RAF Documentary - Sat 13 Feb.

[polecat2]

On the "Talking Pictures" channel (Sky 328) tomorrow (Saturday 13 Feb) at 15.15 - "RAF" a documentary film made in 1935. Apparently it features recruit training and aircraft of the period. May be of interest.

Polecat

[ExAscoteer2]

FreeSat Ch 306, FreeView Chan 81.

[NutLoose]

Cool I’ll keep a look out for some of you :E

[longer ron]

This one ?

We only have limited freeview channels from our transmitter so thank the lord for youtube.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgwAphuwPMY&ab_channel=scarybear

[Kiltrash]

Virgin Media Ch 445

[NutLoose]

I take it the start is Halton, certainly looks like the old place.

[zetec2]

Certainly looked like it

[Warmtoast]

Being repeated on Wednesday 17th February at 16.25.

[VictorGolf]

Thanks for flagging this up, it was a real time capsule, especially the 9 Hawker Furies in formation.. Not being an aerobatic pilot of any sort, could somebody enlighten me as to how you do the "line abreast" formation with 9 aircraft? I believe the Canadian Snowbirds do it with their Tutors. I thought the ""cross" shape and the 3 vics of three aircraft might give the Arrows some new ideas perhaps.

[kintyred]

Fascinating. Not a monoplane in sight. The Germans must have been quaking in their boots to see the modern RAF in action.

[Union Jack]

Cool I’ll keep a look out for some of you :E
Any sign of Section Officer Maggie Harvey?:hmm:

Jack

[langleybaston]

Just close your eyes ....................

[NutLoose]

Thanks for flagging this up, it was a real time capsule, especially the 9 Hawker Furies in formation.. Not being an aerobatic pilot of any sort, could somebody enlighten me as to how you do the "line abreast" formation with 9 aircraft? I believe the Canadian Snowbirds do it with their Tutors. I thought the ""cross" shape and the 3 vics of three aircraft might give the Arrows some new ideas perhaps.


i was wondering if Bader was in one of them lol.

[polecat2]

Bader's crash was in 1931 so he wouldn't be there. But when we saw shots of the Hawker Fury pilots in their cockpits I did wonder how many would still be alive five or six years later.

[Finningley Boy]

1935, a period of time for British Military activities which has for many decades been scarcely touched, certainly relatively, on by popular historic endeavour. Its about time there was more reflection and review of the era often lightly referred to as "between the war years". As Polecat says, how many of the young fellahs in the film got to see the outbreak of war, or indeed, the end of the war, which at the time,1935, all were hoping and expecting not to materialise?

FB

PS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDbsDPEcehw

The haunting sound of Ralph Vaughan Williams Symphony No. 6 was always the most evocative of WWII.

[MPN11]

Oh, lovely! Thanks for the link, longer ron!

At c. 22:00, is that hump on the carrier deck an early form of ski-jump?!

[exMudmover]

LINE ABREAST FORMATION

Line abreast is like any other line formation (echelon, line astern, etc.), The leader flies straight and level and the pilot next in line lines up known formation reference points to ensure the correct angle – and also flies the correct separation. The next pilot in the line merely has to line up the head of the No2 and the lead’s head , and he is also in the right place. And so on for any more on the end of the line. The longer the line and the more turbulent the air, the more difficult it gets as the line bounces around in the air currents. If the guys on the inside of the line fly roughly then it becomes very difficult for the people on the end.



If the leader wants to start manoeuvring then the fun really starts! If the lead turns into the line then the poor suckers on the end have to push down hard to keep the line straight. I was once nearly flown into the Caribbean by a poor leader who turned into the echelon when we were very low over the sea doing a flyby of a ship.

[VictorGolf]

Thanks "mudmover" for the explanation. I hope it's not a further daft question but in a 9-abreast formation would the leader be in "position" number 1 or number 5 i.e. in the middle of the line?

[Quietplease]

Haven't seen the film yet. I found this under some old lino I was ripping up in 1964. Work stopped whilst I read this and a long article on the Hendon Airshow.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/580x2000/d4df20f0_a2f0_4351_95fb_a896d84a80ab_9a58ae2c9e341c60d0bbf6d dd24f823cd10cc9d9.jpeg

[sycamore]

VictorGolf, Ihope the pic shows how it would be flown..I don`t see aircraft`numbered` on the video but the Leaders a/c has a dark coloured fin; other formations at the time had coloured streamers on the wing struts.There will be differences of opinion as to how it is done `now` in the modern Forces...On the r/h pic there are `alternative numbering`,but that depends on how the `Leader `decides at the `briefing`....briefing,wot briefing`?!!!

The pic on the left shows `the `Plan` that we would use at the` Formation school`week held at N Weald, a few years ago,mainly for those who wanted to learn `formation `flying on Yaks,Chipmunks Harvards,or jets...We did actually fly a 15-ship(mixed bag) around Essex on a few occasions...the `scatter-plan` was a `bomburst` with smoke...!!
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1460/2021_02_15_161027_formn__ff459967623ae0d5c49f8b0cb10d6a0261b 7d00d.jpg
Others may comment...!

[MPN11]

Ah, “Break, Break, GO”

A Javelin 4-ship running in to the Tengah circuit in Echelon. The hyphenated leader called “Break, Break, GO ... NOW”. The echelon wobbled a bit, but got it sorted out eventually.

[VictorGolf]

Thanks sycamore, that's very helpful. I remember seeing the dissimilar formations out of North Weald. Very impressive to a non-formation flyer like me.

[exMudmover]

Middle of the line is where he should be