24 crew in PB

[skyboss]

Looks like 24 crewmembers ended up in PB. It is an honor to serve Hongkong public.

[Coronavirus]

"Looks like" or "I know for a fact"?
​​​​​Kindly share any information.
I know it's a rumor forum, but as Biden says, c'mon man.​​​​​

[Fly747]

Are these related to the 40 yr old male found positive in the Headland at the weekend? Off CX841 too?
And that’s not a rumour.

[Curry Lamb]

Back to 21 days in quarantine :D what is circus!

https://amp.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3145597/coronavirus-cathay-pacific-strikes-aircrew

[triple7driver]

If only there were based crew who could fly in and out of Hong Kong...

[mngmt mole]

Bingo........

[Oasis]

Nah mate, the based crew are so much more ‘agile’ in Hong Kong.

because nothing says ‘agile’ like a 7 day quarantine after a volunteer only extended trip pattern.

[LLLQNH]

triple7driver

Don't be stupid, we can't have sensible operational suggestions here. Don't you know this is our airline and we will run it into the ground anyway we see fit. Heaven forbid we use based crew or even allow some of our pesky Hong Kong based plebs to take a temporary base overseas for 6 months, that would just be too sensible we can't have that.

[controlledrest]

Based crew on return to HKG, after quarantine, are on G days, no re-qualification training. That's how agile they are. Typical CX. One department told to move them back, doesn't talk to another department responsible for getting them back on the line. All along managers pleading for closed loop volunteers. Circus with creepy clowns running it.

[Oasis]

They sent people to join a base a year ago, with the assurance that it would be all right.
Now they’re being sent back even though a smart solution is obvious to the quarantine debacle.

Quarantines are not going anywhere, it is time to stop hoping and start planning for a better solution.

There are still, bases left in two countries, it would make sense to at least trial it to see if it works before they are gone, as well as many of the experienced aircrew.

Cathay leadership will get it right eventually, just always with a lag of about 1.5 years.

[LongTimeInCX]

Having left CX what now seems like a long time ago, are the two bases remaining in UK & USA?
if so, are they reviewing them as they did FRA, NZ, Aust and Canada?
What do those still left in CX think will be the outcome for UK & USA bases?

Anecdotally, one hears UK is being “looked at”, but I can envisage they would hold off on closing USA until more crew can convert to the 748 as it seems unlikely, from the outside looking in, that many current US based crew would take up any offer of a return to HK, especially with the US job market opening up.

[bm330]

The only reason the US bases continue to exist is the majority of the USAOA flies the 747. If CX announced they were "consulting" about the future of the bases, every US based pilot would down tools and the Freighter operation would fall apart overnight.

[controlledrest]

US and UK will close. POS18 is the way of the future for CX, just another LCC with Asian labour practices. POS18 might be legal in HKG, it sure wouldn't be in any of the base areas.

If the company had halve a clue reverse roster us out of the base areas. Maybe that will come once all the bases are closed. Company so far has been very careful with each closure to prevent legal challenges.

[Coronavirus]

Wow, record time set for thread drift.
:ok:

[main_dog]

So are the rest of that crew really in PB?

[ToCatLady]

Nobody ended up in PB. They’re being held hostage at the Headland instead.

Wouldn’t surprise me if this was a false/positive as he didn’t test positive for the Delta variant and is the only person to have done so in a very long time.

[BabyYoda]

Bull*!
There are 28 guys/gals at PB, including 8 pilots!
​​​​​​ CL is really appealing, isn't it?
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[ToCatLady]

I stand corrected then. That’s a lot of microwaves for the AOA to buy.

[main_dog]

No comms from either the union or the company…

[Coronavirus]

I'm starting to believe it's just a rumor and not one single crew is in PB.

[controlledrest]

And were you expecting something? DFO and GMA, great communicators working hard to keep us happy. Union? is there one?

[Bokpiel]

Confirmed case of CC who returned on cargo-only CX841 from NY. Not surprised at all considering the many stories of on9 CC sneaking out of the hotels. Thanks for :mad: it up for all of us!

[Coronavirus]

You don't think the freighter guys are going out in Dubai or USA?
It's the only way they stay sane.

Also, you're assuming that passengers leaving Hk are all negative, and I can tell you from personal experience, they are not. Crew are getting emails even up to 3 weeks after a flight saying that a passenger on their outbound flight is positive.

[Veruka Salt]

Confirmed at Fleet Forum yesterday. 8 pilots & 16 cabin crew at PB.

[Rie]

The stories are true, they all leave the hotel and don't care about the consequences now. Pretty much all ports except for AUS/NZ...

[carolknows]

Any disciplinary action to follow?

[Backupnav]

To be fair, that hotel in NYC is a proper dump, no wonder people want to escape!

[Rie]

Disciplinary action? Doubt it, it's the Cabin Crew that normally report for the small things trying to climb that slippery pole that are going out and about. Company could just go check the CCTV if they really wanted to. I think it's just more of a blind eye thing.

[8driver]

There are privacy laws in the United States. The hotel won't just turn over CCTV recordings without a warrant. It's not like HKG with CHP prowling about, checking videos, and arresting people for poking their head out of a hotel room door. Or like Aus where you've got cops or military guarding the halls. I'm sure they could try and get hotels to snitch.....and it wouldn't surprise me if they did.

[CXDOG]

Who says that the unfortunate CC broke any rules anyway? There are numerous examples of transmission within hotels whether used for quarantine or regular ones. Incidental transmission when opening doors or more insidiously through ventilation and air conditioning systems etc

Maybe they did go out (would that be the crime of the century?) and maybe they didn’t

[skyboss]

skyboss

Has the AOA legally challenged the order to send crew to PB . There is a definition of close , casual contact. Did the CHP follow those definitions, I am in doubt

[Coronavirus]

Lol the AOA:ugh:
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[Oasis]

Aoa sent a microwave

[ToCatLady]

We are as bad as the CHP and the lunatics running the show if we sit here asking for this guy to be fired for catching COVID.

The way this is going we are all eventually going to catch a cough and be at the mercy of PB and CHP.

give this guy a break. Could have just as easily picked it up in the hotel itself.

you go to work at your peril these days

[Dingleberry Handpump]

CXDOG

This.

Not sure if others have realised, but in the real world, where we fly to, life is going back to normal - and as a result, this psychotic sanitising of every surface of hotels every 2 minutes has also stopped. Masks have been ditched etc.

So, folks catch Covid - but who cares. Those who wanted it are vaccinated, and we move on. Sadly that’s not possible here in HK with the clown show calling the shots completely unchecked.

[HVY]

According to the email today, more unfortunate crew have been detained and sent to PB.

Rumours were rife yesterday with talk of crew being held in the airport for over 24 hours without proper food/ bedding/ showers and then being sent to gulag. Pilots being sent to PB and cabin crew sent to hotels?

Does anyone have any more details about what happened? (Remember when the union would start emails with “This is rumour control, here are the facts.”)

Anyway…

We are at the point where testing positive is akin to committing a crime and even close proximity carries a mandatory prison sentence.

Without the obvious suggestion of leaving the circus, does anyone have any thoughts on how to
protect ourselves, our families and neighbours from being incarcerated?

I’ve heard testing at an outport before returning to HK is one mitigation strategy being used. Better to test positive overseas and be treated like a human than be treated like an animal in HK.

[Dingleberry Handpump]

Spot on with the crime comparison. This is an utter disgrace unfolding in front of us.

What possible reason was there to hold crew at the airport that long, if that is what happened? Surely even the test result is near-irrelevant if their fate has already been decided.

[MENELAUS]

Cabin crew doing Q overseas. Pilots got pinged so held for over 21 hrs in the MCC on click click beds, full lighting and no facilities (no staff available allegedly due T8 ! ) and then, just to
round it off, 21 days in the cooler.
A dystopian effing nightmare. Meanwhile the rest of the vaccinated world gets on with living with it.
This is what happens when you have no credible opposition, no pushback and the company so beholden and indebted to the government that they just do as they’re told.
Frankly it should be pointed out to the CHP that this is untenable, and they should resoundingly be told to :mad:

[Dingleberry Handpump]

Bloody Nora. Do you know what were the circumstances that caused the CC being able to QT in Aus, as opposed to the pilots getting nailed back in HK?

An absolute dystopia, indeed. There are a lot of complete cretins that have a lot to answer for, which as you point out, will not happen.

[Jnr380]

controlledrest

Already proposed to Crew Planning, a big cannot was their reponse….

[Load Toad]

skyboss

Blame the HK Gov - the public have ZERO say in anything

[dabz]

HK public don't care either.

To them it's better that these infected privileged pilots and cabin crew and their families get locked up so the chances of infection to them is reduced.

Nobody gives a :mad: about how bad things are in Penny Bay until they themselves get force to go there... people always think about themselves...

[MENELAUS]

Ain’t that the truth. The CHP are shaming the Stasi with this latest stunt.
Just to be clear, that’s the individual concerned, his entire household, (partner, kids, babies, helper if you have one, pets etc), banged up, just because the individual concerned was enjoying the unique privilege of doing his job, which includes bringing precious commodities in to Hong Kong. And this is in the absence of a positive test ? The place is well and truly stuffed.
Down tools. A mass, anonymous orchestrated outbreak of back pain is the only way to deal with this. And what are they going to do about it ? Fire you and place you on a lesser contract ? They’d have a job finding one.
They are also missing the fundamental point that the mental strain of this, combined with almost 2 years now of being confined to hotel rooms, :mad: food, regular unnecessary testing, and trying to keep some semblance of competence going with poor recency, is a recipe for disaster.
What a crock.

[hyg]

oh ppl know, I have a friend who's been there while his dad was in ICU with the virus, he didn't really mind cuz he gets to take 14 days off work blaming :mad: internet there.....but also because normal people who don't go in and out, they don't get tested as often which means they have less chance of getting sent there, then why should they care?

[freightdoggiedog]

Globocnik

Hear hear!

[turnandburn]

So the families got 21 days as well, having somehow become a reverse contact.
Foreign children being detained under a communist regime with no rule of law.
Really displays the mentality of this place, which has descended into a 3rd world city. With detention with no recourse to any semblance of science or justice.

[cxflog]

Did you really expect anything else though? If there’s one thing you can count on, it’s HK always being a backwards society

[Oasis]

turnandburn

Thought I read it was only 3 days?

[turnandburn]

minimum 3 days. Now 21. Noticed trying to keep a lid on it. So they can continue to crew planes with the added risk.

[ZootBoot]

21 days?! Is this confirmed/source available?

[norfolkungood]

False positive test, so all involved released from the shackles/confinement.

[dabz]

Any compensation for all the suffering each person affected had to endure for their "false positive"? 😞