Knight of the Long Knives?

[Dropp the Pilot]

Two weeks without a post from any of the EK mob which has to be some kind of record. Has there perhaps been another ramp-up in social media monitoring by Al Stasi?

[White Knight]

Nah. People either flying a lot (overtime) or busy trying to make ends meet (unpaid leave pilots)!

[rkenyon]

The fact that the thread is locked may have a bearing...

[14 6]

Basically there is nothing more to say……..apart from trading tips on how to avoid body odour!

[Juan Heych]

Some things to talk about:
EK is looking for pilots. Emails sent to some that were kicked out, and DECs on the way.

[ThrustAssymComp]

is there any chance for new comer?

[Flaps0]

Probably quite unlikely as they've got circa 1200 redundant A380 guys to work through first.

[desert witch]

I believe they mailed all ex380, or nearly all.
What is the reaction of the incumbent so far?
Yes?
No?
No :mad: Way?
Beer is too good and cheap where I am now?
The US has jobs for all?
All of above are incorrect?

Tables are turning, that's for sure.

[Capn Rex Havoc]

ex Cabin crew have received the letter as well.

[Buckshot]

Any movement on command courses on the Triple?

[Fired600]

A380 pilots emailed, not for recall but for expression of interest to return. No 777 pilots emailed, weird they want the whale in the times of probable low traffic loads but not the tractor.

[oneeyedrat]

The tractor appears to be working flat out, if not the frames then the crew and probably little training capacity for new crews other than cadets.

[White Knight]

Fired600

They're not as low as you may think!

[flareflyer]

Anyway you can just register. I don’t think they will hire other pilots for quite a long time.

[desert witch]

So...
The knight of the Long Knives sends an email on a THURSDAY NIGHT to SOME of their axed 380 Pilots, with the new terms.
Of course, as new joiners.
Ah! And it mentions they are also opening regular recruiting parallel to this.
And consent to check medical history with the clinic. In case...
Two days to sign the stuff and reply.
Some haven't finished moving or unpacking. Some are losing twenty years of seniority in one go.
Classy.

[Juan Heych]

I think It’s best just to block emails from this outfit.
Move on from the disaster.

[Fired600]

desert witch

What are the ‘new terms’ for the old guard?

[Giuff]

Zero seniority.

[Fired600]

It’s not good but seniority generally made zero difference in EK, in fact it actually got you fired in the end!
What about the pay etc?

[Giuff]

You are right, but still is a symptom of what will be.
I understand also company accomodation mandatory and a reduced basic salary according to the covid situation.

[flyTheBigFatLady]

desert witch

Not only !
at least if you were captain you come back as such, sadly on a much lower pay, but captain
senority didn’t have value anyway.
but what’s about FOs who worked there ass off to have a career finally made it throu the stupid interview and suddenly lost everything towards a command. Now if some consider to come back they start at absolutely zero as nothing of the previous (their thousands of hours) is counting for them. Again FOs have taken the hardest hit in all that ****. Beside lossing maybe a higher salary they lost also their career and have to go another 5 plus years finding themselves next to somebody not even having half the time just being lucky enough not having lost the job.
And on top 6 month is chosen to make sure nobody can pass by the selection which of course will not reflect your previous record.

[flyTheBigFatLady]

pay is pretty much the same as before
just starting in the lowest step no increases to be expected ever again
company accom or from October on allowance for married couples, which is reduced by 15% to the previous. Schooling is the same.
Not sure about medical - employee class A cover - we know what that means - basic for spouse and children, premium payed by employee

[donpizmeov]

It looks like first year Capt package for skippers. First year FO package for FOs. New staff number doj. Accommodation is the same as all other pilots.
So same contract just bottom of the scale.
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[Emma Royds]

Just to clarify, the reference that was to 'married couples', was apparently referring to both individuals being employed by EK. At present, if both in a couple are employed by EK, they are only entitled to receive one accommodation allowance and it is this policy that is due to change. I have seen nothing official to confirm this but a colleague who has been here considerably longer than I have, said that this is the case.

[BigGeordie]

Are the redundant guys coming back being bonded again?

[Fired600]

Would be an interesting one since they are already A380 rated, no B777 redundant pilots have been recalled.

[Fuel-Off]

Were they made redundant or fired? The difference could be the reason why they haven't been called back.

[Fired600]

600+ made redundant on 777. No B777 guys recalled fired/redundant or otherwise.

[Mach_Krit]

600? The number I heard was 200 on the triple. Even one colleague fired is one colleague too much, but 600 does seem a bit exaggerated

[Kennytheking]

BigGeordie

Pure speculation on my part but I would think not. However, the situation is fluid and we have seen in the past that if you poke the bear you will get a reaction. Accordingly if they see a number of guys returning and just doing the training and resigning shortly thereafter, I think you may find a policy shift going forward. I seem to recall that was the reason for the introduction of the upgrade bond - a number of people resigning the day after being given the extra stripe.

[Fired600]

Mach_Krit

I wish it was but it is was indeed around the 600 mark.

[Mercuzio77]

Let’s not spread wrong figures. 777 guys made redundant were around 200 as BigGeordie said.

[Fired600]

If it’s 380 or 777, the totals are even more horrendous with the totals made redundant in the 1500 mark. The bus you drove is semantics, not a single 777 pilot has been recalled.

[White Knight]

Being semantic, no 380 terminated pilots have been recalled either! They've only had 'EOI' emails!

And to be quite blunt, there will be several of those 380 pilots who's expression of interest replies will be ignored... I imagine there's a sh1t-list on both fleets!

[Fired600]

That’s an email more than any 777 guy.it shows intent and is a carrot more than the 777 donkey got so far.
As for the s list, yup 110%

[Emma Royds]

I know this will be a delicate point but out of everyone that was made redundant, there will be some that were selected for a reason and others that were selected on a more random basis. I would hazard a guess that only those in the latter category are likely to be asked if they would be interested in returning. The company was ruthless in how they selected people for redundancy and I don't expect them to be any more benevolent in how they select those for any potential recall.

On the topic of workload, July was one of my busiest months since I ever joined and I was knee-deep in productivity. A sign of things to come? :*