East Midlands-7

[ATNotts]

BBC Breakfast are reporting from EMA this morning on the air cargo industry, and how well it is doing relative to commercial aviation as a whole. All good publicity for the airport.

[southside bobby]

Not to forget little `ol STN all part of The MAG Group...

EMA July + 21.2%
EMA August +18.5%

STN July +43.6%
STN August + 25%

The increase driver being "home shopping".

[BHX5DME]

MAG Group

August Pax

STN – 901,749 down 68.5%

MAN – 677,284 down 79.7%

EMA – 128,065 down 78.9%


12m pax end 31.08.20

STN – 15,103,532 down 46.8%

MAN – 14,831,610 down 49.4%

EMA – 2,087,699 down 56.5%


Cargo

EMA – 34,532 up 18.5%

STN – 21,972 up 24.3%

MAN – 3,614 down 62.4%

[Balair]

UPS

Looking for an update on their operation at EMA.

Have UPS completed their move to the new hub facility yet?
I haven’t seen any announcement in the trade press so far, so I suppose it may still be in a transitional phase?

Also, has there been any indication of any future use for their vacated premises?

[LBIA]

Jet2 new route from East Midlands for summer 2021

Skiathos = 1x weekly (Sun) commences May 23rd

[LTNman]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-55361080

[ATNotts]

And what is so sad is that all most people, including those on AA&R threads, are bothered about are Passengers, passengers and passengers.

EMA is a commercial aviation success story, and was even before MAG took it over. Cargo is the airport's saviour, and likely it's future.

[Balair]

Quite so. I’ve watched with interest, the incredible growth of the freight operation at EMA over the years since I used to export through there. I can only see this growth continuing over the coming years considering the increasing expansion of freight related facilities on and around the airport.

[ATNotts]

Air cargo and parcels; one of the few sectors that will definitely benefit from Brexit, and the pandemic. Other airports, such as DSA and BHX have done very well out of both in the last few months, in the last few weeks, BHX has dene particularly well from the former, and that shows no sign of changing in the New Year. EMA will do likewise.

Obviously it's hard, when EMA is part of MAG to see how it is faring financially this financial year, and how much revenue has been lost, given the high growth rate in cargo, versus the collapse of passenger revenues. I would bet that EMA's balance sheet is a deal more healthy than much larger rivals such as MAN, STN, GLA, BHX and their like.

[almost professional]

But you can bet that MAG will still not invest anything but the minimum they can get away with at EMA, calling the Runway resurfacing ‘investment’ is the classic example

[ATNotts]

From the passenger facilities standpoint I agree, they are pretty dire, but when one of your major passenger customers is Ryanair who would like as likely walk away from EMA is they were asked to pay more than a pittance for the terminal facilities there is little financial incentive to invest more than is absolutely necessary. There are no full service carriers, such as KL, LH, AF or EK who would require for their business class passengers some level of creature comforts and with the best will in the world, good as the are sad to be, Jet2 aren't a premium carrier either.

On the cargo side MAG would appear to have been more than willing to work with their client base to ensure a world class cargo facility, and that cooperation and investment is really paying dividends now.

[egnxema]

DHL have signed up for 2 units at EMGateway, 900,000 sq ft.

Will this his result in increased DHL air ops, or is the Gateway facility just for the rail terminal there?

[NutLoose]

almost professional

I’d be happy if they put the missing bollards back on the little central traffic islands past DHL, they are bloody dangerous at night when it’s wet, you cannot see them. I’m amazed there hasn’t been an accident along there. They have been missing for months now.

[NutLoose]

Plans are being drawn up to put in a bid to extend Nottingham’s tram system out to Derby and East Midlands Airport.

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/route-revealed-possible-tram-extensions-2693315

[Twiglet1]

Notloose - let alone the pot holes that appear seasonally in the ring road - god forbid if you stop also as the camera police will have you

[ATNotts]

NutLoose

My understanding was the the NET tram connection to EMA was the be an extension from the current Clifton terminus, and it would serve new residential developments planned for the A453 corridor between Clifton and Kegworth. I'd have though the cost of putting it through from Toton (as the article suggests) would be much greater, and blight a lot more current residential property than running it from Clifton; which would probably be a faster journey as well.

But then I'm not an infrastructure planner.

[inOban]

The extension to Toton is linked to the Eastern arm of HS2, if it happens. Of course that would provide direct trains from Toton to BHX

[ATNotts]

Indeed, but by the time that comes to fruition, if it ever does, we'll all be teleporting!

[EGNXROB]

Cargologic will have a 744 based at EMA running a daily route to Cincinnati for DHL whilst Kalitta air 744 moves onto 5 weekly LAX route

[N707ZS]

Is the Cargologic 747 replacing one of the 767s or is it extra.

[ATNotts]

EGNXROB

Would I be correct in assuming that the move to Kalitta Air on LEJ-EMA-LAX is a consequence of Brexit, insofar as it is no longer permissible for a German carrier to carry revenue earning cargo on the UK/USA sector?

[southside bobby]

Good work for CargoLogicAir/CLU...is a school of thought that a UK based/G-Dash registered B744F operator with now no reliance on work out of the EU to the Worldwide market would also fail to find work out of the UK after 1.1.21

A/c positioned in from STN.

[EGNXROB]

N707ZS

Believe it to be alongside the 767’s operating although the Cargojet schedule does change slightly departing to Leipzig instead of Cincinnati

[BHX5DME]

December 2020 Pax

Manchester – 248,451 down 87.4%

Stansted – 198,291 down 90.1%

East Midlands – 15,065 down 92.7%

2020

Stansted – 7,543,779 down 73.2%

Manchester – 7,037,036 down 76.0%

East Midlands – 899,756 down 80.8%

Cargo

East Midlands – 46,320 up 43.5%

Stansted – 23,136 up 18.8%

Manchester – 4,693 down 46.6%

[ATNotts]

The cargo figure just underlines what I have written previously regarding the "unsung hero" for EMA. Passengers may be just 7.3% of last December but the revenue from cargo must be compensating, if not more than compensating, for the lost revenue from PAX. Is there is business case for investing more in cargo and letting passengers wither on the vine?

It perhaps goes some way to explain why the passenger facilities are relatively dire at EMA - invest where you know you can make money.

[Jonty]

East Midlands have closed all passenger handling until the 31st Jan.

[Twiglet1]

ATNotts

Correct to my understanding

[NutLoose]

Twiglet1

And now they have snow those raised bases in the centre of the roads that are missing their keep left signage are now flush with snow and hidden, just waiting to rip someones sump out or cause injury at which point I do hope the unfortunate sues them.

[BHX5DME]

January 2021

MAN – 127,638 down 92.8%

STN – 104,477 down 94.5%

EMA – 4,802 down 97.5%

12m rolling

STN – 5,745,700 down 79.6%

MAN – 5,388,648 down 81.7%

EMA – 713,989 down 84.7%

Cargo

EMA – 32,777 up 9.2%

STN – 23,173 up 48.4%

MAN – 3,879 down 51.5%

[EGNXROB]

It appears Cargologic 744F will now be operating Liege - East Midlands - Atlanta - East Midlands - Amsterdam which I believe has been moved from LHR

[egnxema]

Do G-CLAA and G-CLBA pass through EMA on a daily basis now?

[EGNXROB]

G-CLBA is based running the daily CVG & Saturday Leipzig with G-CLAA had been running a few Atlanta trips through East Midlands sun/mon

[N707ZS]

Don't forget you shouldn't be going to see aircraft at EMA or anywhere at the moment. The local police are happy to give you a fine as a reminder.

[Buster the Bear]

too right they should!

[SWBKCB]

Recent cases...

https://westbridgfordwire.com/west-bridgford-couple-ticketed-by-police-for-watching-planes-at-east-midlands-airport/

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/east-midlands-airport-police-fine-5003959

[ATNotts]

SWBKCB

It may just be sloppy journalism, but if the "East Midlands Airport Police" are a different entity to Leicestershire Constabulary one wonders what jurisdiction they have to issue fines to people on public roads outside the airport boundary. Moreover, there is a public footpath that runs roughly around the perimeter of EMA which is open as normal, so although it's probably more than a bit fool hardy to sit in your car at one of the vantage points around the perimeter, I really wouldn't have thought that driving from West Bridgford to walk the footpath wouldn't necessarily contravene the (thoroughly ambiguous) rules. I mean, what is "local area"? The characters who travelled from Mansfield are certainly on rather more dodgy ground!

It is rather galling that the police are more than happy to fine "low hanging fruit" but quite happy to turn a blind eye to the groups of youth and young adults that are regularly seen congregating outside corner shops, sans face coverings, and making no attempt at social distancing.

I would add that I haven't ventured anywhere near EMA since the latest lockdown began, nor for that matter, during either of the two previous lockdowns.

[almost professional]

Doubt you would see much unless you were willing to put in a night shift! (And I don't miss those....)

[NutLoose]

Well the potholes have now got their own potholes, come the first sniff of ice the roads start self gritting as the surface breaks down, but I wouldn’t expect it to improve anytime soon, the Airport headquarters building has a bloody great hole in one end through the outer wall and I’m talking feet wise, it’s falling apart, which doesn’t exactly hint at any spending anytime soon.

[planeema971]

Does anyone know what the status is with the new UPS facility? I have heard it is due to open soon but not sure when. Is there any idea what sort of changes may happen to the UPS route network from EMA maybe we will see routes from Louisville? one of the new stands is marked for a 747 so will we maybe see some UPS aircraft other than the 767s?

[EGNXROB]

think the open date is now expected to be April, and I’ve also heard rumours about flights from STN being moved up to EMA including some 747 traffic but I’m guessing time will tell

[almost professional]

NutLoose

When I left nearly 2 years ago there were so few Admin people left that B34 was shutting and staff redeployed around the Airport, guess that's still the case, probably why nothing gets done to the pot holes - nobody to report to/ take action on!

[NutLoose]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-56238018

Mars? It looks more like East Midlands Airports roads...joke.

AP, I cannot see how anyone could miss the poor standard of the roads, they after all have to drive over them to get in. Call me old fashioned but the first thing punters see is the road surfaces as they drive in and if that is worse than some third world countries to the punters they have to wonder what the rest of the infrastructure is like.

[yeo valley]

sounds like ready made speed humps lol.

[BHX5DME]

Feb Pax

MAN = 79,408 down 95.5%

STN = 34,967 down 98.1%

EMA = 255 down 99.9%



Rolling 12m pax

STN = 3,903,227 down 86.1%

MAN = 3,688,509 down 87.4%

EMA = 519,779 down 88.8%



Feb Cargo

EMA = 34,053 up 23.6%

STN = 19,832 up 51.9%

MAN = 4,174 down 41.8%

[EGNXROB]

planeema971

not sure if this is the start of new flights but this morning has seen

CGN - EMA - SDF 763F
CDG - EMA 763F

Also worth nothing the new 747 stand on cargo east is now in operation with Swissport handling the Cargologic 744F on the LGG - EMA - ATL flight

[EMACargo]

So following the daily flights of Cargologic out of EMA, I was wondering what the legalities of operating a G- registered aircraft from the EU to the US for example without operating through the UK on the route? I was under the impression that there wasn’t anything in place in the Brexit deal
Is there any news on the expansion of routes operated by UPS out of the airport

[ATNotts]

The Cargologic 747s are on the UK register and only, so far as I can recall operating EMA-CVG-EMA. I think they also operate a weekly ATL-EMA that finishes up somewhere in the EU but of course as it's a UK registered aircaft there probably wouldn't be issues carrying revenue cargo EMA-wherever in EU. The Kalitta 747 CKS330/330A operates LEJ-EMA-LAX, but of course this is a different kettle of fish as it's a US registered aircraft and therefore there maybe issues carry paying cargo between LEJ and EMA, but then again FedEX use US registered aircraft for UK/EU flights so perhaps not. Somebody better versed than me could probably clarify that point.

The Brexit (lack of a) deal has made it impossible for Aerologic to operate the D- registered 777 freighters between UK and the USA, and similarly EU registered aircraft, such as the Star Air 767s to operate domestically in UK, so those aircraft now fly domestic UK legs on Titan flight numbers, hence some of the changes to the DHL operation that occurred after the end of transition.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong on any of the above.

[BHX5DME]

Any idea why Ryanair have no EMA flights bookable after 31.12.21 ?

[EMACargo]

the reason I ask is that it has run AMS-ORD in the last week and I was also under the impression it was impossible

[ATNotts]

I would guess a one-off permit, in the same way that Ukrainian Antonov operators get to fly EU/UK cargo charters.

[EMACargo]

Looks unlikely as G-CLAA is currently enroute to Atlanta from Milan.

[egnxema]

BHX5DME

Still only flight to 31st Dec visible online. Seems odd.
Anyone know anything on this one?

[BHX5DME]

Yes - very strange when S22 on sale at other airports !

[EGNXROB]

Asked the question on another forum which apparently a lot of the S22 network across Europe isn’t loaded as of yet but will be at some point

[BHX5DME]

It is not S22 it is no flights after 31.12.21 - so half of W21/22 !

[EMACargo]

there are flights available from EMA till end of March

[BHX5DME]

No there isn't they are all greyed out and not bookable

[ATNotts]

It seems almost inconceivable that Ryanair would close a base as large as EMA is without any media hoo-haa; it is perhaps more likely they are playing hardball with MAG over fees from 1.1.22, as EMA has suffered particularly badly with passenger services over the pandemic and they feel the time is right to screw a better deal for the EMA operation. It could be (though I very much doubt it!) that BHX, 40 miles down the road, has put in a very competitive package to attract more Ryanair business, and the airline is playing off both airports against each other.

As EMA has continued to be reasonably busy from a cargo standpoint over the last year, Ryanair may find themselves in a weaker negotiating position than at other airports, as the EMA balance sheet may not have suffered quite so badly as many other bases around UK and mainland Europe.

[Balair]

Whilst I doubt Ryanair will close their EMA base altogether (although it is far from impossible) I would not be surprised if they see the present circumstances as an ideal time undertake a major re-distribution of their Midlands capacity between EMA and BHX.
The loss of Flybe and the general downturn in traffic, which could possibly last for some time, may well have also prompted BHX management to have made a tempting offer to Ryanair.

Another factor which may be influencing Ryanair is the likelihood of an Easy base at BHX at some time in the not too distant future and Wizz air’s expansion there, the latter’s operations may also bring DSA into their considerations of any tactical moves?

All of this is of course conjecture, but given MAG’s seemingly lukewarm attitude towards passenger development at EMA in the past, it may well be that they are not prepared to fight too hard to retain passenger business at any cost, but rather concentrate even further on freight?

[ATNotts]

All these factors may be in the mix. The problem for the passenger side at EMA is that it doesn't have any full service carriers in-situe that are prepared to pay for services, and which allow then to give away money to the likes of Ryanair. Cargo is far less resource hungry, no carparking, no terminal facilities, no space taken up with security. Of course cargo needs security, but it takes place inside the premises operated by the freight companies, such as DHL, UPS and TNT so isn't a direct cost to the airport company. It looks quite appealing to major on cargo rather than 'self loading freight'. If Passenger and Cargo are two different cost or profit centres then there is unlikely to be any appetite for cross subsidisation from cargo to the passenger side, and I'm sure that MAG will require both operations to turn a profit.

Full service airlines, offering connection global connections from EMA have tried and failed on numerous occasions, and post-covid with business travel likely to take a while to recover the prospects for a Lufthansa, AF-KLM or Turkish to chance their arms any time soon.

[BHX5DME]

April 2021 Pax

Stansted – 84,553 up 517.5%

Manchester – 82,218 up 244%

East Midlands – 78 up 32.2%


12m rolling end 30.04.21

Stansted – 3,140,402 down 87.2%

Manchester – 2,899,742 down 88.8%

East Midlands – 413,340 down 89.9%


April 2021 Cargo

East Midlands – 40,439 up 48.8%

Stansted – 23,519 up 26.0%

Manchester – 3,830 up 288.2%

[FRatSTN]

About the Ryanair winter schedule. The plan for EMA this winter just gone was to operate a part-time base between Friday and Monday only, but with the full lockdown even that didn't happen.

The same still applies for what's currently available till Jan'22 (if you look at the few flights available Tuesday to Thursday over the winter they're all non-based aircraft). I suspect this is only ever a temporary situation with reduced demand/crewing, so I'd imagine this is being reviewed for Jan'22 onwards, hence no flights currently available to book beyond then.

[EGNXROB]

https://www.aircargonews.net/airlines/freighter-operator/shake-up-at-dhl-express-european-airlines/?fbclid=IwAR2hlyJpw9YJ9NgFiDyHNzwGvORoekprnEI5t7bzxyIhz2NwLf IJhGCceoQ

Seems like DHL are basing some extra 767s & U.K. registered 777f’s for 2022 operating to America & Asia

[testpanel]

Only because they cannot fly within Europe anymore (thank you brexit) while the americans still happily do their europe stint :ugh:

[ATNotts]

That's as maybe, and I do echo your frustrations, however in this case, unless I've been dragged in by the marketing spin, it would appear to be a case of the ill wind being good for EMA and its cargo operation, so perhaps as the saying goes, every cloud has a silver lining. Perhaps I may make so bold as to suggest this must be an example of that somewhat illusive beast, a benefit of Brexit - for EMA if not for DHL!

[southside bobby]

Change of focus with the intra-european B752F being switched out of EMA.

[deltahotel]

Big picture on this. No one loses their job. The same ac fly the same routes using the same pilots although it gets split between Europe short haul and EMA long haul. More ac (jobs) come to the uk airline. Whether it’s a benefit of Brexit or just an inevitable result remains to be seen.

[EGNXROB]

DHL have added what I believe a daily Miami flight using a company 767-300

[FRatSTN]

New route to BFS starting 9 July, 4x weekly until end of October.

This will be the first time EZY have operated passenger services from EMA in more than 11 years.

[southside bobby]

The newly announced EZY domestic program additions being described as "a last roll of the dice" by The Independent to utilize at least part of their remaining UK fleet.

[EGNXROB]

DHL are going to be using 2 TUI 787-9 aircraft out of East Midlands starting this week on the Miami route Tuesdays Wednesdays and Thursdays departing 01:50/04:20 and arriving 21:10/02:20

[CabinCrewe]

Thats good. These newish birds belong in the air, pax or not. They belong in the Florida sun!

[737James]

It must be a very busy route for DHL as I have seen information from Tui flightdeck crew that have been allocated these routes to advise that they can only bring small carry on bag due to weight restrictions which is a bit problematic with the 100ml liquid ban in UK and also needs clothes for night out in Miami

[deltahotel]

737James. No idea where that info will have come from - we’ve never had a weight limit on luggage on our long haul routes. Neither has the 100ml thing been an issue as our luggage goes in the hold. My guess is that after the first couple of crews have been all will become much clearer.

[double-oscar]

It will be a baggage handling issue. Large suitcases need to be checked in, screened and must be placed in the hold. If this isn’t possible crew must take their own bags onboard and get them through security. Some crew channels can’t process large suitcases. It won’t be an issue weight wise providing the crew can carry it themselves.

[deltahotel]

All true, so this will depend on how the crews go to the ac. Freight crews at EMA don’t go through the pax terminal but via separate security access points. After screening, luggage goes in the back of secure vans with no ability to access them so that they can then go to the ac hold. I have no idea what method the tui crews will use.

[deltahotel]

And a fine looking machine as it pushed back next to us. Welcome to pure freight Tui peeps. No cabin crew, no pax, make your own coffee!

[Yeehaw22]

Theyve been running pure freight for months now, I'll bet the drivers have even mastered brewing up for themselves by now:E

[Smudge's Lot]

Crew luggage on TUI flights usually goes in Hold 5 of the 787 (rear left) but we have been advised that Hold 5 will also have freight in it (non palletised) so there is nowhere for checked bags to go. That is why we have to take a small bag with enough for 1 night out and all liquids less than 100ml. All very possible.
Still working out how to heat the meals using the ovens!

[deltahotel]

Ah. Good luck with the luggage - sounds crazy on an ac that big! Switch oven on, put food in, take out, eat.

[southender]

Deltahotel. Don’t forget to turn the oven off!

[WestofEMA]

I have a relative, who has been re-allocated onto EZY flight, from now defunct Stobart Air. They have asked me if I can provide lift and collection to/from airport. I was well aware of the £2 for 10 mins drop off fee, and that it increased to £3 for 5 mins pre Covid, but on looking at website today, was very surprised to see it now £5 for 5 mins. I guess they have to get their lost money back some how,

[Balair]

I understand that Victor taxiway onto the Eastern apron is to be re-profiled to facilitate aircraft manoeuvring. I would imagine primarily in relation to B744F/B748F size aircraft onto stand 83.
As all expenditure on non-essential works is likely to be on hold at the moment, it would suggest that this is deemed a pressing requirement?
Have UPS confirmed if/when they are to introduce B748F equipment onto their EMA schedule, I have heard October suggested?

[FRatSTN]

EasyJet just arrived from BFS on its inaugural flight. Am I right in thinking this is the first A320neo to operate a passenger service to/from EMA?

[EGNXROB]

As a scheduled flight I believe it to be so, EMA did have a La compagnie A321neo charter Aug last year.

[egnxema]

Reports airfield currently closed due to apparent undercarriage collapse of a training aircraft (articles claims it is a Rolls Royce training aircraft). No reported injuries.

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/derby-news/live-east-midlands-airport-closed-5655189

[STN Ramp Rat]

A Jet2 just landed so it must be resolved.

[pabely]

It was an undercarriage collapse of a Harvard on a training flight.

[EGNXROB]

Still nothing bookable for Ryanair 2022 onwards anyone know what’s happening?

[BHX5DME]

I have been keeping an eye on this one, all very strange and you would expect maybe they are negotiating hard with the airport on fees but as EMA is a MAG Airport this should be an issue ?

Hopefully moving the EMA units to BHX from 01.01.22 :-)

[VickersVicount]

It may… but I doubt in anyones lifetime on here!

[ATNotts]

Given the leisure nature of Ryanair's business model from EMA it does seem very odd that they haven't released flights for 2022 yet, since bookings = cashflow and cashflow is something all airlines need through the lean winter months. Since they haven't so far jacked up their presence at BHX either I somehow doubt that there's a wholesale move of base to BHX on the cards though.

[EGNXROB]

UPS are to upgrade the daily 763F Philadelphia route with a mix of 744/8f aircraft from second week of September onwards is the latest I’ve been told

[egnxema]

Anyone head anything at all about the FR winter program from EMA? Jet2 now has winter 22/23 on sale, but FR still not bookable after 31Dec21 it seems. While they are announcing new routes from BHX.

[ATNotts]

Jet2 are a little different to Ryanair as they are flogging package tours and there enough people out there will to plan 2 years ahead, and part with a deposit to do so - it gives Jet2 much needed cashflow. I would suggest that Ryanair's market is rather different, with people booking short breaks and visiting second homes so early booking isn't quite such a factor.

All that said it is looking more and more likely that when Ryanair announces what's happening at EMA from January 2022 it will be either feast (major expansion) or famine (closing the base) and not somewhere in between. It looks very much as though there's some brinkmanship going on between MAG and Ryanair regarding EMA at the moment. No inside information, just me reading the tea leaves.

[Balair]

If you read FR’s Commercial Director’s comment on the announcement of the DUB-CWL route regarding the “necessary incentives” required due to Covid-19, you can imagine exactly what’s happening here?
Although it would have a major impact on passenger numbers at EMA should we have another “toys out of the pram” episode, perhaps the management feel it is time to say no?
In the longer term it may even open up opportunities to attract other airlines which may have been put off by FR’s dominance at the airport. The unused car parks would also release a fair bit of valuable land for further freight related development....!

[BHX5DME]

Yes something going on with FR at EMA
But as a MAG airport it is weird as STN / MAN are big bases etc, so fees you wouldnt have thought would be an issue ?
They appear to like BHX at the moment and Milan just announced is also an EMA route for them.
Watch this space :-)

[Flyboy543]

Balair

I agree. Maybe the airport/MAG have realised over the last 18 months or so that they don't need FR to turn a profit at EMA, or that it's not worth the trouble for the small profit they get?

I'm suprised this hasn't made local news yet, I wonder how many families have tried to book for next spring/summer to discover no flights available? Even if they released flights today, they must have already lost out on a lot of customers going to other airports or another airline.

[ATNotts]

As I said above, I'm not sure that Ryanair relies upon long-time forward bookings so much as say, TUI or Jet2 - or indeed Easyjet who now also have a growing package tour offer.

Cargo continues to grow at EMA with all the major integrators among the customer base and I would imagine there will have been something of a rethink as to the EMA business strategy at MAG Towers. Not walking away from passenger, but being more robust in their pricing policy rather than rolling over and dying at the merest scent of Ryanair making veiled threats.

I can't see Ryanair abandoning EMA, but scaling back their operation to perhaps, worst case, only flights by non-based aircraft could be a real possibility. Thing is BHX doesn't have a history of submitting to Ryanair's demands, but they appear to be benefiting from new routes commencing this autumn. Perhaps they have become more open, some may suggest desperate.

[BHX5DME]

I am sure walking away from passenger ops has been discussed at MAG Towers, maybe the space is more profitable as Cargo ops ?

[GayFriendly]

The very fact that there are rumours that FR may substantially reduce or even stop operating from EMA after so many years should be ringing alarm bells at BHX. We all know that FR dump planes and capacity into airports they can get the best deal with and will up sticks as quickly if the terms of those deals change.

My personal opinion is that negotiations with MAG over the future of FR at EMA are still very much ongoing and the new routes announced at BHX are just a warning shot to help the EMA negotiations go in FR's favour i.e we're happy to go for growth at BHX if you don't give us what we want. I think they want to expand at EMA but they haven't yet got the deal they want.

The FR-BHX relationship has been testy at best and after much fanfare when the BHX base opened, it quickly stagnated and I've lost count of the number of routes they've dropped over the years.

Having said all this, BHX are gaining from whatever the issues are at EMA and I for one would be more than happy to see a lot more FR destinations and bases units at BHX (Berlin, please,please!!) but we have to have eyes very much open to the fact that FR could scoot growth back up the M42 in no time.

[FRatSTN]

Could it be maybe that Ryanair perhaps need to meet certain volumes to unlock growth incentives at other airports (ie BHX or MAN), and just holding off sales from EMA to force more bookings from elsewhere.

Nobody knows really what the reason is so can speculate all we like. Likewise nothing is on sale from LBA from end of March 22 when comparable routes from other UK airports are. I don't see it as a sign of closing EMA as a base personally.

[EMACargo]

Nothing from Ryanair now after October. They must be having a computer glitch?

[BHX5DME]

They must of heard us, flights now on sale till March 22

[EMACargo]

Shows the flights but still not available to book

[EGNXROB]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/ryanair-flights-east-midlands-airport-5864810.amp

Seems Ryanair are in negotiations with the east midlands, whilst the airport appears confident it will benefit Ryanair’s 2022 schedule

[SWBKCB]

Other airports where they operate, such as Teesside, Exeter, and Newquay Cornwall, also have no flights in 2022.

All have RYR flights bookable beyond the end of the year.

[EGNXROB]

The new UPS facility is now officially open
https://www.eastmidlandsbusinesslink.co.uk/mag/property/ups-opens-expanded-138m-air-hub-in-the-east-midlands/

[Balair]

Has there been any indication as to the future use of their vacated facility?

[ATNotts]

Has the EMA schedule been adjusted since the opening of the new facility. Obviously 747s are starting to appear, are the flight timings or routings changed as well?

[EGNXROB]

The flight times should be around the same as before, most days it’ll be a 747-8F operating and day stops Mondays before departing to Cologne at 22:00

[Bobburns321]

Interesting video doing the rounds on Youtube from Sunday afternoon. ‘Near miss’ between a Tui and Ryanair.

[Smudge's Lot]

Near Miss my a**e.
Bog standard go-around instruction by ATC.

[EGNXROB]

Hearing fedex have been looking into bringing their MD11F through East Midlands from Memphis, was originally planned to begin in August but has been delayed

[Balair]

Maybe this proposed development is a result of the consolidation of the FedEx and TNT air networks. Are you aware of the planned routing?
I suppose the restructuring could also lead to FedEx assessing whether loads on the existing MAN/BHX-CDG flights could be consolidated through EMA?

[EGNXROB]

I’m unsure of the exact routing, just know there’s a couple of reasons why it hasn’t began as of yet one being a shortage of aircraft.

Also to note Prime air have added another daily route MAD-EMA-BCN using a 737-800F

[Balair]

Thanks EGNXROB,
I have heard mention of aircraft availability issues also.
One source also suggested MEM-EMA-CDG-EMA-MEM is the planned routing, but how firm this is I don’t know.
At least it indicates that EMA seems to feature in FedEx’s future planning.

[EGNXROB]

That would make a lot of sense and I’d assume they’d move the cargo from the man/bhx - cdg to EMA-CDG I do know a stand was marked out for a MD11 back when the eastern apron was extended which everyone assumed it was for UPS now may seem was ready for the FedEx service.

[EGNXROB]

East Jet have extended the Belfast International - East Midlands route, now on sale until 12 December 2021.

Still nothing bookable from Ryanair 2022 yet.

[OltonPete]

2nd January on the app

[EGNXROB]

New weekly cargo route beginning next week 26/10 Qatar cargo 777F routing Doha - EMA - Oslo arrives 15:15 departs 17:05, also Cargojet begin their Hamilton route this evening using a 767F

[EGNXROB]

Another cargo addition, x2 weekly Aerotranscargo 747-400F now operating HKG-NQZ-EMA on behalf of DHL. Arr 14:55 dep 20:00.

[Smudge's Lot]

TUI to use 2x 787 for DHL work EMA-JFK/MIA for 7 weeks

[ATNotts]

TUI were operating 2 x 787 3 or 4 nights per week EMA / MIA during the summer, before the travel rules were relaxed presumably allowing TUI to resume PAX operations with them. Is this new operation 1 x MIA and 1 x JFK or both aircraft routing EMA-JFK/MIA? I assume the former.

[Smudge's Lot]

I believe its the former, 1 to JFK and 1 to MIA.

[ATNotts]

Clearly the cargo work that TUI UK undertook through the pandemic has opened their eyes to the revenue that can be earned when times are lean in the IT market.

[EGNXROB]

Some other DHL schedule changes

Southern Air 777F CVG-EMA-LEJ (mon)

Cargologic Air 744F EMA-LEJ (Tues)
LAX-EMA-LEJ ( Wed & Sat)
LEJ-EMA-LAX (Fri)
LEJ-EMA (Sun)

Kalitta 744 LEJ-EMA-LAX (Wed & Thurs)

Polar Air 767F EMA-CVG-EMA (daily)

[egnxema]

Here's a question for the data enthusiasts : Is EMA now the UK airport with the highest number of weekly 747 ops?

With so many airlines retiring the type from pax ops at LHR, LGW and MAN, and the recent arrival of new 747 cargo flights in the schedules at EMA, the numbers must be heading in that direction, if they have not already got there.

[almost professional]

All those movements by proper aircraft - almost makes me wish I was back doing nights……almost!

[Buster the Bear]

Ryanair have confirmed their programme for Summer 22 from East Midlands.

[LGS6753]

Details of Ryanair's S22 programme:

https://ukaviation.news/ryanair-to-turn-east-midlands-into-a-key-airport-for-summer-22/

[BHX5DME]

Dont you love the press spin !
Less routes than last year !
Just that they have negotiated a new deal so they are selling them as 'massive growth' but in reality little has changed

[CCFAIRPORT]

Warsaw/WMI and Lodz will be cut for s22

[Balair]

I understand that “commercially sensitive” discussions were taking place during the Summer with a company (or companies) regarding the former UPS facility.
There are a couple of obvious candidates that I can think of that may be interested, however it could be a new one for EMA, although I doubt this due to the size of the facility.
Does anyone know if anything has been finalised yet?

[EMACargo]

a little cryptic. What have you heard and I may be able to help

[Balair]

The “commercially sensitive” comment is from the last published minutes of the ICC meeting.
FedEx is the name that is mentioned most often on the rumour network as the most likely to be moving in, closely followed by Amazon, but I have heard a few other unlikely ones.
I would have imagined that the airport has been in talks for some time to attract a new tenant for the facility, so I wondered if the outcome had been made public yet.

[EMACargo]

So, I’ve heard it won’t be FedEx as per your above statement. Possibly the smiley planes may have a base

[Balair]

Interesting. Thanks for the feedback.

[Buster the Bear]

https://www.aircargonews.net/cargo-airport/cargo-booms-at-uks-east-midlands-airport/

[egnxema]

Saturday 18th Dec a QR 747 (flight QR8856) was scheduled on FR24 to fly AUH - EMA arr at approx 1640. En route it diverted to MXP

I assumed it might have been connected to the AUH Grand Prix maybe, bringing team kit back to the UK. But interested in the MXP divert / re-route.

does anyone know if the flight did arrive in to EMA overnight Sat, or any time today?

[EGNXROB]

Saturday 18th Dec a QR 747 (flight QR8856) was scheduled on FR24 to fly AUH - EMA arr at approx 1640. En route it diverted to MXP

I assumed it might have been connected to the AUH Grand Prix maybe, bringing team kit back to the UK. But interested in the MXP divert / re-route.

does anyone know if the flight did arrive in to EMA overnight Sat, or any time today?

Both QR 747-8’s was due to operate through EMA on F1 duties Thursday & Saturday and had flight plans filed but believe DHL rejected them as the times clashed with peak time at DHL, the first operated to Doncaster and the second Milan then onto Stansted I believe.

[EGNXROB]

Silkway cargo to operate x2 weekly 747F - Thursdays and Fridays routing Hong Kong - Baku - EMA
Should begin 13th Jan.

[ATNotts]

Silkway cargo to operate x2 weekly 747F - Thursdays and Fridays routing Hong Kong - Baku - EMA
Should begin 13th Jan.
Is this a reletting of the ATG contract that has been operating in the run up to Christmas, or a new service?

[EGNXROB]

I’m unsure about the ATG service there doesn’t seem to be any slots in for it this week but they did tend to file late anyway, there should also be some extra Airbridge cargo 747’s from HKG over the coming weeks first slot Thursday 6th

[ATNotts]

I noticed that (according to FR34) AeroLogic operated the BOX340 routing LEJ/EMA/LAX yesterday. I understood that post Brexit EU carriers couldn't operate revenue services between UK and USA, hence why Cargo Logic and Kalitta have been operating the Leipzig/EMA-Los Angeles route for DHL and can't recall seeing them operating EMA/LAX over the last few months - though I have to say I don't go looking for it.

Has anything changed legally, or was this a one off licence to operate the route?

[EGNXROB]

FedEx new route on the 777F - begins 31st Jan CDG-EMA-IND Mon-Thurs 23:20 arrival 01:00 departure

DHL Air UK’s first 777F should be delivered Feb and second March with 2 other’s coming from China Cargo on lease.

Regarding the Aerologic 777 EMA - LAX route operates wed/thurs with Cargologic operating 5 weekly along side. Unsure what has changed to allow this route but know they used to operate the route when it first started.

[Rutan16]

I noticed that (according to FR34) AeroLogic operated the BOX340 routing LEJ/EMA/LAX yesterday. I understood that post Brexit EU carriers couldn't operate revenue services between UK and USA, hence why Cargo Logic and Kalitta have been operating the Leipzig/EMA-Los Angeles route for DHL and can't recall seeing them operating EMA/LAX over the last few months - though I have to say I don't go looking for it.

Has anything changed legally, or was this a one off licence to operate the route?

Perversely as with everything "B: UK carriers must stop in the UK from mainland EU however EU carriers CAN operate from the UK under long standing way pre EEC cargo and shipping terms !

[EGNXROB]

Seems the Aerologic LAX flight was only a temporary replacement, Kalitta Air 744F’s back in replacement of the Aerologic Wed’s & Thurs starting next Wednesday 2nd Feb. Still running alongside the 5 weekly LAX Cargologic 744 which now also has a Monday rotation EMA-LEJ-BAH and a Thursday CVG-EMA.

[deltahotel]

Hey EGNXROB. Don’t forget the extra 767s coming to DHK!

[EMACargo]

So now the 1st DHL UK 777F has been delivered, has any routes been confirmed for the initial plane?

[ATNotts]

So now the 1st DHL UK 777F has been delivered, has any routes been confirmed for the initial plane?

By the looks of it Prestwick at the moment!! (plenty of training to be done I'm sure).

I am sure someone will come up with a rather more sensible reply!!
​​​​​​

[Balair]

FedEx

Following the introduction of the EMA-IND route, has there been any further indication from FedEx that they are still looking to operate Eastbound into EMA from the States, either from IND or, as was suggested last September, from MEM?

[egnxema]

Also interested in Balair’s question. This eve on FR24 I watched the FedEx 757 depart EMA for Leige, as the 777 pulled on stand from CDG. And then noticed a 757 leaving BHX for CDG. I think there is also a MAN-CDG FedEx route too. Anyone know why the rotes are not consolidated to a larger type flying from the US to CDG via EMA on the other leg?

[STN Ramp Rat]

Also interested in Balair’s question. This eve on FR24 I watched the FedEx 757 depart EMA for Leige, as the 777 pulled on stand from CDG. And then noticed a 757 leaving BHX for CDG. I think there is also a MAN-CDG FedEx route too. Anyone know why the rotes are not consolidated to a larger type flying from the US to CDG via EMA on the other leg?

The EMA-IND route is only at EMA due to a shortage of night slots at STN. FedEx have had night slot issues at STN for some time and previously operated a EWR-STN-CDG-EWR service that should have operated vis STN on the return to the US but due to a lack of night slots had to operate directly to the US on the return. eventually when it became aparent that the issue would not be resolved the service became a EWR-CDG-EWR route.

With regards to the variety of points of origin for flights to CDG remember FedEx is a parcels service and its all about the box, the aircraft will go wherever the box’s originate or terminate. A prime example of this is with DHL at Luton, they cannot get LHR slots for the London inbound sort so the flights operate to LTN, in the evening the flights position empty to LHR to collect the outbound London sort because LHR is closer to the sort location than LTN.

[ATNotts]

Looks as though, unsurprisingly, the Air Bridge Sunday operation HKG/KJA-EMA is a victim of the current political situation.

Is there a 'plan B' in place with a different carrier and routing?

[Balair]

[QUOTE=STN Ramp Rat;11190371]The EMA-IND route is only at EMA due to a shortage of night slots at STN. FedEx have had night slot issues at STN for some time and previously operated a EWR-STN-CDG-EWR service that should have operated vis STN on the return to the US but due to a lack of night slots had to operate directly to the US on the return. eventually when it became aparent that the issue would not be resolved the service became a EWR-CDG-EWR route

Slot availability at STN may have been a factor, but I think it’s a little too simplistic to say that this is the only reason for the introduction of the FedEx IND route from EMA.
With DHL and UPS having multiple daily direct flights to/from North America from their hubs at EMA, FedEx probably felt they needed to improve their offering from the UK’s logistics “golden triangle”. Edward Clarke, Vice President of FedEx operations UK said as much, stating they had selected EMA for the new service because of its strategic location and to give a boost to their operations in the Midlands. That being the case I would imagine an Eastbound service would be under consideration for the future.

[ATNotts]

I have noticed that particularly at the weekend BA cargo flights show on FR24 from Frankfurt and on occasions from other European points. Clearly they aren't operating, but what is the history of those operations or slots and which carriers would be operating them on BA's behalf were they not "phantom" entries on FR24?

[EGNXROB]

Ryanair add Marseille 2 weekly mon/Fri begins 2nd May 22

[BHX5DME]

February Pax

STN – 1,150,746 down 39% on Feb 2019

MAN – 1,135,317 down 37% on Feb 2019

EMA – 110,435 down 49% on Feb 2019


Rolling 12m

STN – 8,813,319 up 126% on 12m ago

MAN – 7,772,748 up 111% on 12m ago

EMA – 992,848 UP 91% ON 12M AGO


February Freight

EMA – 35,285 up 4% on Feb 2021

STN – 18,128 down 12% on Feb 2021

MAN – 4,964 up 19% on Feb 2021

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[Balair]

Freeport

A map showing the location of the Freeport tax sites which will be centred on and around the airport can now be viewed on the GOV.UK website.
The main site is a huge area to the South of the airport stretching between Diseworth and Donington Services. The area is roughly that of the Segro EM Gateway which also now includes three new tax sites.

There are are two sites shown on the airport itself. One covers the majority of the central maintenance area, including long stay car park one. The other is the area at the extreme Western end of the airport which is currently used for car parking.
Indications show that provision has been made here for a sizeable extension to the Western ramp. I would imagine therefore, that this location will probably be used for additional freight facilities.

One area that has not been included in the Freeport planning is that to the East of the new UPS hub, so it could be that this is already earmarked for a new ramp to cater for UPS’s future expansion.

It remains to be seen what transpires, but with the continued growth in airfreight at EMA I can imagine more ramp space will be required sooner rather than later.

[Local Variation]

Freeport

A map showing the location of the Freeport tax sites which will be centred on and around the airport can now be viewed on the GOV.UK website.
The main site is a huge area to the South of the airport stretching between Diseworth and Donington Services. The area is roughly that of the Segro EM Gateway which also now includes three new tax sites.

There are are two sites shown on the airport itself. One covers the majority of the central maintenance area, including long stay car park one. The other is the area at the extreme Western end of the airport which is currently used for car parking.
Indications show that provision has been made here for a sizeable extension to the Western ramp. I would imagine therefore, that this location will probably be used for additional freight facilities.

One area that has not been included in the Freeport planning is that to the East of the new UPS hub, so it could be that this is already earmarked for a new ramp to cater for UPS’s future expansion.

It remains to be seen what transpires, but with the continued growth in airfreight at EMA I can imagine more ramp space will be required sooner rather than later.

Flew a glide approach into the airfield yesterday coming inside the M1 over the new Amazon buildings on the north side, to land westerly. The site is a huge footprint when viewed from directly above.

Mentioned this to my Brother today over a coffee. He spent a lifetime at LCC covering NW Leics planning permissions. He mentioned that the land south of the A453 between the M1 services and the a/p entrance has long been ear marked for freight warehousing development - plus a load of new homes toward Dizzyworth for the new employees.

He suggested this will move forward now. We shall see.

[Balair]

FedEx

In light of the reports that FedEx are to cease their MAN-BHX-CDG route, do we know what, if any, changes are planned for EMA?

[OltonPete]

FedEx

In light of the reports that FedEx are to cease their MAN-BHX-CDG route, do we know what, if any, changes are planned for EMA?

First priority I would have thought at EMA is to stop burning fuel in the air each night the 777 operates. Three times around the hold tonight and this is not a one-off but I suppose it is part of the success of EMA cargo at this time.

Pete

[ATNotts]

We will find out next week, but with EasyJet pulling BFS/EMA at the end of this month BHD/EMA ought to be in amongst the new Flybe offering since it will become an unserved city pairing, and one which has always been pretty popular.

[EGNXROB]

FedEx

In light of the reports that FedEx are to cease their MAN-BHX-CDG route, do we know what, if any, changes are planned for EMA?


FEDEX adding a 4 weekly mon-thurs 767F EMA- CDG - EMA replacing the man/bhx - CDG
begins 28th March.

[EGNXROB]

Longtail 744 to take up some LAX flights for DHL whilst Cargologic air are currently grounded. Ops Sundays and Tuesdays

[Rutan16]

Longtail 744 to take up some LAX flights for DHL whilst Cargologic air are currently grounded. Ops Sundays and Tuesdays Presume Cargologic grounded because it’s really a Russian carrier in disguise 🥸

[Flightmech]

The EMA-IND route is only at EMA due to a shortage of night slots at STN. FedEx have had night slot issues at STN for some time and previously operated a EWR-STN-CDG-EWR service that should have operated vis STN on the return to the US but due to a lack of night slots had to operate directly to the US on the return. eventually when it became aparent that the issue would not be resolved the service became a EWR-CDG-EWR route.

With regards to the variety of points of origin for flights to CDG remember FedEx is a parcels service and its all about the box, the aircraft will go wherever the box’s originate or terminate. A prime example of this is with DHL at Luton, they cannot get LHR slots for the London inbound sort so the flights operate to LTN, in the evening the flights position empty to LHR to collect the outbound London sort because LHR is closer to the sort location than LTN.

Neither the cancellation of the STN stop on the FX5047 EWR-CDG-(STN)-EWR or the decision to route the CDG-EMA-IND 777 via EMA had nothing to do with night slot availability. The 777 into EMA is a “late to late” flight offering a later drop off and a later next day delivery commitment and goes into one of the new response sorts (sunrise) in IND. It has a 120K allocation ex CDG and 40K ex EMA. There is already a 3x weekly CDG-STN-IND MD11 that goes into the regular IND night sort.

[ATNotts]

Presume Cargologic grounded because it’s really a Russian carrier in disguise 🥸
Indeed, the German arm is also grounded for similar reasons. Can't believe it took the British and German regulators so long to take action.

[craigyton2]

Flybe have announced two routes from EMA.
East Midlands - Amsterdam, Daily,starts 22nd April
East Midlands- Beifast City 2x Daily, starts 7th of July.

[ATNotts]

Flybe have announced two routes from EMA.
East Midlands - Amsterdam, Daily,starts 22nd April
East Midlands- Beifast City 2x Daily, starts 7th of July.

BHD ought to work for both Flybe and EMA with EasyJet giving up BFS/EMA at the end of March. Provided they have got in place an interline agreement with KLM and the timings fit in to some extent with onward connections at Schiphol AMS could do quite well too. Both routes probably have better chances of success than trying to compete with KLM on AMS/LHR!!

[egnxema]

BHD ought to work for both Flybe and EMA with EasyJet giving up BFS/EMA at the end of March. Provided they have got in place an interline agreement with KLM and the timings fit in to some extent with onward connections at Schiphol AMS could do quite well too. Both routes probably have better chances of success than trying to compete with KLM on AMS/LHR!!

Fully agree ATNotts ! The LHR routes to BHD, LBA and AMS look dreadful choices, but I guess they are associated to the former bmi slots.

But the EMA routes should have every reason to succeed, and if BE manage to get a KL code on the AMS route it would be brilliant for EMA pax through ticketing to KL's global network. However, from my time at KL, their pilot unions keep very very tight control on which and how many partner airlines can carry a KL codeshare. But I am REALLY hoping for the codeshare and access to a network carriers hub from EMA.

Maybe the new BE will consider GLA, EDI, NQY, and CDG? (Although CDG is one of the worst hubs for connecting pax)

[ATNotts]

Fully agree ATNotts ! The LHR routes to BHD, LBA and AMS look dreadful choices, but I guess they are associated to the former bmi slots.

But the EMA routes should have every reason to succeed, and if BE manage to get a KL code on the AMS route it would be brilliant for EMA pax through ticketing to KL's global network. However, from my time at KL, their pilot unions keep very very tight control on which and how many partner airlines can carry a KL codeshare. But I am REALLY hoping for the codeshare and access to a network carriers hub from EMA.

Maybe the new BE will consider GLA, EDI, NQY, and CDG? (Although CDG is one of the worst hubs for connecting pax)

GLA and EDI were on my list of "possibles" but without a base at EMA or either of the Scottish airports operating at business friendly timings would be a challenge at present. They are taking a risk offering Scottish services from BHX up against EZY, but as I posted on the Flybe thread I reckon they are betting on EZY moving aircraft of the BHX domestics to serve more profitable routes between UK and the continent during high summer - as they have with the BFS/EMA service. If that doesn't come to pass they may find BHX routes tough, and could conceivably shift the Scottish routes up the M42/A42; doing so wouldn't cut them off from all the BHX market, just the west and north sides of the West Midlands.

[Flying Hi]

!iving in the N W corner of the West Midlands I can assure you that EMA is definitely NOT cut off from us , it just takes, typically, 15 mins longer in the car and none of that horrendous M6 traffic J10 to J5.
Furthermore it has good car parks not placed so far away as to require a Bus to get to the Terminal, alternatively an excelient Meet & Greet.
OK, so it hasn't got a BHX Shopping Mall and Boozers hut you're there to catch a flight. Right?
Since 2018, with exception of. Covid closures, it replaced BHX as my airport of choice for Jet2 holidays except one where they didnt fly there on the day I needed.

[ATNotts]

!iving in the N W corner of the West Midlands I can assure you that EMA is definitely NOT cut off from us , it just takes, typically, 15 mins longer in the car and none of that horrendous M6 traffic J10 to J5.
Furthermore it has good car parks not placed so far away as to require a Bus to get to the Terminal, alternatively an excelient Meet & Greet.
OK, so it hasn't got a BHX Shopping Mall and Boozers hut you're there to catch a flight. Right?
Since 2018, with exception of. Covid closures, it replaced BHX as my airport of choice for Jet2 holidays except one where they didnt fly there on the day I needed.

Interesting; Even more reason to perhaps look at Scotland from EMA then.

[ATNotts]

!iving in the N W corner of the West Midlands I can assure you that EMA is definitely NOT cut off from us , it just takes, typically, 15 mins longer in the car and none of that horrendous M6 traffic J10 to J5.
Furthermore it has good car parks not placed so far away as to require a Bus to get to the Terminal, alternatively an excelient Meet & Greet.
OK, so it hasn't got a BHX Shopping Mall and Boozers hut you're there to catch a flight. Right?
Since 2018, with exception of. Covid closures, it replaced BHX as my airport of choice for Jet2 holidays except one where they didnt fly there on the day I needed.

Interesting; Even more reason to perhaps look at Scotland from EMA then.

[OltonPete]

GLA and EDI were on my list of "possibles" but without a base at EMA or either of the Scottish airports operating at business friendly timings would be a challenge at present. They are taking a risk offering Scottish services from BHX up against EZY, but as I posted on the Flybe thread I reckon they are betting on EZY moving aircraft of the BHX domestics to serve more profitable routes between UK and the continent during high summer - as they have with the BFS/EMA service. If that doesn't come to pass they may find BHX routes tough, and could conceivably shift the Scottish routes up the M42/A42; doing so wouldn't cut them off from all the BHX market, just the west and north sides of the West Midlands.

I would certainly would have considered EMA- Edinburgh over BHX-Glasgow that is for sure. easyjet increase BHX-GLA this Sunday and it is 3 per day some days and although it drops briefly high summer it is restored in September and I just don't see enough demand but of course there isn't an EDI or EMA base to operate it from and I am not sure BHX-EDI-EMA-EDI-BHX would work like the Amsterdam should.

Amsterdam-EMA last time was a success if load factors and fares were anything to go by - CAA stats for 2019 show 48462 pax, 707 flights which is 69 per flight or 88% which is higher than what I thought but shows demand if nothing else.

Pete

[LFS2]

Flybe have announced two routes from EMA.
East Midlands - Amsterdam, Daily,starts 22nd April
East Midlands- Beifast City 2x Daily, starts 7th of July.

All return tickets to Amsterdam currently on their website at £33. Bargain.

[egnxema]

Anyone know why FX47 regularly circles in the hold on arrival to EMA from CDG even when there is nothing else on approach?

[EGNXROB]

Anyone know why FX47 regularly circles in the hold on arrival to EMA from CDG even when there is nothing else on approach?


All down to stand availability yesterday evening there was a extra 777 in from Leige (unsure if this is to be regular) which had to hold over Leicester until a company 757 was moved to the main apron to free up some ramp space on the Eastern cargo apron

[almost professional]

All down to stand availability yesterday evening there was a extra 777 in from Leige (unsure if this is to be regular) which had to hold over Leicester until a company 757 was moved to the main apron to free up some ramp space on the Eastern cargo apron

I can just imagine the conversations on the intercom between Approach and Tower whilst waiting for that manoeuvre to be carried out!

[tweentown]

This service (FX47) seems to be in the hold most evenings. On Monday it was 11 times round the hold and yesterday 6 times around before landing and then waiting on a central apron stand for around half an hour beofre finally moving to Cargo East. This must be expensive in terms of fuel cost and time. There are stands available on cargo east as the two Star Air 767's have just departed but these are used later on for mail flights. Are there any plans to build some new stands?

[egnxema]

This service (FX47) seems to be in the hold most evenings. On Monday it was 11 times round the hold and yesterday 6 times around before landing and then waiting on a central apron stand for around half an hour beofre finally moving to Cargo East. This must be expensive in terms of fuel cost and time. There are stands available on cargo east as the two Star Air 767's have just departed but these are used later on for mail flights. Are there any plans to build some new stands?

wow! 11 times round. You would image it has to be more efficient to at least be in the ground and waiting/idle to then taxi or be towed on stand rather than do 11 laps of the hold.

I can certain imagine that stand allocation gets tight at times in the evening on the East and West aprons, but I’m surprised there isn’t room on the central apron to allow an arrival to land on time and then wait, even for an hour.

or maybe the bit I am missing is the extra parking fees. Is it cheaper to do 11 laps in the air than it is to park a full 777 on stand for an hour?

[almost professional]

If memory serves, its been a while….you cannot get a B777 on to the central apron even under tow - neither Q or R entrance are rated for it

[ATNotts]

One wonders if EMA and / or FedEx at EMA have bitten off more than they can chew in taking on the extra business from FedEx. Even DHL appear to be struggling for resources, be that boots on the ground or ramp / cargo terminal space and in recent months have redirected ad hoc freighters (I'm thinking of F.1 work) that wound up at Doncaster.

If MAG don't invest in additional ramp space there is the distinct risk they could kill the goose that lays the golden egg - that is cargo business - as I feel sure that Doncaster would be more than happy to make disgruntled operators offers they'd find difficult to refuse, particularly Amazon, that has a pretty big logistics operation not far from Finningley.

[almost professional]

Time for another stand marking repaint then…..

[tweentown]

For the record FX47 was temporarily parked on Stand 42 on the Central West Apron last night.

[Balair]

Given the known stand (and possibly manpower) constraints at the airport at that time of day, it was possibly not the wisest decision to divert in FDX21 yesterday evening.
Extra ramp space is not going to be a quick fix. I would imagine around 18/24 months from submission of plans to the planning authorities to it being operational. That’s always supposing the airport have any expansion plans already developed. Is there anyone “in-the-know” who could indicate if that is the case?

In the short term, FedEx and the airport need to come up with some creative thinking to get around the current problem, or I suspect FDX47 may be quickly “under review”.

I’m no expert, and I know there are many factors involved at the relevant airports, but from what I’ve seen (apart from last night) turn around times for this flight seem quite good once the aircraft is on stand. So could its departure time from CDG be tweaked slightly to build in a little more leeway at EMA?

[tweentown]

Interestingly there was no holding for the FX47 last night and it parked on stand 73 on Cargo East. In the past stand 73 was only configured for maximum Boeing 757, so maybe some re-configuration has taken place as suggested by AP. Also, I think this may only have been possible because the Fedex 757 parked on the adjacent stand left earlier than previously, so it could be that this has been re-scheduled as part of the solution.

[egnxema]

Not seen EMA-LAX or EMA-MIA on F24 recently. Has the increase in scheduled pax traffic to these destinations out of the UK reduced the need for the all freight flights?

maybe I’m just not looking at the right time.

[BHX5DME]

https://emamovements.********.com

[EGNXROB]

Jet2 to base a extra aircraft during summer 23 adding a 1 weekly Santorini and adding extra capacity on existing routes taking them over 100 weekly departures.


https://www.jet2.com/news/2022/04/Jet2_com_and_Jet2holidays_announce_major_expansion_for_Summe r_2023

[N707ZS]

Has the daily Kalitta 747 flight stopped. What replaced it.

[EGNXROB]

Has the daily Kalitta 747 flight stopped. What replaced it.

It was replaced by the Cargologic 744 5 weekly, 1 Aerologic 777 op and 1 DHL U.K. 777 op. But since the end of Cargologic it’s been a non op for a couple of weeks.

Also of note DHL U.K. have a new 5 weekly EMA-BAH-LEJ-EMA 763F

[Stu707]

Are we likely to see a return of the Los Angeles and Miami flights in the near future and if so which aircraft will used

[ATNotts]

EGNXROB

You posted up thread that Longtail were to take up some of the LAX capacity lost when Cargologic were grounded, and there were a couple of rotations.

Subsequently I have noticed Longtail operating through Doncaster, not sure though whether they are connected with the EMA/LAX service.

[Stu707]

Checked Longtail movements and cannot see anything to suggest that they have been assisting DHL with any flights out of Doncaster

[EGNXROB]

EGNXROB

You posted up thread that Longtail were to take up some of the LAX capacity lost when Cargologic were grounded, and there were a couple of rotations.

Subsequently I have noticed Longtail operating through Doncaster, not sure though whether they are connected with the EMA/LAX service.

The longtail 744 ops through EMA ended up as Jaguar Land Rover charters to LAX through DHL, the confusion was the slots matched roughly the same slot times as the usual Cargologic 744 ops to LAX

[Stu707]

The longtail 744 ops through EMA ended up as Jaguar Land Rover charters to LAX through DHL, the confusion was the slots matched roughly the same slot times as the usual Cargologic 744 ops to LAX
Maybe someone in the know will be able to supply the answers in due course as to whether these services will return to EMA

[ATNotts]

The longtail 744 ops through EMA ended up as Jaguar Land Rover charters to LAX through DHL, the confusion was the slots matched roughly the same slot times as the usual Cargologic 744 ops to LAX

Without betraying any trade confidentialities, was the Cargologic LAX operation general DHL cargo, or perhaps whole plane charters brokered by DHL? Going back to the turn of the century JLR (under previous ownership) ran a long series of charters from Detroit (YIP) into BHX carrying engines for the Jaguar "S" Type. Wondered if the Cargologic could have been of the same nature, but obviously different commodity.

[SCFC1EP]

Noticed FX47 CDG-EMA-IND not operated last couple of nights is this planned break over easter or was it just a temporary flight

[EGNXROB]

Noticed FX47 CDG-EMA-IND not operated last couple of nights is this planned break over easter or was it just a temporary flight

FX47 returns tonight after a break over the Easter period I believe

[EGNXROB]

DHL Air UK’s next 777F G-DHLX is currently on delivery flight to East Midlands due 05:00 25/5

[Mr @ Spotty M]

I guess you mean 05:00 on the 25th?

[pabely]

Trouble tonight, few diversions, DHLs to STN and LTN, RYRs gone to MAN?

[Matt995]

Trouble tonight, few diversions, DHLs to STN and LTN, RYRs gone to MAN?

drone activity I believe close to the airfield, maybe in connection with the Download Festival at Donnington Park? Airfield now re-open, diversions also went to Birmingham and Leeds/Bradford

[ATNotts]

drone activity I believe close to the airfield, maybe in connection with the Download Festival at Donnington Park? Airfield now re-open, diversions also went to Birmingham and Leeds/Bradford

The drone situation has hit the BBC News website UK front page. I would imagine that these incidents, and there was one the previous day as well, will probably ensure that the Download Festival will not be returning to EMA next year as the airport and the CAA are surely likely to object to it doing so not only on commercial grounds, but more so because being so close to the airport and threshold of RW09 there is clearly a danger to aviation. That would of course be extremely disappointing for festival goers, most of whom aren't quite so stupid, and to Donington Park and local businesses for whom I am sure the revenue is more than welcome.

However Leicestershire Country Council really needs to decide which enterprise, EMA or Donington Park is of most value to the region in terms of economic benefit and employment and ensure that the airport operation, not just from Download but also other racing and other events, is not adversely effected whether from an operation perspective, or from the perspective of customers, whether passengers or freight operators accessing the airport facilities. If they deem Donington Park to be of greater benefit then so be it, but I would doubt that Donington Park sustains even 5% 0f the number of full time jobs that EMA and the surrounding associated businesses do.

[SWBKCB]

Who was there first? :ok:

[almost professional]

My guess is some kind of muddle through will be negotiated, Download has been a pain for years - traffic, Pyros during performances, poor lighting security etc but still it returns - needs the Freight boys to lean on someone big time to stop it.

[ATNotts]

Who was there first? :ok:
As an active facility EMA.

IIRC the Wheatcroft family didn't reactivate the racing circuit until the mid 1970s, around 10 years after Castle Donington was opened to commercial traffic. Download came along very much later.

[SWBKCB]

The circuits pre-war, the airfield 1943

[ATNotts]

The circuits pre-war, the airfield 1943
Correct, however it was inactive for decades, as was the airfield. The airport was opened considerably earlier than the circuit in modern times.

The two entities often conflict especially during the summer season and LCC need sort which one brings most to the table economically and make day to day planning decisions accordingly.

[SWBKCB]

Correct, however it was inactive for decades, as was the airfield. The airport was opened considerably earlier than the circuit in modern times.

The two entities often conflict especially during the summer season and LCC need sort which one brings most to the table economically and make day to day planning decisions accordingly.

Or they can work out how they can co-exist. When Monsters of Rock started in 1980, the biggest inconvenience to sleepy EMA was keeping the staff awake...

[ATNotts]

Or they can work out how they can co-exist. When Monsters of Rock started in 1980, the biggest inconvenience to sleepy EMA was keeping the staff awake...

Of course you're correct, and there is a simple answer, just one word - infrastructure.

Were the current A453 that runs parallel to the passenger and cargo facilities to be a dedicated access route to the airport, and a new by-pass road offering access to Donington Park and onward towards Breedon on the Hill and Ashby built that would go a long way towards alleviating the congestion and disruption to Airport users, both passenger and logistics that suffer with every largish event at the Donington Park site. Will it happen? Given the UK record on sensible infrastructure developments I wouldn't place a bet on it.

However, the question of Download and the air safety aspects - drones now, pyrotechnics as @almost professional mentioned and I wouldn't mind betting if not already, but at some stage the misuse of laser pens - may be insurmountable. Nobody would want to see an accident caused as a result of activities at an event not related to the event itself, and it is questionable whether Download should be allowed to continue in its current form on that site. It may be an accident looking for somewhere to happen.

[EGNXROB]

IPS Airways to operate a A330 Mondays to Islamabad and Sundays to Lahore begins Monday 8th August. Feel like we’ve been down this road before so we shall see..

[ATNotts]

IPS Airways to operate a A330 Mondays to Islamabad and Sundays to Lahore begins Monday 8th August. Feel like we’ve been down this road before so we shall see..

I share your scepticism! Company registered in July 2021, one director, paid up share capital 100 shares at £1 each. No accounts filed yet. Unsurprisingly no AOC issued by the CAA, so just a "virtual airline", but worse, one with no assets.

Question is, why would anyone give their money to a business like this to transport them to Pakistan, or frankly anywhere a lot closer! I am not in the least surprised that the airport PR machine hasn't jumped all over this one, it appears to be a prime candidate for an unglamorous appearance on Watchdog or Rip-off Britain (BBC TV shows).

[EGNXROB]

Couple to note -

DHL AIR have re introduced it’s EMA-BRU-MIA-EMA route (767F) albeit only 1 weekly compared to the original 6 weekly MIA route

Also the daily DHL Air EMA-CVG-EMA run is now operated by a 777F instead of the 767F.

[EMACargo]

Tonight was the last UPS 747 on the 5X237 from Philadelphia for a while. Not sure when it is due back

[EGNXROB]

Tonight was the last UPS 747 on the 5X237 from Philadelphia for a while. Not sure when it is due back
Reverted back to the 767 whilst the loads are down during the summer, should hopefully be back during the winter period but as with cargo nothing is guaranteed.

[egnxema]

With the confirmation that operations will cease at DSA next month (very sad to know that hundreds of aviation colleagues will be affected) TUI has made this statement (from TTG)

Tui will pump additional capacity for summer 2023 into several airports neighbouring Doncaster Sheffield airport (DSA) to support customers due to fly from DSA next year.

It was confirmed on Monday (26 September) that operations at DSA would begin to be wound down at the end of October following a strategic review, with DSA owner Peel Group.

Tui managing director UK and Ireland Andrew Flintham branded the decision was "incredibly disappointing". He confirmed Tui’s last flight from DSA would be on 4 November, and that Tui staff at DSA would be offered alternative roles.

In response to the closure, additional weekly flights will be available from Leeds Bradford, East Midlands and Manchester airports next summer to a range of the group’s most popular destinations. These include services to the mainland Spain, the Balearics and the Canaries, Greece, Turkey, Cyprus and Egypt.

Tui will also launch two new routes from East Midlands to Antalya and Hurghada and three new routes from Leeds Bradford to Dalaman, Antalya and Dubrovnik.

In total, the three airports will offer flights to 54 destinations across 17 countries next summer. This includes 67 flights a week to Greece offering more than 600,000 seats and 34 flights a week to Turkey providing more than 300,000 seats.

Tui will operate both new routes at East Midlands airport twice-a-week, with Antalya flights on Wednesdays and Saturdays and Hurghada flights on Tuesdays and Fridays.

It will also operate two of the three new routes at Leeds Bradford twice-a-week, with both its Dalaman and Antalya flights operating on Wednesdays and Saturdays. The new Dubrovnik flights from Leeds Bradford will be on Thursdays, timed to allow customers to connect with Marella Cruises itineraries.

Elsewhere, Tui is upping capacity to several other destinations next summer. It will put on 175,000 seats to Cyprus, 10 flights a week to Egypt, 60,000 seats to Cape Verde and 18 flights a week to support it Marella Cruises programmes in Dubrovnik, Palma, Corfu and the US.

Richard Sofer, Tui UK and Ireland commercial and business development director, said: "With the unfortunate closure of Doncaster Sheffield airport, we know these customers will still want access to a great variety of holiday destinations, so it’s exciting to be able to offer this from other surrounding airports.

"Not only does this reconfirm our commitment to customers in the region, but it also shows our support for regional airports and the value they bring to the UK."

[Balair]

I know it’s probably still work in progress, but a quick look at Tui flights summer timetable for 2023 suggests (all be it without studying it that closely) that they are planning to base 5 aircraft at EMA, at least for part of the week. No doubt all will be confirmed in the coming weeks.

[Vokes55]

I wouldn't read too much into that, a lot of the old DSA flights have just been "copy/pasted" into EMA, most likely to allow existing DSA customers to rebook. The schedule will be refined over the coming months.

I'd imagine EMA could get a fourth based aircraft, possibly with the addition of some extra third party flights from the likes of Freebird and Air Europa, but would be surprised if it's any more than that.

[samj]

Wonder if EMA will get TUI 787s back in time? or will TUI direct all the long haul's from DSA to MAN?

[Sharklet_321]

Pretty sure they’ll consolidate at MAN

[EGNXROB]

Jet2 have put S24 flights up for sale

Two new routes to Crete (Chania) & Naples.
Taken from the Jet2 press release - East Midlands Airport


34 sun destinations on sale (peak number of flights per week in brackets)
Antalya (5), Bodrum (2), Dalaman (7), Izmir (2), Tenerife (7), Lanzarote (5), Fuerteventura (3), Gran Canaria (3), Reus (3), Alicante (7), Malaga (7), Girona (1), Palma (Majorca) (12), Ibiza (6), Menorca (3), Faro (Algarve) (8), Madeira (1), Crete (Heraklion) (2), Crete (Chania) (1), Corfu (3), Kefalonia (2), Skiathos (2), Santorini (1), Kos (2), Rhodes (3), Zante (3), Larnaca (3), Paphos (2), Naples (1), Verona (1), Bulgaria (Bourgas) (2), Dubrovnik (2), Malta (1), Jersey (1)
Over 100 departing weekly flights during peak periods

[EGNXROB]

- Ryanair new route to Girona. Summer seasonal flights start 26 March 2023 2 weekly Fridays & Sundays.

- Looking at TUI’s schedule during peak S23 seems to require 5 Based AC

- DHL have added LAX to its inbound cargo winter schedule with Cargojet (767F) along with some extra Cincinnati flights per week again with Cargojet

also a interesting quote from head of media from the airport
“The airport is currently considering expansion plans and it is currently at the heart of a freeport bid to create economic activity nearby (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-56252586?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=603f8decb4f28002d08ca8a1%26Sunak%20announces%20e ight%20locations%20of%20new%20freeports.%262021-03-03T13%3A26%3A51.342Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:66233c78-8036-4a4c-bf71-cfab7fc41d2f&pinned_post_asset_id=603f8decb4f28002d08ca8a1&pinned_post_type=share&fbclid=IwAR0QMPStE1_M8Ht8mWrRLe0jbg7xlqh0-0wE1AXZ55HinVk59_Pe6kVnCEM)."We know looking at the trajectory of growth that it is going to continue so future expansion plans will be to facilitate that growth," Mr Reed-Aspley added.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-63234530.amp

[Balair]

I would imagine additional ramp space has to be their priority, as I’ve heard space, particularly on Cargo East, is becoming somewhat problematic at times.
As far as I can see, the only way of achieving this is to build cargo “Far-East” beyond the UPS hub, although it would obviously necessitate costly additional taxiway work. (It may well be worth considering constructing the small runway extension planned for the 27 end at the same time?) It would also mean that the ramp would initially be exclusively for UPS, at least until any additional transit sheds are built there.
With regard to Cargo West it seems any expansion would necessitate the relocation of the JCB hangar (good forward planning there)! otherwise perhaps they might consider laying more concrete to bring stands 200-203 up to “fully operational” nose-in standard. This would obviously not increase capacity, but would reduce ground handling somewhat.
No doubt we can anticipate planning applications to be submitted in the not too distant future.

[EGNXROB]

TUI New route to Gran Canaria 1 weekly from 6th Nov 23, up to 2 weekly for S24

[craigyton2]

Looks like Eastern Airways are starting a daily service from EMA to NQY in February next year. Great to have Eastern back!

[EGNXROB]

Ryanair brings back Malta for S23 1 weekly beginning 1st April

[EGNXROB]

Been informed UPS are bringing back the 747-8f 5 weekly operating CGN-EMA-HKG in mid January. Believe this service is moving up from STN

[Musket90]

Been informed UPS are bringing back the 747-8f 5 weekly operating CGN-EMA-HKG in mid January. Believe this service is moving up from STN

Stansted are starting a runway rehabilitation project in January involving overnight runway closures so it may be because of this.

[EGNXROB]

TUI have added Turin with Winter seasonal flights start 24th December 23. 1 weekly on Sundays

Also appears from Google flights they’ll be a A320 based at EMA this summer season operating for TUI, unsure of the airline though.

[EMACargo]

Emerald / Aer Lingus launch 26th March with at least a daily flight to Belfast City from East Mids

[egnxema]

Since early Jan a UPS 757 operating flight 5X230 routes CGN-EMA-DUB, it operated direct CGN-DUB previously.

operates 5 nights per week.

[EGNXROB]

Eastern Airways have announced a daily route between EMA & Paris in partnership with Air France, EMA to have a based ATR72, press release also mentions future route expansion from EMA.

https://www.easternairways.com/en-gb/information/media/news/paris-flights-launched-by-eastern-airways/?fbclid=IwAR3tXNFc7TOKpYQTiaaBrzgfbmCS9T5tncAdfUef27c8YqSkge LPsXaDz-A

[EGNXROB]

Seems UPS have added a 5 weekly DUB-EMA-SDF route using a 767-300F. Arr 17:00 Dep 19:00

[egnxema]

Further to the discussion back in SEPT22, can anyone post what summer 23 looks like for TUI at EMA? e.g.Number of based aircraft etc

[FRatSTN]

I believe its 5 aircraft (up 2 on 2022) including a Sunwing and an A320.

[Matt995]

I believe its 5 aircraft (up 2 on 2022) including a Sunwing and an A320.

TUI base for the summer is showing 5 aircraft, 4 TUI B738's, and 1 Sunwing B738

[OltonPete]

Eastern Airways have announced a daily route between EMA & Paris in partnership with Air France, EMA to have a based ATR72, press release also mentions future route expansion from EMA.

https://www.easternairways.com/en-gb/information/media/news/paris-flights-launched-by-eastern-airways/?fbclid=IwAR3tXNFc7TOKpYQTiaaBrzgfbmCS9T5tncAdfUef27c8YqSkge LPsXaDz-A

Orly started today and on its way back now with the Southampton operated in between.

Not sure what is happening to Newquay but now showing 4 per week only all the way to September with no Saturday service until then. Why would you operated 4 per week in August and daily in October?

Pete

[SouthernAlliance]

Orly started today and on its way back now with the Southampton operated in between.

Not sure what is happening to Newquay but now showing 4 per week only all the way to September with no Saturday service until then. Why would you operated 4 per week in August and daily in October?

Pete because it’s Eastern Airways lol

[simoncorbett]

I think originally they said it was going to be from February & daily ….. but it’s only recently started and as stated not daily til October now - but I would expect further changes & not necessarily for the betterment etc

[EGNXROB]

TUI are to base a extra aircraft for summer 24 taking the total to 6, adding 100,000 seats.

https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/air/tui-uk-adds-1-1-million-seats-for-summer-2024

[simoncorbett]

I’ve noticed the Eastern to NQY is being operated by J41

[ATNotts]

I’ve noticed the Eastern to NQY is being operated by J41
I can't say I am surprised given that it was always an odd route to operate daily (as they originally planned) with no useful connections at either end of the route and little demand for business travel.

A weekend leisure operation would have made more sense, the J41 must be a money pit.

[Paul Atkins144]

Ryanair to fly twice weekly to PRG from November ,4 flights in total with Jet2s announcement last week

[OltonPete]

Any idea why East Mids appears in the drop-down on the Internet site?

In the app it is just in the Holidays section.

Pete

[ATNotts]

Any idea why East Mids appears in the drop-down on the Internet site?

In the app it is just in the Holidays section.

Pete
Geneva for the winter perhaps? They fly from there to numerous points in UK and perhaps see a hole in their coverage in the Notts, Derbyshire, South Yorkshire and Lincolnshire area.

[ATNotts]

Air Atlanta appear to be operating inbound cargo flights from Dammam reasonably regularly now, usually a split load with Liege. There's another one today.

Without betraying commercial or security confidence can anyone shed light on what is being shipped in? I thought perhaps fresh produce, but you don't tend to see fruit and vegetables labelled as being Saudi Arabian origin.

Just curious (not after nicking business!!).