Norwegian-2

[TOM100]

Given the continuing cash burn and lack of flying (and consumer confidence in the business), I don’t see how Norwegian can pull themselves out of this (terminal ?) dive......maybe they are regretting the overtures from IAG (although not sure IAG will be)

[blind pew]

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/1118/1179030-norwegian-air-seeking-examinership-in-high-court/

[Albert Hall]

The other big issue looming is that of the handful of domestic routes that Norwegian are still flying, Wizz Air are arriving on almost all of them within the next week or two. This can only do some serious damage to their short term prospects (which is, no doubt, Wizz's objective) but the scale of this is quite surprising.

[EI-BUD]

Wizz has its eyes firmly fixed on LGW, any way of putting further pressure on Norwegian and most importantly damaging investor confidence could lead to the final nail in Norwegian's coffin.
​​​​​​Such an event would given them access to LGW slots. Airlines from outside of Norway or indeed Scandinavia have had limited successes in the market, so Wizz clearly feel they have some chances of success...

[Albert Hall]

Another day, another announcement of Wizz establishing itself on a Norwegian domestic route - Oslo to Haugesund, starting in about two weeks from now. Apart from the far north routes, there can't be many domestic markets from Oslo left in which Wizz has still to compete with Norwegian. Without meaning to be flippant or disrespectful to those past or present, this feels like watching an old war movie with the victor continually firing torpedoes into the enemy battleship until it finally sinks. Norwegian can't stand up to this.

And if the chips fall in Norway, the slots fall in Gatwick.

[racedo]

davidjohnson6

I would doubt Irish subsidary owns any aircraft, likely it is done via an Intercompany leasing arrangement with another Irish subsidary or a company registered elsewhere. Basically it prevents a judgement being exercised.

Company A owns Company B / C / D etc Company B operates the asset which it leases from Company C. Get a judgement against company B is meaningless as it leases the assets it uses and Company C can reclaim them and lease to company D quickly.

The overall viewpoint is not unrealistic though as every creditor will act now to ensure it gets paid. Hence fuel company want cash up front. Airports will just block aircraft in irrespective of who owns them until fees are paid, legally may not stand up in court but that means aircraft sit for 9 months until case comes to court, hence pay up and be gone is often best option.

[Seljuk22]

Apart from the far north routes, there can't be many domestic markets from Oslo left in which Wizz has still to compete with Norwegian.
Oslo to Kristiansand, Kristansund, Bardufoss, Molde

also interesting: Bergen-Trondheim, Bergen-Stavanger

[davidjohnson6]

I don't believe Norwegian fly to Bardufoss any more - I think the route switched to SAS about 9 months ago, well before Covid

[Seljuk22]

Marked in bold the destinations Wizz currently do not serve. Not sure if this list is up to date due to Covid.

Norwegian from OSL:
Ålesund, Alta, Bergen, Bodø, Harstad/Narvik, Haugesund, Kirkenes, Kristiansand, Longyearbyen, Molde, Stavanger, Tromsø, Trondheim

SAS from OSL:
Ålesund, Alta, Bardufoss, Bergen, Bodø, Harstad/Narvik, Haugesund, Kirkenes, Kristiansand, Kristiansund, Lakselv, Longyearbyen, Molde, Stavanger, Tromsø, Trondheim

Wizz from OSL:
Ålesund, Alta, Bergen, Bodø, Harstad/Narvik, Haugesund, Kirkenes, Stavanger, Tromsø, Trondheim

[davidjohnson6]

Having been granted court protection from creditors in Ireland, the company has now filed for bankruptcy in Norway

[7Three7Specialist]

I mean they haven't filed for bankruptcy in Norway but please, keep posting wrong information.

https://in.reuters.com/article/norwegian-air-restructuring/update-2-norwegian-air-seeks-additional-creditor-protection-in-norway-court-idINL1N2IO0CO

[davidjohnson6]

Most countries require companies to pay their debts in full and on time. Failure to do this is usually deemed to be default

Anything that involves non-payment of debts in full with a court getting involved has a strong smell of bankruptcy.
Anything that involves delaying payment with a court getting involved has a strong smell of bankruptcy.
Anything that involves asking a court to prevent creditors from suing for unpaid or late debts has a strong smell of bankruptcy.
Anything that involves conversion of debt into equity with a court getting involved has a strong smell of bankruptcy.

Might have a different name, but it looks, talks and pays like bankruptcy

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/98171-norwegian-seeks-creditor-protection-in-norway

[Mr @ Spotty M]

davidjohnson6
I take it what you are trying to say is, if it quacks like a duck, it must be a duck. :D

[calypso]

Most countries have re-structuring protection legislation. In the US is called chapter 11, in Ireland Examinership, in the Uk Corporate Insolvency and Governance and elsewhere other names. It is a different process to Bankruptcy and in fact most companies that enter the process do not go bankrupt. This is more the case of if it is a bird and is making a noise it must be a duck. Life is not that simple I am afraid.

Your statement says a lot more about your ignorance of these maters than about Norwegians situation

[victorpapa]

Calypso
Thank you for some facts on this thread thats sadly lacks

[davidjohnson6]

Apologies for the slightly loose language. I used "bankruptcy" to mean "bankruptcy protection" as distinct from liquidation / dissolution / winding up. Having spent many years working on modelling credit worthiness of large corporates perhaps I should have anticipated the language lawyers
The point was to show that it's not just the Irish subsidiary that needs court protection from creditors - but the core company in Norway which seems unable to function normally. If after cutting loose the foreign subsidiaries, the parent company does not expect to be able to pay their debts on time and in full, then management must have a very negative view of the airline's future. The company PR dept seem to be trying to present this court filing in Norway as a routine event in the life of a normally functioning company - it's not

Spotty - i was thinking of duck, but thought to change the wording slightly as companies in trouble tend not to go quack...

[calypso]

Again you seem to miss the point. This is not about "cutting loose foreign subsidiaries". This process is about re-structuring the debt and making the necessary changes in order to continue as a going concern. Since a lot of the aircraft are held in Ireland, and presumably Ireland has favorable legislation, the process has been started in Ireland. The Irish Examinership also includes protection for the parent company in Oslo. It is quite obvious that in a situation like this the whole company will need re-estructuring. They have also filed for a similar process in Norway and I guess there must be sound legal reasons to do so.

I don't know if you have noticed but the whole aviation industry is on its knees. Virtually no one is paying their debts on time and in full. In fact most, if not all, airlines are receiving vast public subsidies to avoid going under.

As you enjoy pontificating on the issue why not have a wee read? https://leman.ie/examinership/

[Link Kilo]

Restructuring plan announced. "Under these circumstances a long haul operation is not viable for Norwegian and these operations will not continue."

https://media.uk.norwegian.com/pressreleases/norwegian-to-focus-on-a-strong-european-network-3064682

[Alteagod]

Sad news for all concerned

[clipstone1]

quite a number of B787 that are owned to be sold presumably....sad, but potentially available cheaply to other airlines.

[N707ZS]

So what happens to tickets booked long haul for the summer.

[SWBKCB]

Covered in the press release at #18

[racedo]

clipstone1

Owned means completely free of "loan security" and doubt there is a substantial amount of aircraft that are.

Why ? because you would be doing sale and leaseback deals to generate cash to survive if that was the position.

It is likely US EXIM have significant debt with Norwegian, they and Boeing will be keen to move them on to someone else.

[Buster the Bear]

UK Govt have significant stake in 6x 787-900s via underwritten loans.

[racedo]

Depends on the documentation, underwritten loan sounds like they guaranteeing it.

Unless it is ultimiately 1st (floating) charge on the assets then not really worth a lot. Bit like having a second / third mortgage charge on your own house, ultimately whoever has 1st charge will add in Interest / Penalties so nobody else gets anything.

[Wycombe]

Influx of 4 Norwegian 738's into Kemble noted this morning.

[jon01]

Prior return to lessor

[southside bobby]

... & from the ashes of long haul = Norse Atlantic Airways.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Go on.........

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/norse-atlantic-airways-norways-newest-long-haul-airline/
Same guys, same business model for a post COVID market. This is mental, they just walk away having destroyed all shareholder value and look to do the same **** all over again.

"Norse Atlantic aims to establish several hubs throughout the US and Europe, with destinations including New York, Los Angeles, Miami, London, Paris, and Oslo. Plans also include collaboration with other Norwegian airlines, namely Norwegian Air Shuttle and newcomer Flyr." These guys are a cancer on the industry, they make MOL look like Mother Theresa.

[LGS6753]

S1F,

There you go...

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/norse-atlantic-airways-norways-newest-long-haul-airline/

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Yup I googled and was appaled!

[sangiovese.]

They should be held accountable for their pathetic actions with Norwegian. Banned from holding an AOC

[Dorking]

It was Einstein that defined lunacy as ...Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results...
Why would anyone lend these clowns a cent let alone take them seriously??..Must be an early April fool jape.

[In Europe]

Hahah...."Norse Don't Cross The Atlantic"...or better perhaps: "Norse Donkey Sightseeing"