So what is the guess on EK living out allowance cuts

[Fired600]

The Borg is examining the hive, probing for weakness and looking for living out accommodation cuts/removal,
I hear Ace hardware have a sale on tents....

[allert]

Haven’t they already announced 15% cut starting from October... unless that was just the tip of the iceberg

[aeropix]

I think the OP is ruminating about whole categories of people getting "cut out" of the program, for example renters vs. buyers, as opposed to further cuts in the monetary value.

[White Knight]

And maybe you'll only get the allowance for the actual rent value?:sad:

[Besser]

My greatest fear would be being forced to move into the camps, with all what that contains of lifestyle change ect. I'm sure that most of those who have settled with the allowance, are happy where they live. I'm happy to have, and appreciate very much having a job under the current situation, but their is day after this pandemic where the marked returns. Many former colleges from other airlines are settling into other jobs or retires early. Pilot Academy's are struggling for students. A high demand of pilots to return worldwide would not be unlikely.
Being forced to the camps would definitely make me set sails when times changes.
I wouldn't on the other hand have nothing against being paid the exact amount for rent , dewa, water and gas up to a suitable level.

[aussiefarmer]

Habibi, the company is in a position where they can and they probably will force everyone - who didn't buy into the rotten real estate market - to the hundreds of empty villas and apartments the company has. Thousands of pilots are willing to take that huge Meydan villa that also comes with a flying job and an education for your kids. Personally, I'm surprised this didn't happen earlier.

Just my 2c.

[Juan Heych]

Absolutely spot on!
And I was one of many pocketing half of the allowance year after year that got sacked due to illness.
Idiots!

[Sparkly32]

Fired 600... Why are you still so interested?

[Juan Heych]

Fair question, and as each day goes by, I am slowly putting this place behind me.
But I do have some friends left in The Sand Pit, so I’m still curious. Maybe he is as well?

[BigBusDriver1]

Let's be honest...that is one of the biggest costs of EK. Cut the allowance of the guys who have had the opportunity to not be axed so others can stay. All should be required to move into company accommodation for the benefit of all who are left so no more colleagues will be culled.

[Fired600]

Fired 600... Why are you still so interested?

Sorry Sparkly, I didn’t realise that this was only a ‘current’ Emirates employee section, I mistakenly thought it was a ‘Rumour’ forum. As such past and FUTURE employees might be interested in the changing conditions.

I follow world issues despite only living in one country and read world news.....

[I love twins]

Fired 600... Why are you still so interested?

Misery loves company.

[Pif Paf]

If the Medan camps had been built as designed ie with a number of swimming pools, a number of gyms, green areas with playgrounds then maybe it would have been a more enticing offer. However with all the cut backs, which were being enforced before COVID ie deciding to only provide 1 pool between 1500 villas etc etc it’s hardly surprising nobody wants to go there!

interestingly if they remove living out allowance for pilot grades it would also include the similar managerial grades- so lots of pissed off managers in the Meydan camps too 😂!

[Jet II]

aussiefarmer

Totally agree - I'm extremely surprised that they are entertaining still allowing staff to rent from private landlords when they have company owned properties sitting empty. Perhaps some of the private landlords have more wasta and are worried about losing the income?.

[Kennytheking]

Sorry guys. Eliminating housing allowance will save some money for the company. It will not save a single job though. Stop cheerleading the slaughter of our T&C.

[allert]

Shouldn’t be mad about this. It’s the first thing that actually makes sense.

All renters need to go to MS. It’s a huge waste of money that could have been done earlier to save many jobs.

Idiot HR have been so focussed on punishing crew with a one-off 20k medical bill while overlooking the guys pocketing 192k/year on Accommodation.

They must have considered this a couple of years ago where new-joiners could not opt for the live out anymore, unless they bought a property. A move for renters to MS seems fairly likely now.... just a bit too late for everyone else.

Management car park was full last week, something must be brewing :rolleyes:

[donpizmeov]

Kennytheking

Looks like your point is missed by most But I think you are closer to the truth.

[Capn Rex Havoc]

I got Kenny's point Don.

[Fired600]

It’s a great shame they didn’t look at these options prior to getting rid of thousands of pilots and crew.

Many may have left of their own accord, they could have saved money and more importantly saved some jobs and allowed some people to leave through their own choice as opposed to being pushed.

Now it just looks like a cost saving measure as opposed to a job saving measure. I also got Kenny’s point, and in part its reason for the post.

[Kennytheking]

Sorry Fired600, I’m not quite sure we are in full agreement. Once people were determined to be surplus to requirements, no amount of cost saving or bailouts was ever going to save a single job.

[Fired600]

Kenny I agree, my point is wouldn’t it have been better to use these costs to save jobs rather than just to save costs. You are totally correct they don’t care and never have/will about the workers.

[Neektu]

If the Medan camps had been built as designed ie with a number of swimming pools, a number of gyms, green areas with playgrounds then maybe it would have been a more enticing offer. However with all the cut backs, which were being enforced before COVID ie deciding to only provide 1 pool between 1500 villas etc etc it’s hardly surprising nobody wants to go there!

interestingly if they remove living out allowance for pilot grades it would also include the similar managerial grades- so lots of pissed off managers in the Meydan camps too 😂!

One pool for 1500 villas? That’s outrageous😮

[cheerios]

Rumour has it they are also hunting down the ones that scammed their way into the housing allowance buying a property and then selling it immediately to another pilot so they could then rent. It is why they are asking for Title Deeds.

[donpizmeov]

Not true. Wasn't that long ago that you got the allowance to rent. So that's legit. Lack of trust and communication creates rumours.

[fatbus]

They are asking for title deals ! Not sure why

[Fuel-Off]

Not true. Wasn't that long ago that you got the allowance to rent. So that's legit. Lack of trust and communication creates rumours.

Not quite Don. The Company went from Housing Allowance for rent or own, then to only those who purchased property. There was a time a few years back that the same property in International City (or other similar happy location, thereof) got purchased then sold off to other pilots of the same new joiner course, just to avail of the allowance (by presenting a Title Deed) without the burden of needing to hold on to said purchased property.

[donpizmeov]

The conversion course must be too easy if they have enough time to do that. Also remember that new joiners had the option of renting while those already in the company didn't. Lots of new joiners were opting to rent, while those already employed had to buy a house to move out company accommodation. It wasn't fair, but those were the rules.

There is no rule that states you can't sell your property and then rent. So still think this conspiracy theory is flawed.

[cheerios]

You are correct Don, the company probably couldn't win a fraud case in court against these individuals, however, they were very clear that when the allowance was being offered, it was for end-user purchasers only (not for renting). It was the ultimate reason I decided not to opt out.

It seems to me that the individuals would have been well aware that they were gaming the company and knew it was against the spirit of the agreement..

[halas]

When we were kicked out of B & D division at HMP Semmer, three years ago, the allowance was one of the options. No questions re buying or renting.

[donpizmeov]

I think one of the problems halas is that there is no corporate memory left in EK. Lots of people have taken that allowance to rent. It was only a recent change (relatively) that required a property purchase. But that's how all these rumours start I guess.

It's also interesting how those that aren't actually involved seem to be experts. The new world order I suppose. I hope this works out well for those caught up in it. The extra pressure this causes isn't really needed now.

[aussiefarmer]

aussiefarmer

By the way, it’s official.

[Mister Warning]

Could you please elaborate, Aussie?

[halas]

Those of us living out and renting (at least AFAIK) got the email to say parole has been revoked.

Go straight to gaol (Meydan "community"). Do not pass Go (renew your lease). Do not collect $200 (Live out balance).

[Fired600]

Will it be though? I doubt it, there is nowhere for them to go and the company knows it.

[wantabe]

But for how long?

[DCS99]

halas

Is this true? So many friends have left, I'm struggling to get it confirmed

[Fired600]

It is, though not seen full details as of yet.

[Pif Paf]

So does scottish SVP live in meydan?
- will he have to move too?
Does CPB liv R in meydan?
- will he have to move too,,
why are only pilots being told to move not anyone else ( not docs, dentists, engineers etc)?
why do accommodation dept know little or nothing about this “survey”

[WB1900]

docs, dentist , engineers are living in medyan
you may won’t see them there as some of them lost their jobs too

[hulabaloome2]

So what is the latest situation on accommodation allowance, for someone who is currently taking the allowance and renting, is it possible to buy a property now and still receive the allowance rather than be forced to move to Medan ?

thanks for any advice

[Murrenfan]

From what I've been told new requests of living out allowance has been stopped under any circumstances. If you're currently receiving it the only way to keep it is by having a title deed and dewa both under your name and on the same property.

[Pif Paf]

WB1900

I probably wasn’t clear enough, what I meant was the “survey” was targeted at Pilots getting the utility allowance. It was not sent out to anyone else getting the utility allowance, to the best of my knowledge ie not to Doctors, Dentists, Engineers etc etc.
It seems to be being pushed by Fleet - the Scottish bloke; unless anyone knows differently?

[WB1900]

the only persons seen as ungainfully employeed are flight crew and it looks like somebody wants the cattle in the barn

[WB1900]

Allowance is already adjusted on the career website
the original what we know -15% - I would say that’s a good indicator on how much of it will come back in the long run

[hulabaloome2]

Has anyone who has been renting who’s tenancy is up for renewal actually been told to move to Meydan South as yet..... I’m dreading it if that’s the case

[WB1900]

What I heard is that if your contract is expiring you won’t get the allowance and you need to move into company accom - not confirmed by knowing somebody

[Craggenmore]

hulabaloome2

I've a couple of friends who are moving back to company accommodation as a result of coming to the end of their tenancy.

It's happening.

[halas]

My lease expires in a few months.

Got the email last week.

220 in MS and about 130 in MH to choose from.

[DCS99]

How does the company know the details of a rental agreement between you and a private landlord?
I assume Ejari registration?

[halas]

Hardly clandestine. Compulsory survey to have been submitted by end of November.

For those renting, Lease agreement and Ejari registration must be attached.

End of survey.