Buccaneer Comedy

[typerated]

Listen to the bit about BLC from 2.30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61gYbWWWZws

It's either comedy or painful - depending on your demeanor .

Either way a very poor show under the flag of the RAF museum

[Dan Gerous]

RAF historian? Hope he's got a real day job, as he sucks at this.

[LOMCEVAK]

“Why remain silent and be thought of as a fool when you can open your mouth and remove all reasonable doubt”. I think that videos such as that will totally demotivate anyone who has some aviation knowledge and may consider visiting the RAF Museum.

[rolling20]

Flying very low was dangerous for the pilot apparently.
No mention of the back seater, presumably he was of no consequence.

[toratoratora]

Unusual description of BLC, there…..

[Haraka]

Since the removal of anybody with significant RAF,or even U.K. Aviation industry backgrounds, from RAFM senior management,it has become just yet another "Woke" dominated ( Hats etc) extension of the regime of technically unqualified self serving Civil Service "administrators". climbing the greasy pole.
What the likes of Jack Bruce , Bill Sayer and others of similar ilk who built the museum up would have made of all this doesn't bear thinking about..

[Oopscheck]

Researcher probably mis-heard/ read lower with slower. That then fitted the much of the aircraft's popular story they had so far, leading to this. Back to the edit, eh?

[Miles Magister]

It just defies belief. The really sad thing is that these people probably actually believe that they are doing a good job.

MM

[212man]

Bizarre! Started off reasonably for a lay audience, but I had to stop watching after the BLC explanation. Maybe I then missed the bit about area ruling helping it to land…..

[SASless]

If the RAF Museum uses Volunteers for such duties and as tour guides providing commentary.....perhaps some genuinely qualified retired old Gits would step forward and offer their services....the hired Staff would surely welcome that so they could attend to more important duties such as padding their Resume's and creating bogus Rating Standards to gain a larger Annual Performance Bonus and leave the "work" to the Vols.....sound like a plan?

As the RAF rightfully honors the Dam Busters.....how does the Museum with all this "woke" and "PC" business get around to discussing the Dog's Name used as the Code Word for success of the Raid?

[LOMCEVAK]

Trying to help recover this situation, I have e mailed the RAF Museum and offered to help them correct the errors in this video if they would like me to. I would very happily write a script for them. I have watched the F4 one also and at least they used a type qualified pilot for that so that is a good presentation for a lay person.

[ExAscoteer2]

WTA? Binned it off after the explanation(!) of BLC.

[MPN11]

Q: How low can the RAFM go?

A: 5ft AGL, using foreign staff and BLC (Bloody Lousy Commentary).

[NutLoose]

You’ve missed the other errors, the RAF were going to get the TSR2 then they wanted to go “for an American version” the F111K

the second guy would be sitting right behind me isn’t strictly correct either as both seats are offset to allow the back seater forward vision.

[Timelord]

“The Navy used it against ships but the RAF overland” ….AND against ships!

[57mm]

Yet more evidence of dumbing down......

[Nige321]

Those with a Facebook account can message him here:
https://www.facebook.com/kris.hendrix.758

[NutLoose]

I lost faith in the whole bunch of them when Cosford pushed the mint Catalina outside to make way for an entertaining area and kiddies area to raise funding for restoration work, something the Catalina will now need sooner than before.

[toratoratora]

I am afraid that these days, accuracy and fact matter far less than ‘engagement’ and ‘likes’. This video is doubtless well-meaning, but if you don’t actually know what you are talking about, then just stfu….

[NutLoose]

Give him a bit of slack he only started in November.

[Tartiflette Fan]

the second guy would be sitting right behind me isn’t strictly correct either as both seats are offset to allow the back seater forward vision.**

Just too nit-picking and not correct.

[toratoratora]

Give him a bit of slack he only started in November.

Don’t see why that absolves him from factual correctness. If you don’t know, pick the brains of someone who does…

[typerated]

If the RAFM need a bit of guidance they could look at the example set by the tank museum at Bovington.

Compare and contrast the Bucc video with this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xzG_rRngs8

I can recommend their "tank chats" interesting and knowledgeable presenters giving in depth descriptions of each vehicle.
One of the comparisons I see it that these are presented at a level that the layman can follow but the expert probably still finds it watchable.

[mattyj]

I went to hendon about 18 months ago when my airline still flew to London (before the end of western civilisation called Covid) ..it was excellent and the aircraft were beautifully restored and presented and you don’t need a boffin to show you around as you wander the halls. Free too! I recommend it.

[mattyj]

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[NutLoose]

Don’t see why that absolves him from factual correctness. If you don’t know, pick the brains of someone who does…
it doesn’t but it tends to make you think it was written for him.

[Chairborne 09.00hrs]

The video output from the RAFM is abysmal - poorly presented, seemingly without any enthusiasm. The Cosford collection has some excellent JAAF exhibits, but the video produced on these was bland and uninteresting - unlike the a/c!

[toratoratora]

it doesn’t but it tends to make you think it was written for him.

I don’t buy that. His Facebook link says he is a ‘researcher’. So go and research, then.

[t7a]

Can't believe I spent so many hours sat in the front seat without noticing the headup artificial horizon!

[kration]

Those with a Facebook account can message him here:----

It's fair enough to criticise the vid and presenter on this forum, but it's a bit off to post personal contact details and encourage people to message him..

If you want to complain directly, contact the museum.

[NutLoose]

Agreed……..

[Nige321]

It's fair enough to criticise the vid and presenter on this forum, but it's a bit off to post personal contact details and encourage people to message him..

If you want to complain directly, contact the museum.

If I'd published his mobile number or home address, I'd agree with you.

He's using social media to publish his video - he can hardly complain when people use the same social media to try and correct him...
And it isn't his personal contact info, it's his freely published Facebook page, complete with a 'Message me' button, trumpeting his role at the RAFM...

[Haraka]

This all could be seen coming even back in the late 70's. The "traditional " understanding of a museum as being a place to find reference and education was subsumed. Even then, the concept of it being a repository for study was being overtaken by looking at the "Mum, Dad and two kids on a day out" model which even then,with transport costs, incurred a likely outlay of over £100. Visitor numbers became the supreme criteria for funding consideration. So the "family fun fair " concept then dominated.
So now we have "Service Hats" instead of real Service History , "Talking Heads ", lacking relevant background knowledge rather than Technical Authorities and "Show" over substance.
The Buccaneer video is but one example of the inevitable consequences.

[Rigga]

Having lost blood, sweat and fingernails to BLC ducting (and Cono Seals) I'd like to say this bloke stands out amongst a crowd of idiots as their leader.

[walbut]

Back in the 70's there was a Buccaneer that flew sideways on approach with BLC on. It was returned to Holme on Spalding Moor for investigation and extensive rigging checks did not reveal any fault in the flying controls. It was decided to measure the width of all the blowing slits using feeler gauges at 3 inch intervals along each wing, to see if there was any discrepancy from one wing to the other. This was inconclusive so it was decided that the slit dimensions should be rechecked when the ducting along the leading and trailing edges was hot, after an extended ground run, BLC on. There were a few burnt fingers and hands as a result. Unfortunately I can't remember the outcome of the whole exercise.

[LOMCEVAK]

It appears that an ex-Buccaneer pilot has provided the RAF Museum with corrections to the errors in the video and they have posted them on the YouTube page for this video. They have been honest about their mistakes and it appears that they have posted verbatim the information that was passed to them. I believe that they have recorded another video about the Buccaneer featuring a very experienced ex-Buccaneer pilot and nav which should be on their website later this year.

[jumpseater]

. Even then, the concept of it being a repository for study was being overtaken by looking at the "Mum, Dad and two kids on a day out" model which even then,with transport costs, incurred a likely outlay of over £100..

Erm, no.

£100 in 1975 has a comparative value of £850 in today’s world.

[Haraka]

Erm, no.

£100 in 1975 has a comparative value of £850 in today’s world. ,
Told to me directly by Jack Bruce ,which was post 1975, incidentally,(I did say "could be seen coming even in the late 70's) . Bus and train return fares out of London for four, two sets of meals, gift shopping for kids' souvenirs etc.etc.

[NutLoose]

**

Just too nit-picking and not correct.

what’s not correct?

The Buccaneer was a mid-wing, twin-engine aircraft. It had a crew of two in a tandem-seat arrangement with the observer seated higher and offset from the pilot to give a clear view forwards to enable him to assist in visual search. Its operational profile included cruising at altitude (for reduced fuel consumption) before descending, just outside the anticipated enemy radar detection range, to 100 feet (30 m) for a 500-knot (930 km/h; 580 mph)[31] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackburn_Buccaneer#cite_note-gunston-31) dash to and from the target.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackburn_Buccaneer

[typerated]

There is lots more 'comedy' from RAFM videos.

The 109E could out turn the Spitfire 2 because of its leading edge slats - good that!

But my favourite is explaining wing warping here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq2_sOdWkz0

[Haraka]

I think this guy should perhaps consider sticking to demonstrating hats, in order to impress the equally qualified lady director with his abilities.............

[jumpseater]

,
Told to me directly by Jack Bruce ,which was post 1975, incidentally,(I did say "could be seen coming even in the late 70's) . Bus and train return fares out of London for four, two sets of meals, gift shopping for kids' souvenirs etc.etc.

As you didn’t give a date I chose 75 as a median 1970’s date. By chance in assorted memorabilia I have a train ticket Adult Welwyn North to KGX pre 71 price is 5/6d. So allowing for inflation and doubling it to make a return price, 4x adults is roughly £15 spent out of your £850. Even if you take your £100 to 1980 today’s value is roughly £490. My unrestricted monthly rail season ticket in 82 was £45, not a great deal less than my weeks yoof wage packet. £100 pounds mid 70’s even well into the 80’s for a day out would have been an almost unthinkable amount to spend on a single day out in those days for an average family.

[CAEBr]

It's not just the RAFM and the Daily Mail that do comedy. See this article about the SAAF in GW1.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/people/scottish-petrol-station-boss-lists-raf-bomber-jet-for-sale-on-gumtree-for-ps28000-3353378

[Minnie Burner]

It's not just the RAFM and the Daily Mail that do comedy. See this article about the SAAF in GW1.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/people/scottish-petrol-station-boss-lists-raf-bomber-jet-for-sale-on-gumtree-for-ps28000-3353378
"It’s role was later replaced by two aircraft....."
What language is this?