View Full Version : Adaptiv, the future of camouflage
NutLoose
2nd Jan 2021, 09:55
How cool or warm ;) is this, changing a vehicle, ship or aircraft IR signature to look like something else.
https://www.baesystems.com/en/feature/adativ-cloak-of-invisibility
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/710x401/image_ff13458f8aa73fc9d13412c1436cca6b30a06502.jpeg
that’s a tank made to look like a car.
charliegolf
2nd Jan 2021, 10:29
Or it's a tank AND a car!
CG
Looks like it changes tree lines to me to...amazing :E
ShyTorque
2nd Jan 2021, 10:44
I remember this technology being discussed in the late 1970s, I think in Flight International magazine.
Corporal Clott
2nd Jan 2021, 10:52
I remember this technology being discussed in the late 1970s, I think in Flight International magazine.
Yes, there was a Tornado (F2 I think) put on a pole at Farnborough (again I think) with lights on along its leading edges - these lights would match the background brightness and so reduce the contrast of the aircraft shape. I remember seeing a video of the trial on an EW course many years ago. Head on you couldn’t see it from a mile away - pretty impressive, but very expensive to maintain (this is before the day of LED lighting that lasts for many years and is more robust). I guess Adaptiv has taken it to the next level - robust, light and also provides an IR capability.
racedo
2nd Jan 2021, 10:59
The future of camo is to make the opposition believe it is there when it isn't and vice versa.
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Being able to use their minds against them is way better than spending billions on equipment.
trim it out
2nd Jan 2021, 11:01
Article is slightly confusing, mentioning the battlefield in one paragraph and peace keeping in another. Isn't peace keeping meant to be overt rather than trying to make an IFV look like a cow through TI while still sounding like an IFV?
Yes, there was a Tornado (F2 I think) put on a pole at Farnborough (again I think) with lights on along its leading edges - these lights would match the background brightness and so reduce the contrast of the aircraft shape. I remember seeing a video of the trial on an EW course many years ago. Head on you couldn’t see it from a mile away - pretty impressive, but very expensive to maintain (this is before the day of LED lighting that lasts for many years and is more robust). I guess Adaptiv has taken it to the next level - robust, light and also provides an IR capability.
There was the trial with a Harrier ( GR5/7/9?) with lights inside the intakes - turn them on and it disappeared. Impressive with that frontal profile.
On more recent trials with tanks....https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9104529/War-Gaming-British-Army-unveils-new-pixelated-Minecraft-style-digital-camouflage.html
I believe that there was a Royal Navy Trial Houdini in the 70s (?) using the F4. Same principle but the lights were connected to a rear-facing light-sensor, so that they could be varied to match the background - but I might be wrong.
Mog
Not Houdini - Yehudi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehudi_lights#Later_developments
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/360x236/phantomyehudi_cc8da1e360c897a63cbd67ee5188819532b188c2.jpg
https://jmrc.tripod.com/fa/stealth/stealth3.htm
I did hear in a past life that there was a proposal to put lights into the intakes of the Harrier...as the large black intakes were highly visible when head on.
If they are relying on the picture in the opening post to sell their wares they won't last long. Different vehicle, different location, different trees - unless it is a Star Trek Transporter-like device?:E
NutLoose
3rd Jan 2021, 17:40
Blimey it was 2011 when they released the images, see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlLqdFsMnCE
NutLoose
3rd Jan 2021, 17:50
And as for invisibility cloaks, see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsR14D5FzsM
Dan Gerous
3rd Jan 2021, 18:24
I can't be the only one thinking, WTF is a vovlo doing in a tank battle. :confused:
Bksmithca
3rd Jan 2021, 19:12
I can't be the only one thinking, WTF is a vovlo doing in a tank battle. :confused:
Target practise
trim it out
3rd Jan 2021, 19:22
Blimey it was 2011 when they released the images, see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlLqdFsMnCE
Just had a cursory Google search, haven't seen much development on the concept since the mid twentyteens. Guess it's been put in the box for now due to costs/capability out stripping the requirement perhaps?
Haraka
4th Jan 2021, 08:16
Counter illumination to minimise detection goes back Donkeys Years
diginagain
4th Jan 2021, 09:22
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/564x377/8dd81bc3a3ae02c2585e9f46b450d879_65609bc5df86e116d37db86e6b4 a17ff22f8d7b9.jpg
Green Flash
4th Jan 2021, 10:25
'Any friendlies at grid ref ABC123?'
'Nope'
'Brimstone, 1 round, in your own time, carry on'
bobward
4th Jan 2021, 16:42
Judging by the number of cars that pull out in front of me, I must have had this cloaking technology for years.....
Shields up against incoming.
Lordflasheart
7th Jan 2021, 17:57
...
"The future of camo is to ........"
.... to disguise the fact that our side won't be going to Tank-Savers for an APS (such as Trophy or Iron Fist) to protect MBTs and APCs.
Have the Brits trialled their stuff against or with any APS ? No wonder they're trying to flog off the last few MBTs
https://www.pprune.org/military-aviation/635032-uk-army-stop-using-tanks-2.html (https://www.pprune.org/military-aviation/635032-uk-army-stop-using-tanks-2.html)
Should go to Tank-Savers.
LFH
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