EASA licence for U.K. national with PPL

[B61]

I have a student with a U.K. PPL who has passed all the ATPL exams with Austro Control and wants to continue to get a EASA CPL/IR.

Reason is that even if living and working in the U.K. what if they end up working for an airline which requires an EASA licence.

As a first step, can they apply and get an EASA licence as a PPL? Or should they wait until they have completed all training and then just supply logbook hours, exam and skill test passes, and their now ICAO PPL, and supply medical records, so get a CPL/IR?

Student has a Class 1 which was EASA but now is not, so could they do a “new” Class 1 with an EASA examiner say with IAA authorisation and in effect create a medical record from scratch rather than doing a transfer?

[Genghis the Engineer]

They don't need an EASA licence, just an ICAO PPL to start the CPL flight training, as I understand it, so the UK PPL is fine.

I'd have thought that if they've passed the EASA writtens, then they should check if those are accepted by the UK, then look to use an FTO and examiner who are dual UK & EASA, and just put in two sets of paperwork. I think that EASA countries often (always?) do not accept flying training done outside of EASA countries, so those will probably have to be outside the UK - but I', unaware of any problems with the CAA accepting that.

I can't see any way around having two medicals eventually, but there are AMEs who are rated both with UK CAA and at least one EASA country (Centreline at Gatwick are one such, plus FAA, who I happen to know of), so that can again be one examination, then just two sets of paperwork.

[portsharbourflyer]

B61,

I would suggest this to your student, Ryanair is the really the only option for a low houred UK national with an EASA license, and even then that will be flying for Ryanair from a UK base.
As a UK national he/she (best add whatever they may identify as) wont have the automatic right to work in Europe, the chances of getting a visa in the next few years will be non existent.
If the exams were completed after 31/12/2020 they wont be recongnised by the UK CAA for UK Part FCL issue.

Even when the UK was in EASA the language requirement imposed by alot of EU operators stopped UK applicants applying. So why on earth do they think they will end up flying for an airline in the EU on an EASA license. This happens alot UK students are getting this obsession with the need to have an EASA license, when outside of Ryanair it will be near useless for them.

[Genghis the Engineer]

Whilst PHF is correct now I'd venture that there may come points in the future when that lapsed EASA licence will be very useful, since it's a lot easier to revalidate a lapsed licence, than it is to start from scratch, particularly if perhaps it's ten years since you passed your writtens. I'm with the student hedging their bets for the medium to long term.

[Booglebox]

Ryanair is the really the only option for a low houred UK national with an EASA license

My understanding is that all RYR UK based aircraft are G-reg, on their UK AOC... so how would an EASA license work?

[FlyingStone]

They are not. Ryanair UK AOC only lists 2 aircraft (https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Ryanair%20UK-active-b737ng.htm) - G-RUKA and G-RUKB.

[selfin]

As a UK national he/she ... wont have the automatic right to work in Europe...

Except in the Republic of Ireland where British citizens have largely the same rights as Irish citizens.

[portsharbourflyer]

Genghis,

Without a UK Part FCL in the short term they wont be able to apply for any work on the G Reg (remember the two year validation only applies to EASA licences issued prior to the 30/12/2020) , In this situation the EASA license this student receives gives no entitlement to fly on the G reg without redoing the exams and flight tests. There was no mention they were doing both EASA and UK Part FCL, my understanding of the post is they were doing EASA only. I also made an assumption the exams have been completed after 31/12/2020 in which case Austoro exams have no UK credit.

There are schools giving the option of doing both side by side, which I don't dispute is a sensible approach to take.

Most UK Pilots seem to forget that after 2022 all the UK airlines will only be able to employ UK Part FCL holders so the "pool" of pilots to recruit from for UK airlines will be significantly smaller.

Selfin, good point, but a UK national with a UK Part FCL license will have a larger pool of employment opportunities (assuming a post covid recovery at some point) being able to fly on the G Reg, than limited to flying only on the EU reg for Ryanair, Stobart, ASL and Cityjet.

[B61]

My understanding is that if you have an EASA licence issued after 1st Jan 2021, the CAA will issue a U.K. CPL as a paperwork exercise until the end of 2022.

EASA will not reciprocate.

So for now an EaSA licence is a no-brainer.

[deltahotel]

EASA to UK applies if the EASA licence issue date is before end 2020, I believe.

As of 1 April 2021, a new licence application process will be available to pilots, instructors and examiners who previously held a UK issued Part-FCL/BFCL/SFCL Licence. A similar process will also apply to EASA licence holders whose licence date of initial issue is prior to 31 December 2020. This process will remain in place until December 2022.

From CAA website

https://www.caa.co.uk/Commercial-industry/Pilot-licences/Non-UK-licences/Conversion-of-an-EASA-flight-crew-licence-to-a-UK-part-equivalent-licence/

[portsharbourflyer]

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