a personal opinion). CX management (and Swires) lost sight of what made their airline special. Bean counter mentalities overtook a previously firm appreciation of the contributions of their staff. We are now left with watching a once magnificent airline descend towards oblivion.

I accept I am no longer there to witness first hand the inner workings (although have many friends who inform me of the day to day). I pray for those remaining that the management come to their senses and recognise the only way forward is to recognise that the attitudes and policies of the past were what made CX successful. Time to throw away petty prejudices against aircrew and restore their pay, benefits and dignity.

AQIS Boigu
26th Jan 2022, 22:36
STW!!!!😢😢😢
Where have you been? I missed you so much!
I’ve got 4 additions for you:
-I just need to get my oldest through highschool
-I just need to get my youngest through highschool
-I just need to get my oldest through Uni
-I just need to get my youngest through Uni

One more

- I am waiting for the Aussie dollar to go below 5, then I go…😬😬😬

Sam Ting Wong
27th Jan 2022, 02:01
I left in 2019, after 30+ years in the airline. I joined in the late 80's, as a FO on the Classic ! It's bittersweet to look back now. At the time of joining, it was arguably the best airline career for a pilot in the entire world. The airline went out of their way to demonstrate that you (and your family) were valued and important. I remember my wife and I being flown out in First Class to HK for the second interview. Three days in HK, all expenses paid. A limo to take us of a tour of housing, dinner with the senior management, cocktail parties and a tour of the Kai Tak facilities. There was no question it was a definite "yes" if they offered a position.

Well, over 30 years later, the airline is unrecognisable. It is now probably one of the worst working environments in the industry, and the management seems to treat their pilots with almost utter contempt. The worst people have risen to the top (I do not consider MH to be one of those, but that is a personal opinion). CX management (and Swires) lost sight of what made their airline special. Bean counter mentalities overtook a previously firm appreciation of the contributions of their staff. We are now left with watching a once magnificent airline descend towards oblivion.

I accept I am no longer there to witness first hand the inner workings (although have many friends who inform me of the day to day). I pray for those remaining that the management come to their senses and recognise the only way forward is to recognise that the attitudes and policies of the past were what made CX successful. Time to throw away petty prejudices against aircrew and restore their pay, benefits and dignity.


I pulled the plug, it's just not what is was back then, I had enough ( with 64 and 11 months ;-)

doolay
27th Jan 2022, 05:47
Said by every trainer ever: 'I just want to give back to Aviation.'

Airbusdave
27th Jan 2022, 13:29
It's getting pretty hard to feel sympathetic for anyone who is still there, expat or local. People have been calling out "iceberg dead ahead for quite a while now". There are other airlines and other jobs, why go down with the sinking ship.

Sam Ting Wong
27th Jan 2022, 18:50
I can't decide what I appreciate more, the excuses of those who stay, or the invaluable career advice of those who left.

Diogenes.
28th Jan 2022, 00:41
I left in 2019, after 30+ years in the airline. I joined in the late 80's, as a FO on the Classic ! It's bittersweet to look back now. At the time of joining, it was arguably the best airline career for a pilot in the entire world. The airline went out of their way to demonstrate that you (and your family) were valued and important. I remember my wife and I being flown out in First Class to HK for the second interview. Three days in HK, all expenses paid. A limo to take us of a tour of housing, dinner with the senior management, cocktail parties and a tour of the Kai Tak facilities. There was no question it was a definite "yes" if they offered a position.

Well, over 30 years later, the airline is unrecognisable. It is now probably one of the worst working environments in the industry, and the management seems to treat their pilots with almost utter contempt. The worst people have risen to the top (I do not consider MH to be one of those, but that is a personal opinion). CX management (and Swires) lost sight of what made their airline special. Bean counter mentalities overtook a previously firm appreciation of the contributions of their staff. We are now left with watching a once magnificent airline descend towards oblivion.

I accept I am no longer there to witness first hand the inner workings (although have many friends who inform me of the day to day). I pray for those remaining that the management come to their senses and recognise the only way forward is to recognise that the attitudes and policies of the past were what made CX successful. Time to throw away petty prejudices against aircrew and restore their pay, benefits and dignity.

Hypocrite.

Airbusdave
28th Jan 2022, 05:15
From what I have read, most who have left comment in a positive light, generally along the lines of "life is better, I'm much happier, I'm glad I left & my new company is a better place to work" etc, having stepped away from the toxic management and culture of CX I believe most are encouraging their old colleagues to consider an alternative that is energetic and rewarding. I fail to see how that is a bad or negative thing.

Bueno Hombre
28th Jan 2022, 08:12
-Just got divorced, need more money for retirement and my wife's boyfriend.
Of course if you leave now you will be bankrupt, so just leave now and declare bankruptcy.. That will be a big disappointment for one of those two.

Freehills
28th Jan 2022, 10:14
Another one - ‘there’ll be a pilot shortage soon and they’ll have to increase the package to attract top quality applicants’

lucille
28th Jan 2022, 12:02
Another one - ‘there’ll be a pilot shortage soon and they’ll have to increase the package to attract top quality applicants’

Droll, very droll.

All too accurately, that is the straw the Remainers are clutching to.

oriental flyer
28th Jan 2022, 13:31
Another one - ‘there’ll be a pilot shortage soon and they’ll have to increase the package to attract top quality applicants’

I think this has a ring of truth about it . Reports indicate that the USA has a huge shortage of pilots which is only going to get worse

Oasis
28th Jan 2022, 15:40
Droll, very droll.

All too accurately, that is the straw the Remainers are clutching to.
It is ironic that the very fact of them hanging on, is preventing that from happening.

Edited for punctuation, lest I get banned again.

Farman Biplane
28th Jan 2022, 19:21
Sadly, I do not think they will “increase the package” for those already indentured, they will hire direct entry CN/FO on contracts, a’la the glorious China jobs that attracted expats. CX don’t want too many pesky permanent career pilots!
There are plenty of semi-retired/unemployed ex KA/CX pilots that would jump at a contract job.

Diogenes.
28th Jan 2022, 22:34
Sadly, I do not think they will “increase the package” for those already indentured, they will hire direct entry CN/FO on contracts, a’la the glorious China jobs that attracted expats. CX don’t want too many pesky permanent career pilots!
There are plenty of semi-retired/unemployed ex KA/CX pilots that would jump at a contract job.

Two questions spring to mind. First; what's a contract? Second; what's COS18?

Flex88
29th Jan 2022, 22:32
Firstly I sympathise with CX pilots. But why leave? I’d be milking it til it ended. If you leave early you may miss a generous redundancy. Think my last year at KA approached 4 mil for a few hundred hours when you included the payout. That’s October 2019 to October 2020.

Milking it till the end where it is highly likely the entire enterprise and all its offshoots may go bankrupt and you'll show up to locked doors seems like an exit strategy for colossal fools..

Sam Ting Wong
30th Jan 2022, 01:23
Milking it till the end where it is highly likely the entire enterprise and all its offshoots may go bankrupt and you'll show up to locked doors seems like an exit strategy for colossal fools..

When did you leave?

Koan
30th Jan 2022, 01:59
Hong Kong may continue covid isolation until 2024

https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/2253839/hong-kong-may-maintain-covid-isolation-until-2024-risking-exodus

Flex88
30th Jan 2022, 05:44
When did you leave?

Looks like at the "right" time eh STW ??

https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/2253839/hong-kong-may-maintain-covid-isolation-until-2024-risking-exodus

Sam Ting Wong
30th Jan 2022, 08:00
Impossible to say, depends entirely on individual circumstances.

FlightDetent
31st Jan 2022, 17:18
HKCAD rated A320 with Pilot in Command Time on the aircraft.
ASAP, various bases in mainland China
ICAO ELP 4 + fluent Mandarin

Which airline, any guesses? The CAE job posting keeps that hidden. Interesting to see a targeted headhunt...

Rie
1st Feb 2022, 06:28
Pretty sure it is for Jet Aviation not one of the airlines. They were advertising the other day directly.

MPPCAG
1st Feb 2022, 07:16
Sadly, I do not think they will “increase the package” for those already indentured, they will hire direct entry CN/FO on contracts, a’la the glorious China jobs that attracted expats. CX don’t want too many pesky permanent career pilots!
There are plenty of semi-retired/unemployed ex KA/CX pilots that would jump at a contract job.
Wrong. No they wouldn't, not at CX in Hong Kong.

Koan
7th Feb 2022, 06:26
Have any pilots absconded yet down line and just gone back to their home country?

krismiler
7th Feb 2022, 23:18
Have any pilots absconded yet down line and just gone back to their home country?

Not uncommon with QR cabin crew who simply leave their uniform on the bed in their hotel room and disappear.

Rie
8th Feb 2022, 07:19
HK isn't as bad as Qatar when it comes to the trapping of individuals. It's always possible to come back pack up properly without having to ditch outport and tell the wife to pack her bags.

Cury Lamb
8th Feb 2022, 07:59
HK isn't as bad as Qatar when it comes to the trapping of individuals. It's always possible to come back pack up properly without having to ditch outport and tell the wife to pack her bags.

Thats if she’s still there when you get back from your loop de loop :bored:

Koan
31st Mar 2022, 02:52
What is the end state goal of civid-zero policies? The virus is not going away.
Goldman Sachs expects real estate prices to fall 20 percent by 2025.

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/real-estate/goldman-sachs-expects-hong-kong-home-prices-to-fall-20-by-end-2025

Freehills
2nd Apr 2022, 00:24
Baby Sutch has exited…

mngmt mole
2nd Apr 2022, 07:23
LIke the ravens leaving the Tower...

airdualbleedfault
13th Apr 2022, 02:34
Hypocrite.
Don't be bitter Diogenes, it's nobodies fault but your own that you're stuck in that 5hithole

Flying Clog
13th Apr 2022, 07:22
airdualbleedfault is on point. You're free to leave, and if you don't, you have no one else to blame but yourself. It remains a mystery to me why anyone would be bonkers enough to stick it out.

Stockholm Syndrome or copious Kool Aid consumption perhaps?

Sam Ting Wong
14th Apr 2022, 02:15
Stockholm sounds nice. I might go there for a holiday.

But I much prefer Bordeaux over Kool Aid. I could give you some recommendations, but I am afraid with your new salary you won't be able to afford them.

KABOY
14th Apr 2022, 12:02
Stockholm sounds nice. I might go there for a holiday.

But I much prefer Bordeaux over Kool Aid. I could give you some recommendations, but I am afraid with your new salary you won't be able to afford them.

The Bordeaux that you drink STW will be spoiled from the summer heat as it’s sits outside Park n Shop waiting to the stacked in the Yau Me Tei store.

I loved that Bordeaux that had simplified chinese stamped on its label.

Seeing dairy products and wine sitting outdoors on the footpath in 30 degree heat always impressed me with ‘Asias World City’

turnandburn
16th Apr 2022, 05:44
Did anyone else manage to get home from terps for a bit, cc managed to get a gap for fester to bris vegas from anc.

Oasis
16th Apr 2022, 11:00
I heard one pilot was sent back from the failed lax temp base (because that's what it is, isn't it?), resigned and got a one word reply.

Rice power
17th Apr 2022, 21:52
Did anyone else manage to get home from terps for a bit, cc managed to get a gap for fester to bris vegas from anc.

The head of “The Chocolate Cookie Gang” getting back to Brisbane should come as no surprise.

turnandburn
18th Apr 2022, 01:09
Oh its only for the special people

MENELAUS
18th Apr 2022, 10:11
Come on. Give us a tiny clue. Who is head of the chocolate cookie gang ?

AtoBsafely
18th Apr 2022, 11:11
Tim Tam, or EO?

;-)

Siu Mo To
23rd Apr 2022, 06:03
HKCAD rated A320 with Pilot in Command Time on the aircraft.
ASAP, various bases in mainland China
ICAO ELP 4 + fluent Mandarin

Which airline, any guesses? The CAE job posting keeps that hidden. Interesting to see a targeted headhunt...

In Sichuan

MENELAUS
23rd Apr 2022, 09:18
In Sichuan
ELP 4 and fluent Mandarin. Great priorities. Trust there won’t be an unseemly rush to Sichuan, despite the excellent cuisine.

JMock
24th Apr 2022, 06:21
ELP 4 and fluent Mandarin. Great priorities. Trust there won’t be an unseemly rush to Sichuan, despite the excellent cuisine.

a few ex KA drivers went to China
sadly Covid sank their boat

Cury Lamb
26th Apr 2022, 15:52
You can always go to Sri Lanka, 100k only, chop chop, the tea is good.

Cash-strapped Sri Lanka to sell 'golden' visas
https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1645797-20220426.htm

Mother Russia will follow soon, their passports are ever so popular :ok: