Airlines sponsoring foreigners in the USA

[montema]

Good evening guys

I heard rumours that USA airlines are hiring or going to start hiring soon foreign pilots sponsoring them.

Anyone knows if this is true or if it's just the old rumours coming back?

Regards!

M

[bafanguy]

I heard rumours that USA airlines are hiring or going to start hiring soon foreign pilots sponsoring them.

montema,

The US airlines are certainly hiring but whether they're sponsoring foreign pilots is doubtful. Even the US regionals that have, in the past, taken Aussies on E3 visas haven't announced they're taking any new Aussie candidates. In fact, Commutair for example says on their website they're not taking E3s at the moment:

https://www.flycommutair.com/e-3-visa/

So far, my impression is that it's just the standard sky-is-falling talk where pilot supply is concerned. Hiring lots of pilots doesn't necessarily mean they're short of pilots. The whole thing is worth watching though.

[montema]

Thanks Bafanguy, that's exactly what I was wondering. I will be keeping an eye on it as I've heard it from some people now but it doesn't look that easy... just can't be. Everyone I know working there has waited for years before getting the opportunity to stay.

[montema]

Apparently from yesterday, foreign pilots are eligible for EB2 visa... interesting! :)

[Flocks]

Could you tell the Source please ?

[montema]

Could you tell the Source please ?
I've seen it in different linkedin posts!

[Climb150]

I've seen it in different linkedin posts!

Well if it was on LinkedIn it must be true.

[LostWanderer]

I've seen it in different linkedin posts!

It’s not true. Hope no one is risking their E3 Visa on this venture, if it’s denied which it likely will be, you’ll be sent home.

[arvida]

Hello,
I'm Canadian and currently flying the 737 in the arctic. Also have a 4 years bachelor degree.

I want to relocate in the USA next year, what are my options (after converting to FAA)?

So far I found two ways : trough a regional that sponsors visa- or get a green card trough a complicated process (lawyers and $$$)

Thanks

[jpn crj driver]

Chatting with a buddy who is at National/N8 he said they hired a number of Aussies on the 744F and they are in class now... Private owner and pay and conditions are low for the 744 and lots of churn lately so suspect the owner wants to keep folks around without upin the pay... From what I understand the E3 is tide to the Company and in turn keeps the folks there... That was current info as of yesterday...

Kampai

[bafanguy]

Chatting with a buddy who is at National/N8 he said they hired a number of Aussies on the 744F and they are in class now... Private owner and pay and conditions are low for the 744 and lots of churn lately so suspect the owner wants to keep folks around without upin the pay... From what I understand the E3 is tide to the Company and in turn keeps the folks there... That was current info as of yesterday...

Kampai


jcd,

Did your friend say what background the National Aussie E3s have...straight from Australia with no "pit stop" at a US regional...previous large turbojet experience ? I'm assuming they are E3s ?

Their website doesn't reveal much related to hiring non-US citizens.

This from 6 days ago? US passport required ?:

• A valid US passport allowing unrestricted travel;
• The unrestricted right to live and work in US;

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=national+airlines+careers&ibp=htl;jobs&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiDs8yll-jyAhVITt8KHSUqB2EQkd0GMAF6BAgREAE#fpstate=tldetail&htivrt=jobs&htiq=national+airlines+careers&htidocid=8UYDwtWxUkdDMOpOAAAAAA%3D%3D


And this from an unknown date:


" Legally authorized to work in the United States." and a US passport required.

https://www.indeed.com/cmp/National-Airlines/jobs?jk=d54dd67144fe3d16&start=0&clearPrefilter=1

[BAe 146-100]

Just because its not on the website doesn’t mean its not Happening. E3s are happening right now , I know of several including Frontier……

[bafanguy]

Just because its not on the website doesn’t mean its not Happening. E3s are happening right now , I know of several including Frontier……

No doubt about it.

[BAe 146-100]

However guys working on H1Bs are few and far between, this is definitely a Australian thing….

[Oldaircrew]

Just because its not on the website doesn’t mean its not Happening. E3s are happening right now , I know of several including Frontier……
Frontier are not offering E3s unfortunately.

[jpn crj driver]

Ref Natl/N8 from what I understood it was a "Networking" deal where as a close connection to N8 Management knew a number of Aussies who were available... No details... Different fleets there are like different Companies, not much cross talk unless in the Head Shed... Sorry no details...

Kampai

[havick]

Frontier are not offering E3s unfortunately.

Tell that to the guy flying the line there with an E3.

[BAe 146-100]

Tell that to the guy flying the line there with an E3.

A lot of guys assume, its not on the website so its not happening!!! Aviation has never worked that way.. Those E3s are going pretty much everywhere now.

[Oldaircrew]

A lot of guys assume, its not on the website so its not happening!!! Aviation has never worked that way.. Those E3s are going pretty much everywhere now.
Actually I wrote to them and asked. Reply stated that they’re not doing it. Before you ask, it wasn’t a human remains minion but a management pilot.

[Climb150]

I am deeply sceptical of National having a bunch of Australians start recently. I am in the USA right now and news like that spreads fast through the Aussie pilot community here. If it is true it's the best kept secret in aviation!

[DropYourSocks]

The thing guys back home don't realise when they hear rumours of E3s at this place or that, is that you have to be here and hustle face to face to make these things happen. Sending an email and hoping for a job is about as effective as it was hunting that first job in the top end.

So for those of you that have emailed "xx hr" and got a "we're not interested", they are absolutely trialing E3 programs. The programs at each respective carrier may just not be ready to launch publicly. Those that are trialing programs though, those programs have been built by Aussies building relationships and trust face to face, and are very protective of what they've built.

And as a last point, stop with the HR name calling. Of the programs that are a level above the regionals, HR has played a crucial role in getting Aussies in the door to plead their case as to why have an E3 program at all.

The US declaration of independence says you have the freedom to pursue life, liberty and happiness. Come over and pursue yours, but make no mistake, no one will hand it to you on a platter if you sit in Aus.

[lee_apromise]

I am deeply sceptical of National having a bunch of Australians start recently. I am in the USA right now and news like that spreads fast through the Aussie pilot community here. If it is true it's the best kept secret in aviation!

Simple LCA search is your friend.

So far, 1 guy is at Frontier, this has to be the trial case.

2 guys at National.

1 guy at Spirit but doesn't seem to have been renewed.

1 guy at Atlas and Atlas hasn't taken any E-3s since 2019.

It seems no Aussies at PDT flowed to AA with E-3.

It is an exaggeration to claim that Aussies are going everywhere now.

For the time being, for the majority of Aussies, US is only good for regional jet and pic time.

[bafanguy]

No pressure on the Test Aussie at Frontier. ;)

[havick]

Simple LCA search is your friend.

So far, 1 guy is at Frontier, this has to be the trial case.

2 guys at National.

1 guy at Spirit but doesn't seem to have been renewed.

1 guy at Atlas and Atlas hasn't taken any E-3s since 2019.

It seems no Aussies at PDT flowed to AA with E-3.

It is an exaggeration to claim that Aussies are going everywhere now.

For the time being, for the majority of Aussies, US is only good for regional jet and pic time.

I wouldn’t read to much into the ones that haven’t been renewed, they probably won the green card lottery or now have a US spouse and resulting green card.

And what’s wrong with ‘just’ regional jet and pic time?

[Kenny]

I wouldn’t read to much into the ones that haven’t been renewed, they probably won the green card lottery or now have a US spouse and resulting green card.

And what’s wrong with ‘just’ regional jet and pic time?

Agreed. Leaving the technicalities of whether it’s actually possible to one side, It’ll be a massive shift for any E-3 to be part of any flow-through to a legacy carrier, from a regional partner. Personally, I don’t think it’ll ever happen. UAL, DAL and AA all have about 12000 CV’s on file and around half of those are apparently qualified. At least as far as UAL is concerned and finding the justification for E3’s would be problematic.

[DropYourSocks]

Just to play devil's advocate, UAL et al wouldn't need justification as such, just an LCA saying they'll be paying the same as an American. Skill shortage vs being a skilled worker visa and all.

Whether or not it'll ever actually come to that, who knows? People as early as a few weeks ago said the LCC market would never allow E3s, and yet here we are. :ok:

[bafanguy]

UAL, DAL and AA all have about 12000 CV’s on file and around half of those are apparently qualified.

Kenny,

The airlines have been reluctant to release that data so we're left with anecdotal info. I don't doubt anyone's numbers since I have nothing to support or refute them.

I do strongly suspect everyone has applied to every carrier which reduces the total number of job-hunting individuals by a factor of the number of airlines( I think I said that right).

As we know, qualified per posted requirements is very different from competitive. I was at an event for retired airline pilots several years ago where the inventor/owner/operator of airlineapps.com spoke about how his brainchild works. The airlines using that service get to set parameters on their receiving end so those not meeting minimum requirements will not have their application seen. This keeps the fresh CPL from clogging up the works by applying. So, no one among us Little People will ever know who got seen by eyes who can send out an interview invitation.

The legacies and LCCs will NEVER be short of hireable applicants...and I mean NEVER. I suspect the regionals are pretty similar; butts will find seats and airplanes will be flown...even when some carriers go under.

[Kenny]

Just to play devil's advocate, UAL et al wouldn't need justification as such, just an LCA saying they'll be paying the same as an American. Skill shortage vs being a skilled worker visa and all.

Whether or not it'll ever actually come to that, who knows? People as early as a few weeks ago said the LCC market would never allow E3s, and yet here we are. :ok:

You'd think it might be that easy but not a hope of it. The reason…ALPA. The noise that would come from the rank and file, over hiring foreigners that don’t have PRC’s would be deafening and far too loud to ignore. It’ll never happen. UAL will hire 300 hour wonders and put them through their flight school before they’ll ever do that. The precedent is already there.

[pschweitz]

No EB-2 visas are being used. That was a fake aviation news post. That went viral.
sorry…
so far the following airlines are using the E-3 (australian nationals only) program:
Atlas Air
National Airlines
Amerijet
PSA Airlines
Commutair

There are possibly more. But these are doing it for sure. National Airlines just hired 50 australian nationals and Atlas so far hired 6 ( this is not confirmed and only a rumour)
my sources come from HR departments and people that are involved in hiring at some of these airlines. As well as company websites

[lee_apromise]

No EB-2 visas are being used. That was a fake aviation news post. That went viral.
sorry…
so far the following airlines are using the E-3 (australian nationals only) program:
Atlas Air
National Airlines
Amerijet
PSA Airlines
Commutair

There are possibly more. But these are doing it for sure. National Airlines just hired 50 australian nationals and Atlas so far hired 6 ( this is not confirmed and only a rumour)
my sources come from HR departments and people that are involved in hiring at some of these airlines. As well as company websites

Only 2 LCAs filed for E3 at National, not 50.

Amerijet doesn't do E3.

Frontier only 1 trial case.

[Maxpilot66]

No EB2 - NIW VISA will ever be issued by the US Gov. for Pilots since being a Pilot its not really a "relevant job " for the USCIS, but there are a lot speculations from some Lawyers firm affirming that , if you spend some money (a lot .....) , you may have some chanches..

.Forget it...at least by now..

.Apply for a Green Card lottery , you may have more chances.....