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capngrog
11th Jan 2021, 15:04
Here's a link to the Aviation Safety Network report on the crash near Pine Grove, Oregon, USA on 09 January, 2021. The aircraft left quite an impressive impact crater, and both people aboard are presumed dead.

The link to the ASN Report:

https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20210109-1

R.I.P. those aboard.

Regards,
Grog

capngrog
11th Jan 2021, 15:06
Here's a link to the Kathryn's Report on the crash which has some video and more information:

Kathryn's Report: Cessna Citation 560: N3RB / N561EJ (http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2021/01/cessna-560-citation-v-fatal-accident.html)

Regards,
Grog

capngrog
12th Jan 2021, 15:09
Here's some data from Flight Aware. It looks like a gradual right turn developed into a tight spiraling descent, resulting in a high speed impact.

I'm unable to post the actual visuals, but here's the link: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N3RB

I'm puzzled that I'm the only one posting on this thread.

Regards,
Grog

Spooky 2
12th Jan 2021, 15:48
I have yet to see any additional information regarding this accident. No names, nor any further details. the picture would seem to back up the term "smoking hole' though.

Booglebox
12th Jan 2021, 17:17
Whole flight profile just looks weird. Suicide?

Foxxster
13th Jan 2021, 03:02
Read the comments in the video also. Then make up your own mind,

apparently this is the guy, Richard Boehlke. https://en.wikipedia-on-ipfs.org/wiki/Harbor_Airlines.html

and there is this. http://www.mafhoum.com/press3/100P9.htm
Seemingly coincidentally, the Israelis had been pulled over in Oak Harbor, Wa., home of a commuter airline which had been run by the business partner of Venice flight school owner Rudi Dekkers.

Harbor Air—known locally as the "Navy’s airline" because its function was to serve personnel flying in and out of the nearby Naval Air Station—was owned by one Richard Boehlke, a con artist extraordinaire, even by the standards of the Venice Magic Dutch Boy. (http://www.madcowprod.com/archive.htm)

Dekkers’ connection with Boehlke is, of course, of intense interest to anyone interested in possible ‘global networks’ aiding the terrorists, since Boehlke had recently participated in the massive Mob-led ($352 million) looting of pension funds in Portland, Or., (http://209.61.200.134/Oregon_LIUNA_Abbott_7-30-00.htm) another non-story you probably haven’t read about.

Dekkers, of course, is the Dutch national owner of a Venice flight school with the unique distinction of having, for sums far in excess of normal, trained both of the pilots crashing airplanes into the World Trade Center.

Together with Boehlke, he started an unsuccessful airline, Florida Air, whose only accomplishment, other than having been publicly endorsed by Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris, seems to be to have provided a rationale for the presence of several British Aerospace Jetstreams poised on the tarmac of an airport within easy reach of Caribbean hot spots.

Still, what—if anything—do Richard Boehlke and Rudi Dekkers have to do with Israelis running around in empty Budget rental trucks containing traces of TNT and plastic explosives?




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XYdBjStacY

global2express
13th Jan 2021, 13:20
VASAviation has published a video with the ATC audio from the accident on YouTube, the pilot's slurred speech hints towards hypoxia in my opinion.

EatMyShorts!
13th Jan 2021, 17:43
Rather a stroke or under the influence of something, willingly or unwillingly.

Timmy Tomkins
14th Jan 2021, 13:37
Smacks of the Helios crash. Failed to pressurise, pilot passed out etc?

nonsense
14th Jan 2021, 14:21
... the pilot's slurred speech hints towards hypoxia in my opinion.
https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20210109-1
"The aircraft was cleared to climb to FL230 by Seattle Center but continued to climb until it reached FL310 twenty minutes after takeoff. At that point ADS-B records show that the aircraft began a descending right hand turn that ended in the aircraft spiraling down until it impacted terrain."

capngrog
14th Jan 2021, 17:50
VASAviation has published a video with the ATC audio from the accident on YouTube, the pilot's slurred speech hints towards hypoxia in my opinion.

Here's a link to the video and ATC audio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkJ_I0USC0c

The pilot's "slurred" speech seems to begin just a few minutes after takeoff, when he started to descend, resulting in an altitude alert from the controller. "Slurred" speech can be caused by several things, among them physical exhaustion, hypoxia, intoxication, stroke et.al. I don't know if "suicide by airplane" had anything to do with this crash, but according to Foxxster, the pilot had an interesting background.

I suspect that this will be a very challenging investigation.

Regards,
Grog

Old Boeing Driver
17th Jan 2021, 11:43
Apparently there were 2 souls on board. A/C was cleared to FL230, but continued to FL310 when control was lost....according to this article.....

https://www.baaa-acro.com/crash/crash-cessna-560-citation-v-near-dant-2-killed

EatMyShorts!
17th Jan 2021, 13:31
Yes, that's what the VAS Aviation video explained as well ;)

Spooky 2
17th Jan 2021, 19:11
Has the passenger been identified?

Old Boeing Driver
18th Jan 2021, 19:40
Yes, that's what the VAS Aviation video explained as well ;)
By the way, where is 'Gernany" as your location?

compton3bravo
21st Jan 2021, 17:45
Old Boeing Driver Germany is country in Europe which your country fought against in two world wars coming in at half-time!

His dudeness
21st Jan 2021, 20:21
Old Boeing Driver Germany is country in Europe which your country fought against in two world wars coming in at half-time!

okay, now we know.

Who fought Gernany and when ? More pressing, did you cheat the Gernans in Wembley as well ?

compton3bravo
22nd Jan 2021, 08:57
Cheat dear boy, that wouldn't be cricket would it!

Old Boeing Driver
22nd Jan 2021, 09:12
Old Boeing Driver Germany is country in Europe which your country fought against in two world wars coming in at half-time!

I know that. The poster was kind enough to point out something simple and obvious, that I had missed.......I was simply returning the favor.

EatMyShorts!
22nd Jan 2021, 17:41
lol

I live in a secret country! Or nobody has spotted an obvious typing error for something like 10 years.

Old Boeing Driver
23rd Jan 2021, 13:11
And now, back to the thread.......

Have there been any reports as to who the passenger was, and if he/she was a pilot?

EatMyShorts!
23rd Jan 2021, 17:05
Yes, his name was mentioned earlier on this thread: Richard Boehlke, some kind of conman and it is suspected that it was suicide.

https://youtu.be/xMPPIv1cTNA

Old Boeing Driver
23rd Jan 2021, 17:18
Yes, his name was mentioned earlier on this thread: Richard Boehlke, some kind of conman and it is suspected that it was suicide.

https://youtu.be/xMPPIv1cTNA
I thought Boehlke was the pilot, He has a Private certificate with a couple of type rates, but not in the accident airplane..

His background is quite interesting. I vaguely remember his partner, Rudi Dekker from very many years ago. I think he wanted to charter a VIP 707 we had.

Edit: I see that the video and other info do say he was the pilot....very interesting video. Thanks for posting.

Spooky 2
24th Jan 2021, 16:08
Boehike was the pilot of record.Still have not heard the identification of the other person. Strange.

Foxxster
21st Feb 2021, 06:03
Update.

take it or leave it..

https://youtu.be/LlACTJuej8s

atr-drivr
21st Feb 2021, 11:28
I thought Boehlke was the pilot, He has a Private certificate with a couple of type rates, but not in the accident airplane..

His background is quite interesting. I vaguely remember his partner, Rudi Dekker from very many years ago. I think he wanted to charter a VIP 707 we had.

Edit: I see that the video and other info do say he was the pilot....very interesting video. Thanks for posting.

OBD, that wouldn’t be N88ZL would it?

Old Boeing Driver
23rd Feb 2021, 12:30
OBD, that wouldn’t be N88ZL would it?
No. N220AM http://www.adastron.com/707/qantas/airmark.htm