Aberdeen-3

[Richard Taylor]

ABZ & the city it serves have long swung on the price of a barrel - booming in the good times, famine in the bad. This one though on the back of COVID & the lack of enthusiasm for fossil fuels will be especially grim. Europe's oil capital will not be Europe's renewables capital or anywhere near it, that is for sure.

[SWBKCB]

It's not like everywhere else is booming... :(

[Rob Royston]

The new harbour works would suggest that there is life in the old dog yet.

[Asturias56]

I hear that all this, on top of the recession from 2014-2018 in oil is really crucifying local companies

[VickersVicount]

TUI gone for rest of summer

[Porrohman]

News report of a Typhoon making an emergency landing at Aberdeen this afternoon. Low fuel perhaps? There was a Voyager KC2 operating E and SE of Aberdeen this morning but it started heading back to BZZ just after midday.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/raf-fighter-jet-forced-make-22436518

[CabinCrewe]

EZY ABZ-LGW back for S21
...Before anyone says #SlotSitter

[xraydice]

And due to "lack of demand" May flights are filling up fast, been on this morning and got 3rd choice !

[davidjohnson6]

Covid: Job fears as Tui reduces summer flights from Aberdeen
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-56194305

[Asturias56]

Oil price is crawling up a bit which should help as well

[PAXboy]

Hi folks, when did domestic service start from ABZ? It must have been soley to LHR to begin with and must have been very expensive? Which carriers?
Genuinely asking for a friend!

[renfrew]

There were services to Orkney and Shetland by Aberdeen Airways and Highland Airways from around 1935.
BEA arrived from Northolt in 1947.
Also a Scottish Airways/Railway Air Services flight to Glasgow and Northolt from late 1946.

[northsands]

Highland Airways were the first; they began summer-only schedules to Wick/Orkney in May 1934, using a landing ground at Seaton, and subsequently at Kintore. Dyce was developed by competitor Aberdeen (later Allied) Airways, whose first attempt at scheduled service was to Glasgow in Sept 1934 (for a fare of £3.25), but this was not sustained. Aberdeen launched their own Thurso/Orkney schedule in May 1935, and both airlines extended to Sumburgh from June 1936.

It was first briefly possible to fly between Aberdeen & London for a few weeks in June/July 1935, when Aberdeen Airways ran a schedule to Edinburgh, timed to connect with a North Eastern Airways service onwards to Heston, via Newcastle & Leeds. The combined fare would have been the equivalent of £7.62.

The first through-plane Aberdeen to London schedule was operated by North Eastern between Apr & Oct 1937, once-daily (except Sundays) from Dyce to Croydon, via Perth*, Newcastle* & Doncaster (*on demand only), at a fare of £6.50, using Airspeed Envoy aircraft. If no request calls were made, the end-to-end air journey time could be as little as 3½ hours. Aberdeen service was then suspended because the airline was unhappy with the lack of local radio aids, but a similar schedule later resumed for a few months in the summer of 1939.

Allied Airways continued service from Aberdeen to Orkney & Shetland throughout WW2.

Post-war, Railway Air Services (in conjunction with Scottish Airways) began a daily Dyce to Northolt schedule in Nov 1946, flown by Dakota via Glasgow (fare now £8.50), with the airline taken over by BEA from Feb 1947. From May 1947, flights switched to operate via Edinburgh, and many were through flights from (at first) Shetland or (later) Orkney. After Oct 1948, through London service was suspended for the next 3½ years, other than a short re-appearance in summer 1950. It returned for five years between 1952 to 1957, switching from Northolt to Heathrow in Nov 1954, still by Dakota and always via intermediate stops.

Nationalised carrier BEA was from 1947 to 1969 the only airline flying domestic schedules from Aberdeen, having also taken over the former Allied routes to Wick/Orkney/Shetland, as well as (for a short while) a service Scottish Airways had begun in Oct 1946 from Dyce to Inverness & Stornoway. At various times, BEA operated schedules to Glasgow, Edinburgh, Manchester & Birmingham, mostly as en-route calls on the London service or as extensions of Northern Isles routes. For a few summers in the late 1950s, they also flew a Jersey seasonal Dakota schedule, operated via Edinburgh.

BEA re-started Aberdeen to London service in Nov 1963, with a nonstop Viscount schedule to Heathrow, at first just once a day; jets (One-Eleven) first appeared from 1973, from which year the service was re-branded under British Airways titles. Birmingham & Manchester services were re-introduced by BA in 1974, and also the first Gatwick schedule in 1977.

Other airlines were gradually licenced to fly domestic schedules ex ABZ from the late 60s onwards, the first being Channel Airways, whose 1969 ‘Scottish Flyer’ East Coast Viscount route to Southend with 6 or 7 en-route stops lasted just ten months. Air Anglia provided sustained services from late 1970 onwards, initially to Norwich by Dakota (later F27), and then other East Coast points. Loganair flew an Islander to Inverness between mid-1972 & early 1975, and a BOAC-liveried Viscount operated by Cambrian provided a schedule to Prestwick for connecting international pax from Dec 1972 onwards. Dan-Air (already a major Dyce presence on oil charters) began a weekly summer seasonal Isle of Man HS748 schedule from 1975. Air Ecosse took over the Wick route from BA in 1979, using a Bandeirante.

These were just the first of many, with nearly forty other airline names having since provided domestic services out of Dyce, from where in total more than fifty airfields have received schedules over the years.

[PAXboy]

Brilliant - thanks very much.

[rob39]

Noticed past couple of days Sun-Air doing a daily BLL - ABZ - BLL Contract work ?

[CaptainDoony]

Looks to be two domestics both launching 9th July from ABZ

BRS - 4x weekly (1x3x5x7)
MAN - 4x weekly (1x3x5x7)

Both on sale currently until end of S21 - A320 equipment

I remember there were rumours of a daily MAN route last year that never came to anything too.

[Atlantic Explorer]

That’s going to hurt Loganair a bit.

[CabinCrewe]

EZY will gather the scraps, LM will suffer short term. EZY will move back to the Benidorms and LM will reestablish. Suspect neither will make money on this. 180 seats on an A320 ?! going to be some cheap fares.

[EI-BUD]

If easyJet can generate more income from operating such routes than it would with the aircraft parked, then it's the right thing to do. Clearly when international flying recovers to the extent that the fleet has gainful work, they will try lots of routes that ordinarily before they wouldn't have considered.

[jmdavies86]

In the wake of Stobart Air's demise, Loganair are going to be offering ABZ-DUB flights x4-weekly on Mon, Thu, Fri & Sun; due to go daily from S22.

https://www.aberdeenairport.com/about-us/media-centre/loganair-further-boosts-its-connectivity-with-aberdeen-dublin-air-link/

[5711N0205W]

Bit murky up here this morning, interesting behaviours for three scheduled arrivals:

Easy from Luton, twice round the racetrack at about 12,000 feet before diverting to Edinburgh.
KLM from Amsterdam overflew at about 24,000 feet up to near Inverness before diverting to Edinburgh.
BA sat in the racetrack for getting on for an hour and now on the way to GLA.

Different fuel planning, ATC restrictions on EDI arrivals (KLM), etc?

[22/04]

Surely Inverness is much closer than Edinburgh?

[BA318]

There are more flights from EDI and those carriers operate there too so it’s much easier to look after the pax and they have staff/agreements in place already.

[Asturias56]

AA Route planner gives

Inverness 92 miles 2hr 04 mins
Edinburgh 127 miles 2hr 16 mins

Much faster and easier road from EDI tho

[GrahamK]

EZY, KL and BA all operate to INV too

[Jamesair1]

I think the previous post by BA318 gives the reasons why EDI would be chosen over INV as the most suitable diversionary airport for these flights. Airline operational issues would take precedence over mileage to final destination.

[Asturias56]

Yes and if you have to bus passengers there are a lot more spare buses in Edinburgh than Inverness

Same would apply if you were looking for hotel space

[Dct_Mopas]

EZY have re-launched the MAN-ABZ service, commencing 6th August. 4x weekly.

[OzzyOzBorn]

Well I've rebooked on it. Cost £14 less than the voucher they issued me after cancelling it last week!

[CabinCrewe]

…which can never be a good revenue sign.

[CabinCrewe]

What was the Eastern ‘mid air emergency’ this morning?

[jmdavies86]

Not sure what the reason(s) for the emergency were, however G-IACY is currently en-route to ABZ from SOU according to FR24.

[Jim__]

Does anyone have an inkling either way if AF (in the fullness of time) are likely to restart the ABZ-CDG?

[CabinCrewe]

BoJo enroute on the 23 min hop from GLA on the Union Titan A321

[Richard Taylor]

Saw it last night - looked very smart - the aircraft, that is.

[CaptainDoony]

EZY stepping up their game on ABZ-LON for S22

LGW twice a day now with interestingly, a nightstopper.. First time they've had that from ABZ before, schedule is very early AM and late afternoon departures ex-ABZ
LTN mostly daily with an evening departure
MAN returns at 4-5 weekly, don't think that will have gone down well at Loganair HQ
No BRS

Also none of the usual peak summer cutbacks planned currently

[fjencl]

Wow, whats all this about ????

Due to continued growth of the operation, there are now opportunities for the Cabin Crew team at Aberdeen to be expanded by a further 14 members.

Does Loganair operate with 2 cabin crew on all of its aberdeen based aircraft now, hence the need to recruit another 14 cabin staff ???
I always thought loganair only operated with 1 cabin crew member.

[Wycombe]

On ATR's you need 2 CC surely (all the one's I've ever flown on have)

[Saabdriver1]

One more aircraft in ABZ for Summer 2022 and of the ABZ-based aircraft, two will be ATR72-600s working full-time (they haven't before when in ABZ) and those need a second cabin crew member on each shift. Add it all together and it gets to quite a big number.

ATR42 is single crew member as it's below 50 seats.

[Jamesair1]

The number of crew required is linked to the number of seats....legally

[Richard Taylor]

Loganair intending to reinstate ABZ-OSL later this year, subject to pandemic:

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/business/local/3925593/loganairs-flights-to-oslo-back-on-20-new-jobs-in-aberdeen/

Don't think any operator flying the route currently, SAS not on the route presently.

[NickBarnes]

Did it before the pandemic, after bmi went, didn't last long....

[Asturias56]

ABZ Stavanger Ok - but to Oslo you're only going to get Statoil folk and those heading to see the Govt ............

[Richard Taylor]

Worth a note at least, but whether it comes to anything...........

https://www.aberdeenairport.com/about-us/media-centre/scottish-and-uk-governments-urged-to-back-north-east-scotland-green-freeport/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=AGS+Social

[VickersVicount]

Worth a note at least, but whether it comes to anything...........

https://www.aberdeenairport.com/about-us/media-centre/scottish-and-uk-governments-urged-to-back-north-east-scotland-green-freeport/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=AGS+Social
Bluster. Will mean and come to nothing unfortunately (particularly where ABZ airport benefit is concerned). Who comes up with these schemes and we’ve seen how much money is wasted (see Cairnryan) even in the application process. :rolleyes:

[Richard Taylor]

So as reported elsewhere Derek Provan, CEO of the owners of ABZ (also GLA & SOU) AGS, is to step down in 2023. So is it good riddance, or will nothing actually change as long as AGS remain owners, & the likes of Ferrovial (ugh!!) have a stake in the business? Will someone actually invest in the business as historically even back to BAA days ABZ was something of a cash cow & last in line for any meaningful investment? Even the runway ext was something of a basic effort & like others in the airports business, I shudder at the number of lost routes and airline operators over the years, albeit I do go back a long way these days!

I do wonder what the future holds for ABZ in particular going forward - renewables? tourism? Or doesn't it have one these days?

[Richard Taylor]

6w (Sun - Fri) wef 5.9.22. Let's see if they start it, as I'm sure it had been deferred during pandemic times.

[CaptainDoony]

Was supposed to start last month - although that said, SAS took a summer break from end June to mid August each year

[Richard Taylor]

Their first flight has started (restarted?) today, with E145. Guess we'll see how it does this time....

[VickersVicount]

Nice little route. Perfect for the E145 and a Tunnocks Tea Cake. Hope it does ok.

[Richard Taylor]

Nice little route. Perfect for the E145 and a Tunnocks Tea Cake. Hope it does ok.
Prefer the caramel wafer ... ;)

[Alteagod]

Please don't tell me Caramel log has gone!!!! No way.

[CaptainDoony]

Are Lingus/Emerald back on the Dublin run from start of the W22 season, daily on the AT76

[5711N0205W]

Anyone know why the Kuwaiti 320 is in this morning (Saturday 10th)?

[Richard Taylor]

Another forum suggests Chinese students being brought to Aberdeen Uni.

[5711N0205W]

Another forum suggests Chinese students being brought to Aberdeen Uni.

Could be, it was also in Manchester in the last week too so that may tie in with other Uni’s in the N of England.

[OzzyOzBorn]

No, the Kuwait Airways A320NEO's operate a 3x weekly year-round scheduled service KWI-MAN (replaced by A330's at certain times of year). The MAN visits aren't student charters.

[Richard Taylor]

No surprise whatever...the number of domestic & european routes lost at ABZ over recent years is prolific to the point I wonder what future such regional airports such as ours have.
Air France has no plan to restore Aberdeen link to Paris (pressandjournal.co.uk) (https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/business/local/4803403/air-france-has-no-plan-to-restore-aberdeen-link-to-the-city-of-love/)

[5711N0205W]

No surprise whatever...the number of domestic & european routes lost at ABZ over recent years is prolific to the point I wonder what future such regional airports such as ours have.
Air France has no plan to restore Aberdeen link to Paris (pressandjournal.co.uk) (https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/business/local/4803403/air-france-has-no-plan-to-restore-aberdeen-link-to-the-city-of-love/)

I was evaluating a trip to France today and have decided not to bother at the moment as the routing and timing options for a work trip are fairly awful. I doubt we’ll ever get back to 3 daily direct however in the current circumstances when AMS or LHR are the routings and the lottery odds of disruption from airport or airline are high then video over Teams will continue to weaken personal bonds and overall effectiveness..

[Jim__]

I thought the quotes were a little more neutral that the headline. KLM must've been coining it in on ABZ-AMS this summer, given that the only realistic competitor was cancelling so many flights. Prices with KL to European destinations are significantly higher than the same route from EDI/GLA with KL, even more of a difference than in the past.

However, since Schiphol seems afflicted by capacity issues, and airlines are having to reduce frequencies there, might there be a scenario where ABZ-CDG makes sense?

[SealinkBF]

Aer Lingus Regional starting flights from Aberdeen to Dublin. Loganair will be happy!

Aer Lingus Regional to add flights from Dublin to Aberdeen and Southampton – Business Traveller (https://www.businesstraveller.com/business-travel/2022/09/15/aer-lingus-regional-to-add-flights-from-dublin-to-aberdeen-and-southampton/)

[Asturias56]

Schipol is horrible but CDG isn't a lot better TBH - still lots of crowds

[CabinCrewe]

Presumably bar set pretty low in a small cohort, but regardless a winner!
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/aberdeen-aberdeenshire/4858069/aberdeen-airport-scottish-transport-awards/

[Richard Taylor]

Underwhelmed doesn't even begin to cover it.....

[VickersVicount]

Will BACF ABZ-LCY be a hit or a dud?

[Asturias56]

There's quite a few startups and smaller oil companies in ABZ these days - they'll want to fly to/from LCY - and full fare tickets as well

[Jim__]

12 weeks seems a relatively short span of operation for LCY

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

12 weeks seems a relatively short span of operation for LCY
What does this mean?
Will BACF ABZ-LCY be a hit or a dud?
Was tried before and dropped but I would say because there were *relatively* better uses of an aircraft, the likes of AMS and FRA are not exactly bouncing back to pre COVID yet so worth a punt?

[BA318]

What does this mean?

Was tried before and dropped but I would say because there were *relatively* better uses of an aircraft, the likes of AMS and FRA are not exactly bouncing back to pre COVID yet so worth a punt?

It’s once daily and seems to night stop at ABZ so convenient times for ABZ based pax to day trip to London. I guess it also helps having somewhere to park the plane overnight.

[Marty82]

What does this mean?



The flight only operates from 1 November to 22 January which is 12 weeks.

[Richard Taylor]

The flight only operates from 1 November to 22 January which is 12 weeks.
Hardly seems worth it!

[Asturias56]

see they are upgrading the Airport (sic) railway station for teh next 2 weeks... Buses will replace trains for 11 days on a section of the route between Inverness and Aberdeen while work to enable a new station takes place.

ScotRail has urged customers to plan ahead while extensive work around the Inverness Airport Station takes place.

Services will be disrupted from just before midnight on Friday until early morning on Wednesday 26 October. Passengers from Aberdeen and Inverness will see buses replace trains between Inverness and Nairn. Buses will also replace trains between Elgin and Inverness, calling at Forres and Nairn. ScotRail has arranged for an early morning bus to depart from Elgin to Aberdeen at 04:13, calling at all stations. At night, the 22.00 Aberdeen to Inverness train will terminate at Inverurie, with buses in place for travel between Inverurie and Inverness.

The new station will have a passing loop through the station, and enhance sections of track and signalling within the area. Line closure will also see the opening of a new pedestrian access bridge and the closure of Petty level crossing. David Simpson, ScotRail service delivery director, said: "We know lengthy line closures can be a real inconvenience for customers, and we're doing everything we can to keep people moving during the work."

[SealinkBF]

see they are upgrading the Airport (sic) railway station for teh next 2 weeks... Buses will replace trains for 11 days on a section of the route between Inverness and Aberdeen while work to enable a new station takes place.

ScotRail has urged customers to plan ahead while extensive work around the Inverness Airport Station takes place.

Services will be disrupted from just before midnight on Friday until early morning on Wednesday 26 October. Passengers from Aberdeen and Inverness will see buses replace trains between Inverness and Nairn. Buses will also replace trains between Elgin and Inverness, calling at Forres and Nairn. ScotRail has arranged for an early morning bus to depart from Elgin to Aberdeen at 04:13, calling at all stations. At night, the 22.00 Aberdeen to Inverness train will terminate at Inverurie, with buses in place for travel between Inverurie and Inverness.

The new station will have a passing loop through the station, and enhance sections of track and signalling within the area. Line closure will also see the opening of a new pedestrian access bridge and the closure of Petty level crossing. David Simpson, ScotRail service delivery director, said: "We know lengthy line closures can be a real inconvenience for customers, and we're doing everything we can to keep people moving during the work."

This will be for Inverness Airport, although clearly impacting services from Dyce.

[Asturias56]

yeah - sorry - - pity the railway is on the Dyce side at ABZ I've always thought

[nighthawk117]

yeah - sorry - - pity the railway is on the Dyce side at ABZ I've always thought

Pity the terminal is on the other side... i'm guessing the railway was there first?

[ld0595]

Pity the terminal is on the other side... i'm guessing the railway was there first?

The railway line opened in the late 1850s so it beat the opening of the terminal by just a few years :O

[northsands]

Pity the terminal is on the other side... i'm guessing the railway was there first?
Indeed so, although in fairness the original airport passenger facilities, from when it first opened in 1934 up until the arrival of the new terminal in 1977, were in fact located on the east side, close by the railway line....

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

OK, so why did they intertionally decide to build the new 1977 terminal away from the obvious public transport option? Much like in 1964, building a world class terminal at PIK next to a railway line and simply not building a station. Was there a view that we'd all have cars and the railways would die out?

[Asturias56]

Probably space for car parking- they'd have had to move the hangers as well and the N Sea helicopter traffic was building up

[NE_Scot_ABZ]

In 1977 the Aberdeen Inverness railway service was 2 hourly-ish in each direction and while better than nothing, that was about it. The station at Dyce reopened in 1984.
The frequency of trains serving Dyce only increased in the last 3 or 4 years.

Given the run down state of the Aberdeen Inverness line in 1977, I am pleasantly surprised it is with us today.

[mikegss]

We know lengthy line closures can be a real inconvenience for customers" [David Simpson, ScotRail service delivery director]

It's pretty clear why he's a Scotrail director.

[Asturias56]

Better than "the wrong sort of snow" I really heard that interview on Radio 4....................

[VickersVicount]

Do we honestly think an improved rail service will be a sudden boon for ABZ? It does virtually zero for PIK…

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Do we honestly think an improved rail service will be a sudden boon for ABZ? It does virtually zero for PIK…
It helped drive PIK to it's highest ever passenger numbers when Ryanair and PIK partenered with Scotrail. It does wonders for MAN and LGW, it seems bizarre to pretend that airport to railway connections won't have any impact at all.....

[nighthawk117]

It helped drive PIK to it's highest ever passenger numbers when Ryanair and PIK partenered with Scotrail. It does wonders for MAN and LGW, it seems bizarre to pretend that airport to railway connections won't have any impact at all.....

So you're saying if you took away the MAN/LGW rail links, there'd be a significant drop in traffic? I don't buy that.. i'd say the vast majority of people using the train would just switch to an alternative form of transport and still use the same airport.

Trains make it easier - but without them it wouldn't stop people travelling.

[5711N0205W]

Anyone know yet if Tui are being Tui for S23 or if it's Orange Sunwings Tui again this year?

[Yeehaw22]

Anyone know yet if Tui are being Tui for S23 or if it's Orange Sunwings Tui again this year?

Sunwing confirmed

[5711N0205W]

Sunwing confirmed

Thanks, don't seem to have the 'like' option on this sub forum yet.

[Richard Taylor]

Don't need a 'like' option for Sunwing if S22 was anything to go by! Then again, suppose it's Sunwing obo TUI or no-one up here.... ;)

[5711N0205W]

Don't need a 'like' option for Sunwing if S22 was anything to go by! Then again, suppose it's Sunwing obo TUI or no-one up here.... ;)
Like for the helpful answer rather than the carrier…. hoping the programme doesn’t fall apart too badly!

[5711N0205W]

What's behind the multiple BA LHR cancellations over the last few days?

[Jamesair1]

They were asked by the Airport to cut flights over the holiday period to help cope with the Security Officers strike. BA announced a series of cancellations, which would affect short haul, multiple daily flight destinations.

[Asturias56]

They were asked by the Airport to cut flights over the holiday period to help cope with the Security Officers strike. BA announced a series of cancellations, which would affect short haul, multiple daily flight destinations.

that's the way to build a business - no doubt about it.................

[5711N0205W]

Came out to PMI with Sunwings a week or so ago and was somewhat surprised to find one of Aberdeen’s finest security team members (definitely security and not airfield ops) standing point at the nose of the aircraft.

Can’t say I’ve noticed this before, so anything to do with the fact it’s a foreign registered aircraft (though BRA current in for Logan at the moment too) or some other reason?

Maybe it’s to weed out troublemakers looking too happy at escaping EGPD and the danger they may not return to pay whatever fee gouge the airport has come up with this week…

[NE_Scot_ABZ]

I can't see it being the aircraft registration, as KLM aircraft (frequent users of the airport) are registered in the Netherlands.

[Richard Taylor]

I think it's time to just close the airport. Glory days are long gone.

[5711N0205W]

I can't see it being the aircraft registration, as KLM aircraft (frequent users of the airport) are registered in the Netherlands.

True, though KLM are not home based there as Sunwing are over the er Summer, I’m sure there’s a pointless bureaucratic reason somewhere.

[Asturias56]

I think it's time to just close the airport. Glory days are long gone.

Starting to look like one of those Spanish airports they built and no-one came.......

A guy I know always said that the N Sea would be over when they opened the Aberdeen By-pass (which had been planned since 1970) - looks like he was right.........................

[ATIS31]

What's up with Eastern Airways ? Loads of cancellations are they short of crew ?

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Did Swissport close their Aberdeen handling station? Everyone is now with Dal-X handling? (Dalcross, GEDDIT?)

[4eyed anorak]

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230922-dedec23abzbcn

Looks like Condor are doing a charter flight from Frankfurt using a 757-300. Would that type be a first for Aberdeen?

Regards 4ea

[Link Kilo]

Why are Condor flying to Aberdeen ? Sports event ?
Yep, Aberdeen - Frankfurt in the Europa Conference League. Aberdeen will be hoping to avenge last night's narrow defeat in Germany.

[5711N0205W]

Redacted.

[GeorgeNTravels]

3rd weekly Alicante added, taking the total weekly one way flights to 14, an increase of 2 on S23

[xraydice]

There is an advert running on our local radio stating that Aberdeen international airport and shopping experience is celebrating its 90th year.
I wonder when they will upgrade it to the 20th century ?

[DaveReidUK]

Heathrow used to have a video on their website explaining how connections through a hub work.

The example they used was "Dyce" - with absolutely no mention of "Aberdeen" anywhere ...

[Asturias56]

they're going to declare it a Heritage Site - you can pay good money to walk across the wind/rain/snow blasted runway to board, spend hours waiting for a taxi AND have your luggage searched by the keenest team in the UK. And a special prize for anyone who can understand 50% of any customer announcement without AI

[Richard Taylor]

Heathrow used to have a video on their website explaining how connections through a hub work.

The example they used was "Dyce" - with absolutely no mention of "Aberdeen" anywhere ...

Well there won't be an airport or city to serve soon enough so I wouldn't worry... :)

[jmdavies86]

Well there won't be an airport or city to serve soon enough so I wouldn't worry... :)

Indeed, in terms of the airport, I heard yesterday that AGS Airports may well be put on the market very soon, despite the joint owners (Macquarie Infrastructure & Ferrovial) dismissing this as speculation back in mid-December last year: https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/business/6296777/aberdeen-airport-addresses-sale-speculation/

[VickersVicount]

Indeed, in terms of the airport, I heard yesterday that AGS Airports may well be put on the market
Heard that rumour for past 18 months now, but Yeah the sooner the better- that group have achieved zero. Need a big conglomerate or investment group as I think there is at least (a little) potential.

[GeorgeNTravels]

Total Passenger Numbers in Jan 2024: 147,266 (-1%)

Market Breakdown for Scheduled Pax Below:

Domestic: 77,858 (-3.28%)
EU: 27,643 (-1.3%)
NON-EU: 8,184 (-7.2%)

[Ascupart]

I think you made a typo - January's figure is 147,266 - slightly down on the same month last year

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/952x738/aberdeen_01855b1a2847e48746edb85102fdf00748ccb810.png
Total Pax, Month of January

[GeorgeNTravels]

I think you made a typo - January's figure is 147,266 - slightly down on the same month last year

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/952x738/aberdeen_01855b1a2847e48746edb85102fdf00748ccb810.png
Total Pax, Month of January

You're correct, incorrect button press on the number pad, changed now.

Thanks :)

[5711N0205W]

Down 70K in 5 years (excluding pandemic) is quite something.

[Richard Taylor]

The airport's finished, & the city/region are going down as the oil industry is going down. Over half of Aberdeen is being demolished as empty or unused. Sad but inevitable.

[VickersVicount]

The airport's finished, & the city/region are going down as the oil industry is going down. Over half of Aberdeen is being demolished as empty or unused. Sad but inevitable.
Seems a bit dramatic?

[Ascupart]

The airport's finished, & the city/region are going down as the oil industry is going down. Over half of Aberdeen is being demolished as empty or unused. Sad but inevitable.
My home town (Southampton) has a slightly bigger population than Aberdeen - of the two airports which is doing better?

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[SWBKCB]

Is that a valid comparison? How far is it to alternative airports, what other transport links are available, etc, etc

[mwm991]

The three AGS airports need sold off to new investment. Without an organization running it that can attract low cost growth they are doomed. Would be better if the airport was between Aberdeen and Dundee but unfortunately that's not going to happen so it is what it is.

[GeorgeNTravels]

easyJet Winter 24/25 flights have been loaded (it should be noted that EZY normally carry over the schedule from the previous winter schedule then make changes April-June)

Geneva - 1 weekly
London Gatwick - 14 weekly
London Luton - 2 weekly

[SWBKCB]

Loganair leaving the ABZ to north east England market - MME and NCL both dropped from 10 May according to SeanM. Eastern the only likely replacement candidate?

[jmdavies86]

Loganair leaving the ABZ to north east England market - MME and NCL both dropped from 10 May according to SeanM. Eastern the only likely replacement candidate?

Not surprised at ABZ-MME being dropped as that results in LM no longer have a presence at MME at all, however ABZ-NCL does seem a bit of a surprise as I thought that LM offered one-stop connections (via NCL) to both EXT and SOU.

[Harold77]

Eastern to operate Aberdeen- Teesside, Daily flight then twice daily from September.

[Asturias56]

"Daily flight then twice daily from September."

Given their record elsewhere that's an aspiration not a timetable.................

[Atlantic Explorer]

"Daily flight then twice daily from September."

Given their record elsewhere that's an aspiration not a timetable.................

Ain’t that the truth!!

[Alteagod]

So true