B.E.A. Red square colour scheme

[The AvgasDinosaur]

Learned contributors,
How many and which BAC 1-11 series 510s flew in BEA red square scheme ?
Did any Trident 2s actually fly in red square scheme ?
Thanks in anticipation, pictures appreciated.
Be lucky
David

[Big Eric]

The following Trident 2s flew in the BEA scheme :- G-AVFA, B, C, D, E, F, G, H.
These BAC 111s also flew in the BEA scheme :- G-AVMH, I, J, K,

There's plenty of photos to be found by a quick search on Google, just search by the registration letters and you will find them. Also https://www.airliners.net/ is very useful if you use their search facility (by registration letters).

Have fun and stay safe.

Eck

[tubby linton]

A number of super 1-11 didn’t have a logo for IGS services on behalf of Air France in Berlin.

[ATNotts]

A number of super 1-11 didn’t have a logo for IGS services on behalf of Air France in Berlin.

I think it was most of the G-AVM. fleet of 1-11-510s that have the dark blue tail with "Super One-eleven" printed across it. They really looked pretty bland, and I can never recall having see one with the "red square" tail logo at BHX or LHR. I am surprised there were as many as 4. I recall logging all the the fleet in my spotting days, save for 'MR which alluded me.

[SWBKCB]

I think it was most of the G-AVM. fleet of 1-11-510s that have the dark blue tail with "Super One-eleven" printed across it. They really looked pretty bland, and I can never recall having see one with the "red square" tail logo at BHX or LHR. I am surprised there were as many as 4. I recall logging all the the fleet in my spotting days, save for 'MR which alluded me.

All of the G-AVM.. 1-11's had the blue "Super One-Eleven" scheme for Berlin operations.

[DaveReidUK]

The following Trident 2s flew in the BEA scheme :- G-AVFA, B, C, D, E, F, G, H.

Yes, IIRC the first public unveiling of the then new BEA "Speedjack" scheme was when G-AVFI was displayed, fresh from the factory, at the 1968 Farnborough show.

[GAXLN]

Sadly, the person responsible for designing the BEA red square livery has recently died.

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/local-hubs/shrewsbury/2020/07/08/shrewsburys-mary-remembered-for-remarkable-life/

I do hope she was aware that BA had painted an Airbus A319 into BEA red square colours even if the wings could not be replicated exactly as they were in the 1960’s.

[wub]

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1500x764/eupj_4fd486edb84b6481b9b04409d9472a24595acf94.jpg
Great colour scheme

[SpringHeeledJack]

Beautiful shot wub, very nice!

[wub]

Beautiful shot wub, very nice!

Thank you!

[777fly]

Nearly as good as this one.......
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1334x750/e0242ab7_656d_40b9_8f15_8ad1e1a0c144_fbf31c72ce90b1b8812c550 86c076498085976d8.jpeg

[DaveReidUK]

Who needs autofocus when you have Autoland? :O

[c52]

How many of us had huge posters of the Trident 1 from BEA on our bedroom or classroom walls in the days around their introduction?

[DaveReidUK]

How many of us had huge posters of the Trident 1 from BEA on our bedroom or classroom walls in the days around their introduction?

Not me (it was in my little brother's bedroom :O).

But I did help him to iron out the creases in it ...


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/264x191/trident_poster_47e3d5fdae91304fc761a426fae7a54f497e7ee4.jpg

[ZFT]

How many of us had huge posters of the Trident 1 from BEA on our bedroom or classroom walls in the days around their introduction?

Not a poster but BEA issued the largest on board postcard of the Trident 1 that i have in my collection

[Less Hair]

What exactly were those red colored wing upper surfaces meant to be good for? Better recognize ice building up? "High contrast" color when ditched? Marking some emergency passenger overwing evacuation area? Looks?

[DaveReidUK]

What exactly were those red colored wing upper surfaces meant to be good for? Better recognize ice building up? "High contrast" color when ditched? Marking some emergency passenger overwing evacuation area? Looks?

The last of the above.

[c52]

I strongly preferred the other side of the poster where it was flying.

[blind pew]

Had a professor bloke from oxbridge come up front ex Nicosia and explained how much fuel we could save if the peeling red wing paint was touched up...of course we knew it and Cyprus Airways often went direct in summer when we had to lob into Frankfurt, Stuttgart or Munich..they had cypriots polishing the wings at night.
We didn't mind if it meant a German lunch allowance.
30 years on and I braved BA to Dubai..red tail cone looked asthough a blind man had sprayed it without etch primer and using a dirty brush..now there's a picture for you all. How much fuel the dent the senior first officer found on his walk around is another question.
His landing was as I expected.
Fred Carno circus and proud of it.

[pax britanica]

Didnt the red wings come about as a hi-viz measure after a tragic mid air somewhere in Turkey or Yugoslavia, have a vague memory it was something to with that .

I always loved the Trident but seeing its much later successor the A320 I am left to wonder how many minibuses you would need to make the same noise as one Trident ??

[DaveReidUK]

Didn't the red wings come about as a hi-viz measure after a tragic mid air somewhere in Turkey or Yugoslavia, have a vague memory it was something to with that.

A BEA Viscount had a mid-air collision with an Italian AF F-86 in 1958, a year or so before the "Red square" scheme was adopted.

I'm not aware of any link between the two events.

[jaytee54]

When did the "red square" scheme change? Or did it?
Was the shiny metal lower half at some time changed to a pale grey paint scheme? (like FB in Duxford museum)
If so, when, and why?

[Groundloop]

Didnt the red wings come about as a hi-viz measure after a tragic mid air somewhere in Turkey or Yugoslavia, have a vague memory it was something to with that .


The Zagreb collision occured in 1976, red wings appeared in 1959.

[DaveReidUK]

When did the "red square" scheme change? Or did it?

It changed fairly early on (not sure of the exact date) in that the red square on the fin/rudder was made considerably bigger::

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/285x189/bea_small_red_square_53a72eaac4c2174199277765f19f6a54773c400 7.jpg

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/299x168/bea_large_red_square_25285659c26f94b13ef8fc70e5e7872b09d7d90 2.jpg

[Albert Hall]

I always thought the red wings were introduced after the Munich / Manchester United accident to improve pilots' ability to spot surface contamination. I can't remember where I'd read or heard this, but the timing of their introduction in 1959 stated above ties in with the aftermath of the Munich Elizabethan accident in 1958. Could be purely coincidental - and the Viscount / F86 mid-air collision in Italy was later in 1958 as well.

[blind pew]

On a side note around 20 years ago the GSA...(UK military gliding association) did a trial with two crews and two aircraft one of which had dayglow orange anti collision markings no doubt brought on by the requirement for gliders rock polishing in the french alps. The test under radar showed very little difference and iirc favoured the non marked up aircraft being viewed earlier. The crews were interchanged between aircraft.
It was suggested that the eye/brain recognises danger by shape and by breaking up the shape with colour flashes was a form of camouflage hence the derogatory effect.
The french subsequently brought in the requirement for flarm.

[dixi188]

Thread drift.
Back in about 1981 at BCAL Gatwick, the BAC1-11s were getting the wingtips hit by Transit vans quite regularly, so it was decided to paint the wingtips dayglo orange.
The first such painted aircraft left the hangar on a Friday. I came to work on the following Monday to see that aircraft in the hangar having a wingtip changed due to Transit van damage.
It seemed that now bright dayglo, the wingtip could not be missed.

[treadigraph]

Dixi, I'd forgotten about those! Why just Cale and not Dan-Dare or Laker?

Think the Vanguard looked great in the BEA schemes...

[Downwind_Left]

Distinctly remember BA BAC1-11s having fluorescent markings on the wingtips in the Landor livery. Stuck in my mind as always thought it looked unusual.

G-AVMR

[condor17]

Dixi , despite the hi viz wing tips ..I seem to remember one of our S-111s taking the cab off a JCB at GLA ... Guessing the JCB was yellow ..

rgds condor .

[The AvgasDinosaur]

Has anyone ever found an artists impression of a Fairey Rotordyne in BEA red square livery in colour ? I’ve found a couple in black and white.
Thanks

[DaveReidUK]

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x451/bea_fairey_rotodyne_906d71033e6543380e8539084a1bf8732d770752 .jpg

http://www.redbackaviation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/fairey-rotodyne-gyrodyne-layout.jpg