Uniform standards

[Glass Half Empty]

It’s good to see that with closed loop, poor morale, non negotiated contracts etc etc etc that the third floor has its head screwed on with the latest edict on dress standards. Good on ya for that genius move, I can see morale soaring now……

[G Merch]

How long will it be until people begin to realise that the company leaders do not care about morale?

[dabz]

Issuing the uniform policy now is a warning to everyone.

It's another set of rules to punish you with if you don't have your attire on correctly as set out in the policy.

[cxflog]

A quick glance on the company ‘social media’ will highlight that management doesn’t care about about morale, nor any of its pilots concerns.

Oh but please keep volunteering for closed loops

[el commandante]

dabz

and who is going to enforce that?

[Bangaluru]

It’s cost saving, first, second and third.

[main_dog]

Maybe I should finally start wearing my hat :}

[stevieboy330]

I still

[Grateful..]

I’ve had a similar experience, also with a STC! Imagine wearing the uniform with pride..

[BuzzBox]

Call me old-fashioned, but is it really so unreasonable to wear a uniform properly when out and about in public?

[Cury Lamb]

Yes. Kleider machen leute.

[Flying Clog]

Yes. When it's uncomfortable, :mad: hot for example, or having a tie around your neck in the Midfield Terminal after an 18 hour duty and sitting on the naughty step fuming with anger.

[TriJetFlying]

No, not unreasonable at all, you are absolutely correct. Call me old fashioned, but is it really so unreasonable to expect a colleague not to “dress another down” in public.

The level of self importance here is embarrassing.

[BuzzBox]

Nope, not unreasonable and I did not mean to imply a public dressing down was acceptable.

[Auxtank]

Flying Clog

Forgive me, but that is just the time when one should be able to demonstrate the standards required.

[Handsanitser]

What standard?

do you think passengers care if pilots are wearing ties after a flight? give us a break… do you care when the MTR operator is not wearing his hat and tie? Get over your ego and start accepting that a career in CX is now the joke in the industry.

[cLeArIcE]

BuzzBox

The thing is, it's not about the uniform it's what that uniform represents. If your uniform represents a giant stinking pile of :mad: you are hardly going to care about wearing it correctly are you?

[Handsanitser]

Eloquently put sir!

[CRWCRW]

Get used to this kind of diatribe inmates…

TB is the next DFO apparently!

[BuzzBox]

It reflects just as badly on you personally as it does the company. If you feel comfortable walking around looking like a sack of :mad: then so be it, but don’t expect any sympathy from anyone, especially the pax.

[Cury Lamb]

What pax :ugh:

[Firefly47]

Call me old-fashioned, but is it really so unreasonable for the company to comply with our COS or is that just too hard, but yeah make sure you wear that uniform correctly and with pride....

[Sqwak7700]

cLeArIcE

😂, damn, you just broke this thread. Well done.

Over 90% of the pax fleet parked, bleeding millions a day for over a year and destroying the brand along with this once great home city, and the cause that makes these muppets put pen to paper is your facial hair length or how or when to wear a jacket. Not a letter to the CHP to wake the fog up, not a letter to the government asking WTF are you smoking, not beginning the process of moving this airline to a country that hasn’t gone full totalitarian and can allow travel; but a letter harassing the only people that are now enduring inhumane treatment to provide the only source of revenue to this place going for two years now with no end in sight.

Yeah, that’s priority number one right now.

[BalusKaptan]

Very well stated Sqwak!

[Oasis]

I think it is just a way for the office people to look busy, or else they may get the sack next.

[G Merch]

You must maintain a professional appearance in the simulator, just don't expect to be paid for it.

[Busbitch]

I wonder why anyone is still there.

[APBabySitter]

Haven’t you heard from or esteemed leader, they’re having to fight off applicants with a :mad: stick. Pilots are lining up to come and work for this circus, CoS18 is almost too generous it would seem.

[Jnr380]

Yeah it’s funny how prospective pilots look at the pay scale and it looks really good on paper, they’ll crunch a few numbers, maybe look up schools and apartments that fit the allowance CX offers without going into too much detail then apply.

CX plays on the fact outsiders don’t know the real cost of living in HK, suck them in with a bond and they got manning levels guaranteed for three years.

For locals, it’s awesome as vocational work for 5 years, but they know it’s not going to put them ahead in HK so they’ll quit and pursue jobs that will actually get them ahead in life.

This is CX modelling, they figured it’s cheaper to train someone every 3-5 years than to pay people a decent wage that they’ll stay, it looks good to shareholders.

[AQIS Boigu]

The perfect example is that Italian ex fast jet SO with four kids who joined on POS18.

He had no idea and didn’t do any research at all.

A salary of 4000 Euros net is a fair bit of coin in Italy but in HKG?

[Jnr380]

Auxtank

My standards followed the direction of my pay!

[TheGreenDragon]

BA thoroughly enforced uniform rules , to the extent that some of those here have experienced in CX. When flying pax on BA , I know their crews will be impeccably turned out, not a button loose or an irregular hairband .Their compliance with corporate standards is legendary; I would personally hate this !

[Oasis]

Maybe they have a reason to be proud to wear the uniform properly.

[Jnr380]

Nothing says we work for an amazing company like forcefully trying to improve moral through uniform standards

[controlledrest]

APBabySitter

Our leader also makes mention of the possibility of commands. With so much of the fleet parked, no sectors for currency let alone training, either this is the classic CX BS to keep guys hanging on (remember '...bases are part of the plan..') or the numbers heading out the door are reaching eye watering levels. Perhaps a bit of both.

[deja vu]

stevieboy330

Cx used to be full of these STC types, like a regimental sargeant- major. Most couldn't train to save themselves but were champion sycophants. But I guarantee a new breed of suck will emerge out of this shambles.

[Bangaluru]

It averages over 2 resignations per day for the last 3 months. 1.6 per day in the top 1000. It’s definitely at least the latter.

[I-AINC]

BuzzBox

Totally agree with you.

[blind pew]

In the 70s in the European division we recieved two summer and one winter uniform per year and a hat every two. No cleaning allowance which meant some were seen wearing shiney trousers and shirts that fitted like tents. I tailored mine and we had captains that bought Cavalier trousers from Burtons which had a reasonable fit. We had to wear full uniform in the simulator and I was once ordered three times in a month to have an ex con haircut.
Long haul on the VC10 we wore suits in the sim and were treated like gentlemen rather than Sargent pilots (apologies)..never was hair mentioned...standards were higher.
In Swissair we had designer uniforms, a laundry service and wore jeans in the sim..the Dutch wore clogs. The pay, conditions and professionalism was far higher which is why we attracted so many non swiss pax.
The most eccentric and best captain was an ex Mirage pilot who resigned his commission to fly to Africa amongst other destinations..he looked like the Dulux dog with yellow teeth but could fly the pants off anyone and when a pair of mirages accidentally framed his DC 10 cockpit in a vertical climb he insisted that there was a full investigation rather than sweeping it under the cheeses.
Clothes maketh man not pilots.

[Oddball77]

controlledrest

Apparently only approximately 100 pilots have resigned this year?

[fatbus]

2 per day for 90 day is in contrast to 100 for the year . Mind you this is pprune , pilots thrive on rumours !

[TurningFinalRWY36]

Just take note of the back end seniority numbers. Guys have moved up about 5-600 spots in the last 12 months. Obviously loss of some bases skews it but still. It's not hard to to verify this stuff. Look at the the name of the lowest guy. Cone back in 6 months and see where he is

[ACMS]

It’s the loss of highly experienced senior crew with years left before retiring that will come to kick them in the bum and rightly so.

[Bangaluru]

2 per day is not rumour fatty. It’s a calculation based on the seniority list.

A certain person near the bottom of the list has moved up 178 places since 20 August.

[fatbus]

I just pointed out there is a contradiction in rumours!

[YeahNahYeah]

I still remember my humiliating dress down in the terminal in HK by an STC for wearing my jacket but not having it buttoned up (as clearly stated in op's A), what a company ! I don't miss that rubbish.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3156006/improving-covid-19-situation-philippines?module=lead_hero_story&pgtype=homepage

lede photo, BOTH jackets unbuttoned.

[CXDOG]

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3156006/improving-covid-19-situation-philippines?module=lead_hero_story&pgtype=homepage

lede photo, BOTH jackets unbuttoned.
Hate to burst your bubble but neither of those two pilots are CX

[Rie]

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3156006/improving-covid-19-situation-philippines?module=lead_hero_story&pgtype=homepage

lede photo, BOTH jackets unbuttoned.

I thought you worked for Cathay... You'd at least recognise your own uniform.

[Handsanitser]

That is AHK I think… judging by how quickly our pay scale is deteriorating, how long do you think they will change my jacket to single breasted? At this rate, AVESCO staff will have a higher salary than our SOs and UO skippers.