Queen's Birthday Honours List 2021 - Military Division [Archive]

NutLoose

12th Jun 2021, 12:48

Usual verbiage I see of those awarded for everyone else’s work. Totally pointless in the modern times, unless active service awards.

I would rather see an OBE awarded to a street cleaner or sewage worker of 30 years service than a desk jockey who simply gets it for being promoted usually off the backs of others.

downsizer

12th Jun 2021, 13:26

NutLoose

12th Jun 2021, 13:41

True, but one is consistent.

langleybaston

12th Jun 2021, 14:40

True, but one is consistent.

I didn't get an honour in my time either!

NutLoose

12th Jun 2021, 16:03

I wouldn’t want one Langley and like 99% of that list, I didn’t deserve one either.

Cat Techie

12th Jun 2021, 17:47

No DCOS or AOC's commendations published yet. The one thing I look at to see if I know anyone on that list. Then again my pension goes up and gets index linked tomorrow.
I got two commendations in my time. One was not earned. The second one was major extracurricular work so I have no issues in hanging it up. End of the day, just pieces of paper.

Easy Street

12th Jun 2021, 19:17

Cat Techie

12th Jun 2021, 19:28

Kate Bingham was just a “desk jockey” in the vaccine rollout, Nutty: didn’t design any, didn’t do any trials analysis, didn’t jab anyone. You saying she shouldn’t be made a dame on that basis?

She was a political choice. Politically placed and alas a typical Tory inhouse honours job. Personnally she has done nothing outside her paid job to get it IMHO. Unlike all the doctors and nurses that have been in the war zone with dodgy equipment (including my eldest).

langleybaston

12th Jun 2021, 19:34

Easy Street

12th Jun 2021, 19:34

Personnally she has done nothing outside her paid job to get it IMHO. Unlike all the doctors and nurses that have been in the war zone with dodgy equipment (including my eldest).

This argument that people should have to go outside their paid job to earn honours is, ahem, bollocks. You’ve recognised that yourself in the last line: doctors and nurses are doing their paid job. Unfortunately it is a line of thought that has traction in some parts of the military, and that’s why we have some people who are interested in everything except their primary duties. More Kate Bingham-style awards, please.

Cat Techie

12th Jun 2021, 19:39

This argument that people should have to go outside their paid job to earn honours is, ahem, bollocks. You’ve recognised that yourself in the last line: doctors and nurses are doing their paid job. Unfortunately it is a line of thought that has traction in some parts of the military, and that’s why we have some people who are interested in everything except their primary duties. More Kate Bingham-style awards, please.
Married to a Tory MP.. I'll get my coat. You may support corruption. I don't.

Cat Techie

12th Jun 2021, 19:48

I believe that the Damehood was a rather thin award, considering her achievement.

England sport captains and thespians get knighthoods and damehoods. I honestly believe she should have been given a Life Peerage.

Might affect her income. End of the day not a military award either so any arguement is more appropriate to Jet Blast IMHO. A political inhouse award. Most people I know getting MBEs in the military have gone way above and beyond their primary duties to be awarded it.

NutLoose

12th Jun 2021, 19:49

This argument that people should have to go outside their paid job to earn honours is, ahem, bollocks. You’ve recognised that yourself in the last line: doctors and nurses are doing their paid job. Unfortunately it is a line of thought that has traction in some parts of the military, and that’s why we have some people who are interested in everything except their primary duties. More Kate Bingham-style awards, please.

They were putting theirs and their families lives on the line, ( she wasn’t ) day in day out for the last couple of years.

Cat Techie

12th Jun 2021, 20:32

They were putting theirs and their families lives on the line, ( she wasn’t ) day in day out for the last couple of years.
Yeph. The retired around here may have forgotten that.

Nolongerin

13th Jun 2021, 07:36

In order of pride for me,

1. BEM
2. Royal Warrant
3. Queen’s Commission

langleybaston

13th Jun 2021, 17:29

She was a political choice. Politically placed and alas a typical Tory inhouse honours job. Personnally she has done nothing outside her paid job to get it IMHO. Unlike all the doctors and nurses that have been in the war zone with dodgy equipment (including my eldest).

While Public Health England and the NHS [at leadership levels] were like rabbits in the headlights, the appointment of Bingham was a rare success in a bleak saga ............... whereas I don't think any Western government shone in dealing with the Chinese Plague, the Vaccination program - from purchasing to distribution to jabbing has been akin to a victory in a war. Bingham was the successful general in that war.
Her achievement will, directly or indirectly, benefit all Brits, even refuseniks. She was unpaid.
This in comparison to sporting heroes [!!!! heroes !!!!!} or actors is a level above ....... unless you are/were an England cricket supporter, Alistair Cook has done nothing for you or us.

Cat Techie

13th Jun 2021, 22:43

While Public Health England and the NHS [at leadership levels] were like rabbits in the headlights, the appointment of Bingham was a rare success in a bleak saga ............... whereas I don't think any Western government shone in dealing with the Chinese Plague, the Vaccination program - from purchasing to distribution to jabbing has been akin to a victory in a war. Bingham was the successful general in that war.
Her achievement will, directly or indirectly, benefit all Brits, even refuseniks. She was unpaid.
This in comparison to sporting heroes [!!!! heroes !!!!!} or actors is a level above ....... unless you are/were an England cricket supporter, Alistair Cook has done nothing for you or us.
I disagree with you opinions on most subjects. This one included.The NHS has ****e leadership from upstair at the beginning. Try Boris shaking hands with every Covid patient. Your party. Bingham's sucess story was due to the infrastruture that existed below her, not because of her. Alistair Cook has done much charity work you have never seen, or cared about. You done any charity work at all? I did loads for a dying friend that was the finishing statement for my last commendation, not that I was doing the charity work for any other reason than my friend.

Old-Duffer

14th Jun 2021, 17:58

BEagle

14th Jun 2021, 18:18

[...]Answers should not contain the words 'Ah' and 'Um', so much loved by our prime minister! [...]

Nor that strange sound 'ter' which that blustering bastard-breeding buffoon utters instead of 'to'.....

Cat Techie

14th Jun 2021, 18:22

Nor that strange sound 'ter' which that blustering bastard-breeding buffoon utters instead of 'to'.....
Is the correct answer.

langleybaston

14th Jun 2021, 19:14

I disagree with you opinions on most subjects. This one included.The NHS has ****e leadership from upstair at the beginning. Try Boris shaking hands with every Covid patient. Your party. Bingham's sucess story was due to the infrastruture that existed below her, not because of her. Alistair Cook has done much charity work you have never seen, or cared about. You done any charity work at all? I did loads for a dying friend that was the finishing statement for my last commendation, not that I was doing the charity work for any other reason than my friend.

Nothing could make me more happy than to note that you disagree with my opinions.

You apparently need a fact-finder, an editor, and a proof-reader. Please ask someone else, the job looks difficult.

Union Jack

14th Jun 2021, 21:34

I suspect that some of you have missed the last two words of the title of this thread.:= Jet Blast beckons....

Jack

langleybaston

14th Jun 2021, 21:59

I suspect that some of you have missed the last two words of the title of this thread.:= Jet Blast beckons....

Jack

Have a look back up stream and note who did not introduce the subject of Dame Kate.
After that the thread became uninformed prejudice versus reasoned argument. based on facts.

Training Risky

15th Jun 2021, 10:04

MBE: My Blokes Efforts.
OBE: Other Blokes Efforts.
CBE: Carried by Blokes Efforts.

You don't have to be good at your job to get one. Just say the right things when the right people are listening.

Union Jack

15th Jun 2021, 10:50

Have a look back up stream and note who did not introduce the subject of Dame Kate.
After that the thread became uninformed prejudice versus reasoned argument. based on facts.
You, Sir, were not a "suspect"!:D

Jack

Hueymeister

15th Jun 2021, 11:11

Well done Bunny James.

Cat Techie

15th Jun 2021, 11:49

Have a look back up stream and note who did not introduce the subject of Dame Kate.
After that the thread became uninformed prejudice versus reasoned argument. based on facts.

Someone mentioned corrupt political awards. I will get my coat.

Avtur

15th Jun 2021, 19:02

Same old negative comments we endure twice yearly. Congratulations to all the Military personnel who received an award.

Union Jack

15th Jun 2021, 21:30

Same old negative comments we endure twice yearly. Congratulations to all the Military personnel who received an award.
Regrettably often coming from the same people.

Jack

NutLoose

15th Jun 2021, 21:53

Same old negative comments we endure twice yearly. Congratulations to all the Military personnel who received an award.

Well, I’m sorry, but there are a heck of a lot more deserved people to be awarded, nurses and doctors that have been on the COVID frontline for the past couple of years, often living apart from their families to try and protect them, and then there are those medical staff that died in the fight, they are the ones that truly deserve these awards, not some senior officer that have received it for being promoted.

The country needs to recognise and recognise in bucketloads those that are “at war” with this disease to protect us all.

Big Unit Specialist

16th Jun 2021, 07:06

Nutloose,
you do realise that you can nominate someone worthy of an award don’t you? Stop moaning and put your money where your mouth is.

Training Risky

16th Jun 2021, 07:52

Well, I’m sorry, but there are a heck of a lot more deserved people to be awarded, nurses and doctors that have been on the COVID frontline for the past couple of years, often living apart from their families to try and protect them, and then there are those medical staff that died in the fight, they are the ones that truly deserve these awards, not some senior officer that have received it for being promoted.

The country needs to recognise and recognise in bucketloads those that are “at war” with this disease to protect us all.
Hear hear.

Thank the lord that AVM Bunny James' vital war-winning work as Gender Champion has been recognised and his he/him pronouns are in his bio.

(/sarcasm)

teeteringhead

16th Jun 2021, 08:44

you do realise that you can nominate someone worthy of an award don’t you? Having successfully nominated a few people in the past, (never got anything much myself) on the most recent form of application I noted a new change. I had to put in my "gender" and "ethnicity" and also that of the person I was recommending.................

NutLoose

16th Jun 2021, 09:12

Nutloose,
you do realise that you can nominate someone worthy of an award don’t you? Stop moaning and put your money where your mouth is.

Yes the military's old "you recommend me for a CBE and I will put you in for an OBE old chap"

Unfortunately the form does not include a section to put forward who you think shouldn't be recognised.

Big Unit Specialist

16th Jun 2021, 17:57

No, you misunderstand me; if you are so convinced frontline health workers deserve an award then get off your arse and nominate them. If you don’t who will?

MPN11

16th Jun 2021, 18:51

Having successfully nominated a few people in the past, (never got anything much myself) on the most recent form of application I noted a new change. I had to put in my "gender" and "ethnicity" and also that of the person I was recommending.................
I declined to participate in the regular 6-monthly winge-fest here, but that one really shocked me. How sad that “Merit” is now seemingly quota-allocated.

NutLoose

16th Jun 2021, 19:13

No, you misunderstand me; if you are so convinced frontline health workers deserve an award then get off your arse and nominate them. If you don’t who will?

l know I have in the past.

teeteringhead

16th Jun 2021, 19:31

I declined to participate in the regular 6-monthly winge-fest here, but that one really shocked me. How sad that “Merit” is now seemingly quota-allocated.
MPN11 - although I have to say that particular one was successful (MBE) despite the fact that we were both "stale white males"!

MPN11

16th Jun 2021, 19:45

MPN11 - although I have to say that particular one was successful (MBE) despite the fact that we were both "stale white males"!If memory serves me, I got the ISM for the Head Chef/Cook in the Mess many years ago. Sadly no other 'notable individuals' came under my purview in my time.

langleybaston

16th Jun 2021, 21:55

I declined to participate in the regular 6-monthly winge-fest here, but that one really shocked me. How sad that “Merit” is now seemingly quota-allocated.

"Yes but"

There have always been allocations. My recommendation to MBE for a marvellous twilight years effort by an under-promoted and over-performing Met. man got a tick in every box as it went up the chain ....... I was told that it was successful: and then came the Falklands in the same year.
Result:: the MBE went to a Met man actively engaged in supporting the task force, and I was told it was all about quotas and rationing. "We cannot have two".

I always refused thereafter to put anyone up.

There is much to like about the principle of honours, and much to dislike about the application.

To declare an interest, the man who filled my pencilled-in post before me got an OBE. The man who actually succeeded him likewise. Meanwhile, having slithered away towards the sharp end, I had six years at the top of my career, and no OBE. No contest! Result!

Cat Techie

16th Jun 2021, 22:57

"Yes but"

There have always been allocations. My recommendation to MBE for a marvellous twilight years effort by an under-promoted and over-performing Met. man got a tick in every box as it went up the chain ....... I was told that it was successful: and then came the Falklands in the same year.
Result:: the MBE went to a Met man actively engaged in supporting the task force, and I was told it was all about quotas and rationing. "We cannot have two".

I always refused thereafter to put anyone up.

There is much to like about the principle of honours, and much to dislike about the application.

To declare an interest, the man who filled my pencilled-in post before me got an OBE. The man who actually succeeded him likewise. Meanwhile, having slithered away towards the sharp end, I had six years at the top of my career, and no OBE. No contest! Result!

Yet Michael Fish got an MBE and missed a Hurricane (Use of wrong word, very strong cyclonic depression) :E

Whenurhappy

17th Jun 2021, 10:20

My vote goes to Kate Bingham.

Of course there are many others whose contribution needs to be remarked. My 'exam' question is: "Contrast and compare the contribution played by Kate Bingham and Baroness Dido Harding to defeating Covid". Answers should not contain the words 'Ah' and 'Um', so much loved by our prime minister!

Old Duffer
Although Dido was appointed because she was 'good at games' (and married to a Conservative MP) she was amazingly resilient in her role and rolled out an amazing PCR, LFD and genomic sequence network, unrivalled elsewhere, except by Israel.

langleybaston

17th Jun 2021, 16:10

Yet Michael Fish got an MBE and missed a Hurricane (Use of wrong word, very strong cyclonic depression) :E

FACTS not FOAMING

Fish was awarded the MBE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_British_Empire) in 2004 for services to broadcasting. He was compulsorily retired by the Civil Service

Regarding the "Hurricane", it was an institutional failure, reflecting the state of the science at the time, compounded by ill-chosen presentation.
As far as I am aware, no other Met. service in Europe called it well enough.

Cat Techie

18th Jun 2021, 00:14

FACTS not FOAMING

Fish was awarded the MBE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_British_Empire) in 2004 for services to broadcasting. He was compulsorily retired by the Civil Service

Regarding the "Hurricane", it was an institutional failure, reflecting the state of the science at the time, compounded by ill-chosen presentation.
As far as I am aware, no other Met. service in Europe called it well enough.

Sustained winds of 75 MPH is I believe is one of minima on definations, usually only developing with the structure of a tropical cyclone. . Storm with Hurricane force gusts was the October 87 event, I was down at the entrance of the Solent last summer when Storm Ellen came through. 71 MPH gusts at the Needles and I was was at Milton. Word for the day was Anemometer. A good blow.

Asturias56

18th Jun 2021, 08:23

langleybaston

18th Jun 2021, 10:04

I was out in the middle of the N Sea during the day before - the forecast wasn't too bad at 09:00 that morning but by 15:00 it was getting breezy and we decided to fly back to the mainland - by 22:00 it was getting rough. It really did develop very fast
There was a lot of soul searching by Met. One weakness identified was PR. Some senior people interviewd did very badly and made a bad situation worse.
It was decided to create a core group of staff "licenced" to give interviews to media.
A short list was given training and testing by TV professionals, and a very short list were authorised.
I made the cut: "not a natural but will not let the side down. Trustworthy and professional!"
The remit included "expert witness" in court cases.
Not a part of the job spec that I enjoyed.