Muted

[Dropp the Pilot]

What happened to all the vociferous EK pilots?

Lost the will to live?
All been fired?
Can't pay their Etisalat wifi bill?
New purge of social media actives from the Seventh Floor Lubyanka?

I'm betting on the latter.

[light and variable]

Move along, move along now! I'm not EK but I am ME. I think the redundancies/terminations discussion overall has evolved into two distinct camps; the guys and girls at home who have now lost the impetus to be vociferous (after all whats the point?) , vis-a-vis anyone "lucky enough" to still be on the payroll . . . . . .

[ClassCbird]

Perhaps those that remain are fearing the forced vaccination programme that may start up soon...What a frightening new world we're existing in!

[White Knight]

Any different from being forced to have Yellow Fever, Polio and Smallpox vaccines back in the day? There were many countries that you couldn't travel to, back in that day, without proof of inoculation so why would this be any different?

Quite frankly I'm all for anything that gets us all out of this ridiculous hole the world's governments have got us into!

[what-to-do]

Interesting. I'm not too old to remember thalidomide..... a drug used to relieve morning sickness.... look how that turned out. These new vaccines, all of them, have been rushed through in record time. The drug companies involved have been granted legal indemnity protecting them from being sued down the line. Why?

It normally takes around 10 years to have approval for such drugs, in contrast we have seen these rushed through in 8 months. I also believe that the UAE have sourced their vaccine from dragonmart.... good luck.

[ClassCbird]

WK,
By your own words, it is the World's governments that have got us into this ridiculous hole NOT the virus. Therefore we should not be depending on a vaccine to get us out of the said hole!

Implementing several different vaccines on a global scale will pose bigger health risks than any previous inoculation programmes through sheer scale. At this point in time there is nowhere near enough public information for individuals to make personal, informed decisions.

At what point did you decide that personal choice and liberty was no longer important?

"Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

We should all be very mindful of what we allow in this life...

[mad757]

Dropp the Pilot

The most vociferous ones were culled. When I looked at the names of those that were made redundant it was people I thought had a backbone and would stand their ground. For those that were 'lucky' and stayed they have witnessed an escalation of the climate of fear with the introduction of a system to measure the performance metrics of pilots. I may be wrong but it isn't just the piloting skills being measured, but things like sickness, medical usage, DEWA usage etc. Creating a metric such as this for pilots means no one will speak out for fear of being placed in the lowest scoring group who are most likely to be made redundant next time. Fantastic system for a numbers driven organisation such as EK but completely flawed on many levels if you examine the idea closely. Definitely a system introduced by very clever accountants, problem is they tend to ignore things that can't be measured such as experience. The cost of everything but the value of nothing. There are also definite flight safety implications if indeed such an atmosphere has been introduced, no one operates to the best of their abilities under such pressure. I have a great deal of sympathy for those still there, EK pilots are some of the best in the world just a terrible shame about the management.....

Sorry for the digression but essentially they are all too scared to say anything! And I don't blame them. The underlying threat of losing your job has a massive impact on behaviour!

If those that were so cruelly cast out feel as I do then they are probably mildly relieved and are glad to be home, glad to have the foot of a vindictive, inept management off our necks and busily making plans for the inevitable upswing in aviation or new careers. I think we are the lucky ones.......

[donpizmeov]

what-to-do

You are kind of right. New drug discovery does take a long time to become standard of care. However there have been lots of exceptions. Car-T treatment for some blood cancers was given approval after only Phase 1 testing due to 90%+ response rate. And it's not alone. The FDA and EMS have process for this.
There are lots of scary rumours going around about these vaccines. Mostly by those that think 5G is also responsible for virus spread,but none of these rumours not supported by science.
The corona virus has been known about for a long time. SARS, swine flu, MERS are all part of that virus group. Just the mutated strain has changed. This has helped with expedited drug process. So no, it's not a conspiracy.

The testing of thalidomide is in no way near the quality of testing these vaccines have gone through. It would seem the medical testing learned from mistakes and adapt, just like we do in aviation. And that is a very good thing indeed.

[donpizmeov]

ClassCbird

And what experience /training do you have to make a personal choice re the vaccine? Not sure social media posts/videos count do they?

[ClassCbird]

Don, My body is my experience thank you very much! And my body is MY right, nobody else's.

The example of blood cancer is a poor comparison. That is testing the safety of a drug to use on somebody who already has a high fatality disease! Weighing up risk vs. reward in that scenario is much simpler! When talking about vaccines we are talking preventative medicine. i.e. we are worried about the risks the vaccine poses to somebody that is otherwise perfectly healthy. All vaccines come with risk, not all people are at significant risk of Covid19. Deciding how acceptable that risk is depends on the risk of the catching the disease multiplied by the risk of developing serious illness! (Just read up on yellow fever vaccine risks if you don't already know).

The point is not to say any of these vaccines pose a high risk, but I do not believe everybody should have them. Making them available to those most at risk of catching SarsCov2 and to those most at risk of developing serious Covid19 symptoms is appropriate. However not at the cost of personal choice. There is no need to mandate these vaccines, especially if they are so effective and safe! Surely enough people will be queueing up for them?

However rare possible serious side effects prove to be with these vaccines, is it worth risking your medical license? This should be a personal choice!

Sorry Dropp for hijacking your thread...

[what-to-do]

Don,

Never mentioned any conspiracies. There is simply insufficient data to unequivocally say within the realms of scientific certainty that any of the vaccines are 100% safe now, or in the future. To suggest anything else is foolish. As i mentioned, drug companies have been given legal indemnity. Who would you sue in case of vaccine issues down the road?

Now, I am not suggesting that these vaccines are indeed dangerous, but, I reserve the right to not be vaccinated.

[White Knight]

WK,
By your own words, it is the World's governments that have got us into this ridiculous hole NOT the virus. Therefore we should not be depending on a vaccine to get us out of the said hole!

The world's governments that have got us into this hole is what I said. Correct. And I agree it's NOT the virus... However, these same governments will not reverse their stances now because the loss of face is, for the leaders, far too great!

Maybe I'll rephrase; anything that helps us get out of this hole is welcome. I fully understand that many people are reluctant to subject their bodies to a new, rapid vaccine; however even vaccines that have been around for years can cause long term illness! Just ask my wife, who reacted badly to the Hep B when it was foisted on her by the EK clinic many many years ago!

Mind you, many saying they won't take this new vaccine probably stuff their faces with Maccy Ds followed by couple of post prandial smokes. And they don't see the irony:rolleyes:

[Dropp the Pilot]

Thread Drift of the Year Award.....

[Juan Heych]

Back to the topic...

Once the gestapo blocked PPRUNE the posts decreased. And lately I’m guessing the “survivors” are either unmotivated or feeling The Stockholm Syndrome full on.
What’s left of morale at EK? I’m guessing it’s all about surviving this crisis long enough to find something else.
I enjoyed my time there, but they did me a big favour when they showed me the door.
I’m one of the lucky ones.

[FlyingCroc]

“The world's governments that have got us into this hole is what I said. Correct. And I agree it's NOT the virus..“

Oh really white knight, the virus does not exist, it is just the evil governments worldwide who made this up😂

And of course your flights on the A380 were always full, according to your observation.

[14 6]

Don, My body is my experience thank you very much! And my body is MY right, nobody else's.


Very well answered, you are indeed a ClassCbird!

[14 6]

ClassCbird

And what experience /training do you have to make a personal choice re the vaccine? Not sure social media posts/videos count do they?

I ask you the same question back.

[14 6]

Thread Drift of the Year Award.....

Sorry, I guess we are all just shell shocked and speechless!

[pax britanica]

Of course the virus is real and was not created by governments. But the threat has been there for several decades and nothing or very little was done while zillions were poured into useless military hardware which was never used and never will be .

THE threat to 'our liberty' and way of life at least in the eyes of the West was the big bad red menace, who in fact were too poor and too few for any war whereas it turned out to be accidental actions by some Chinese peasants

[Mr Good Cat]

Can you choose which vaccine you’ll be having? Or do you have to accept the Chinese one bought by the UAE?

[Pif Paf]

Most on the B777 are too busy or too afraid to post.
B777 working max hours, in essence short of pilots!
Fear of saying anything to those above - perfect scenario for management.
New Capt’s hide there heads rather than say anything of great import if they see somethings wrong, they would rather fill in an ASR or whatever it’s now called about something they almost did!
No CDA now for fear of going high, get low is the way ahead!
DSVP and SVP Flt ops say little or nothing.
that’s the situation at EK NOW

[Oldaircrew]

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/720x1280/f18bf97c_f23d_49e8_93ec_7bb9526e0d23_2c7ae31250eafec98f1605b 765efd7735ccb0997.jpeg
This probably hasn’t helped!

[fatbus]

Absolutely no guarantee anyone is now safe . Increase 380 could equate to decrease 777 . Bean counters dream ! VP redundancies gets the big bonus .

[Cantbebothered]

waltair

So nobody here uses VPN when signing in here? That should be one of the joining rules.

[WB1900]

well vpn is just a short term hide
as a ISP can capture the data packets and store them they can be decrypted later - vpn is only immediate safe and technically makes only sense when you have a time depending transaction - e.g. bank transaction - where parts of the transmission become invalid before you are able to decrypt it
in communication it does not make a difference because I can trace you days later once the job is done
therefore yes it’s possible to track someone for his comments weeks after you placed your statement

[3Greens]

Use a TOR browser with VPN if you wish to remain anonymous...

[awair]

WB1900 is correct, even TOR doesn't help. You will be posting with a username, unless you signup with a new account every day.

Your posting content/history is what links you to your post. Some of the older threads are now locked, so your history can't even be 'sanitised'. Likewise, your handle is another clue, as most of us use similar names on different forums.

Anyway, I’m reasonably certain that it wasn't anything on Prune that ever got me in to trouble!

[Ericsmith]

well vpn is just a short term hide
I can trace you days later once the job is done

Challenge accepted! Prove it. Find out my identity and post it on this thread.

No, a VPN is safe and an anonymous account cannot be traced. Companies want you to think they know who you are, but they don't. Works in their favor.

To decrypt a VPN with AES 256 encryption (industry standard encryption - the logged packets you refer to, assuming the ISP has them):
World's fastest supercomputer: 27,337,893,038,​406,611,194,​430,009,974,​922,940,323,​611,0 67,429,​756,962,487 years.
All the PCs on earth combined: 13,668,946,​519,203,305,​597,215,004,​987,461,470,​161,805,5 33,​714,878,481 years

I dunno about you, but guessing you're probably retired by then.

[fatbus]

Thread drift !

[WB1900]

I agree I the point it’s impossible the way you mentioned but there is a but - you are referring to a brute force attack - which means you try to find the key by trying all possible keys
secondly the article you are referring compares computers based on FLOPs which means floating point operations per second which is the most useless way of targeting the problem
AES does not have floating pints in the calculation ist pure byte operation
while a floating point operation reserves an amount of bytes after the comma - which in this case is a waste of processing power. a specialized ALU (arithmetic logic unit - which probably have heard of in while reading of GPU ) has a large advantage on crytptography as it shift bytes parallel without having to spare space after the comma
nevertheless to say that an ISP or state internet surveillance unit does not go on brute force.
a hacker sniffing your network might have to, as he cannot record the whole conversation between a vpn server and your client
And even he could, he would need more calculation power than he possible can carry, to just decrypt the every single time changing handshake encryption of your vpn
and exactly there is the catch
the two vpn partner need to handshake and confirm the way the will encrypt in future, which implies they will exchange part of the keys to be on the same page
while the hacker will not have all required communication between two endpoint stored from a single catch, the ISP will, which tremendously reduces the effort of finding the encryption keys along the vpn
an ISP can store every single bit and byte a long way back which likely will allow him to catch the essentials to decrypt your Pakets in the long run. Usually you download a file from a vpn provider which gives you a certificate and other key information to uncover the protocol information during the handshake - this is the first piece of the puzzle.

the question is only is it worth to get the information of the individual

just a little one on the side if AES is impossible to hack the NSA would have given up a long time ago - but they didn’t and the reason is simple, they are able to collect all the bits an pieces to finally decrypt your data pack

but you are right in the point for you and me it is impossible because of the calculation power required to start a Brute force attack

[awair]

Ericsmith I think you are missing the point.

You (or your account) is new here, you haven't said anything 'controversial'. Simply, it's not worth the effort...

If you have 100s of posts, each one may provide part of a clue to your identity - to someone in your organisation.

A VPN helps you connect & secure a connection. It doesn't mask your identity on a bulletin board forever.

Hence this thread, Muted, have all been hunted down?

[WB1900]

well worth or not sits only with the attacker
nevertheless people have been silenced by the pure fear over being hunted down following their posts on social media
personal I believe that posting on Facebook is more trouble than pprune as anonymity also increases doubt over the source of information
but Certain companies are restless on increasing the fear on your own shadow
still I strongly believe if you want to hide on the internet first you need to understand the details of the the tools you use and secondly you actually can’t hide if in the same spot for a long time
It’s guaranteed that ME companies want spent more money on preserving their reputation than they want to spend in the motivation of employees so no bad comments are drifting out - and that’s a funny thing - in the long run paying of newspaper, social media, and other Organisations costs definitiv more than investing into motivation, but the devil on their shoulders tells them to frustrate, demotivate and spread fear in order to control you rather than making you having respect
managers down their must have small man Syndrom as they want to force you rather than making you do it

[LongLander]

One of the biggest mouths on here hasn't been active since June. Not sure exactly when he snuck out of EK but "f" was apparently just ahead of the boot up his arse due to the frequency of his anti-company posts on here and his shabby turnout on upgrade and in the Sim. Still, while not the sharpest tool, his redeeming feature was he called a spade a spade even if he did generally fire from the hip. Don, how's ya 'mate' doing back in The World?

Droop, they're in one of three categories:
Sacked and moved on
Cowed into submission by threat of the above/beaten by the ban
Grown out of it.

[Gordomac]

"Muted", "Fear", all a question of awareness and been around for as long as I care to. Early days of this site, I fell about at one poster replying to another said;" I think I know who you are & I think I know where you live " ! We then all know about the unmentionable. Still the case. Joining my outfit, I was told to watch what I said (always a blabber) in the pubs & clubs. Better to be one of the invisible crowd. Couldn't help it though and after one spat, said to a colleague in the supermarket ;" I'm in trouble, can you get me into the RF ?............could still here him laughing long after getting into my car.........

[Gordomac]

Mutters: Sobriety also required for reading. Peruse the previous posts & you might (not holding my breath) get the flavour as the discussion developed. As it is the season of goodwill, i'll try, just for you, to be less intellectual. Point is that, working in the ME requires one to be under radar rather than sticking your head up over the sand dunes. Voice criticism on media sites and criticising too pointedly elsewhere places you in the cross hairs for an early exit. Best to take the experience of the "unmentionables' and be "muted" and "afraid". Whole point of this thread.

[fatbus]

I recall an English guy about 17/18 years ago make a very casual off hand comment to a mate which was overheard by someone ( leave it a true that) , long story short , he was gone shortly after. Nice guy as well.